Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15057158)

As long as he never dips to 2018 levels again we'll be fine.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15056742)

Thanks to reputable reporting, I do have some idea. It’s not ironclad but I rely on reputable reporting to give me some idea of what’s coming down the pipeline.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15056742)

You do the same — you cited reporting that the Raiders offered the most to Clowney. (By the way, the reputable reporting I’ve read disputes that and cites Cleveland as the highest bidder, and that teams as of now have largely rescinded their offers as they’ve grown tired of Clowney’s intransigence.)

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15056742)

Just throwing out a name that could be an equitable player ina player-for-player trade. Sub another name in as you please.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15056742)

There has been some ballyhooing since Spags arrival that Jones is an imperfect fit in the scheme. I agree that he is, but he’s so damn talented it doesn’t matter, which is why I’d pay him.

But we know Spags is a stickler for what players on his DL should look and how they should play. And if he thinks $20m could be better spent on a player that “fits” versus a player that imperfectly fits, who knows.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15056742)

Any deal the Chiefs ostensibly sign Clowney to would be a one-year, in my mind. I could go on but I’d only reiterate what Duncan has said throughout the thread.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15057158)

As long as he never dips to 2018 levels again we'll be fine.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 15057167)

Jury is still out on 2018. 1st round used to get Mahomes in 2017. Speaks still has a chance. Nandi is a keeper. Watts is not horrible.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15057320)

The jury came back after the AFCCG.

The Chiefs failed to add a single difference maker on defense, and the rookie class was so bad that year Andrew Wylie, who wasn’t even drafted, won the team’s rookie of the year.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15057158)

As long as he never dips to 2018 levels again we'll be fine.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15057029)

His cap hits were $3.6 million in 2018 and $5.28 million last season. That’s cheap.

You guys need to seriously look at contracts on a year-to-year basis instead of the overall contract.

This is the first year he’s making big money and he can be a post June cut next year with only $8 million total dead money. Not great but you guys are acting like this is Justin Houston or Eric Berry contracts

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15056847)

If Clowney needs $15 million on a one-year deal, it doesn’t work.

But they can find a way to make $10-12 million work if the Jones extension is set up to lower his year 1 cap hit. That could get them to around $14M under the cap.

I’d spend money on Clowney (or Everson Griffen, or Logan Ryan) because it makes the defense better.

Clowney and Griffen would immediately be the second best DE on the team. And major upgrades.

Harris, Danna, and Ward are not factors yet. You’re talking about a round 5 guy and a couple of street FAs.

Taco Charlton is just a Hail Mary signing. Speaks and Kpass are depth. Okafor would probably be another casualty to find the rest of the money, as I think they save $4 million if he’s cut.

It’s mostly a thought exercise. Suggs helped the defense a lot, and I’m not confident they have a second DE on the roster that can give them what he did.

When your GM is as aggressive as Brett Veach, it is fun - and makes some sense - to look at aggressive moves that are at least quasi possible.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15057344)

Tanoh started and played most of the Super Bowl. That seems to be more than "depth."

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15057220)

Take a look at the 2018 draft overall and you'll see that it wasn't a year that was particularly loaded.

It's certainly not like the 2017 draft in which Dorsey could have taken JuJu or Kamara over Tanoh or George Kittle and Desmond King over Jehu Chesson.

Some years are just better than others for overall talent.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15057352)

2018 isn't the greatest draft in Chiefs history, but even then time has shown that it wasn't the worst, either.

Derrick Nnadi is a pretty damn good player. He's started every single game as a pro, and he earned all of those starts by winning the job under two entirely different coaching staffs. Daly and Spags didn't owe Nnadi jack shit in 2019-- he had to earn that starting spot at NT, which he did.

We got a starter out of the draft, and we're going to get 4 complete seasons of cheap yet solid play out of him. No redshirt years.

You usually hope to get more out of that in any particular draft, and while it's true that Speaks, Watts, and O'Daniel could all get cut this offseason, it's more likely we'll get 2 of them to stick around and at least provide some depth (not sure about O'Daniel at this point).

In any case, it sure beats Pioli's first draft as GM.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15057365)

I'll actually be a bit shocked if Speaks doesn't break out a bit. He's legit playing for his career now and from what I've seen is in the best shape since joining the Chiefs.