They have talked about it a lot and I will admit it’s not quantifiable for any of us but Clark is the engine this thing is built around. Not just skill set but mentality and attitude.

I don’t think they see that in Clowney

Thankfully Clark is gonna put up a Khalil Mack type year and no one will car

I agree.

**** I'd almost go after Clowney right now if I was the chiefs. Pass rush might help mask the CBs.

Then don't read it you mopey ****ing ****.

Its Chiefs discussion on a Chiefs board related to a player heavily involved in trade talks and how he contrasts with our biggest offseason acquisition.

If you have a problem with this content being under that thread title you're welcome to taste me.

WE care, PGM.

We care.

Let the debate continue!

I thought about it

But apparently I’m to trade hapoy

Also, where’s my ****ing money? I’m gonna come **** up your other hand!

Lol

O has had a Clownety boner for years now

ROFL still in my pocket.

I've got appointments tomorrow north and then headed farther north after that.


I'll keep it safe for you though:evil:

Hey maybe I'll go for a cruise Monday and come see you. Surely the meat place will be open on labor day, right? I could pick up some steaks and brats while I'm down...

I forgot to add Clark also has almost twice the amount of turnovers (FF’s/INT’s) as well.

But we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t think the difference in run defense is any bigger than the difference in pass rush. At the very least, it’s close enough to go with the better pass rusher.

I mean at the end of the day Clowney hasn’t reached double digit sacks. That’s concerning when you’re talking elite pass rusher money combined with the injury concerns.

I wonder what kind of $ Clowney wants.

He fired his agent, so maybe that was because he was unrealistic.

I’d gladly flip em KPass, Okafor, Hyde and a conditional pick for Clowney.

Clowney
Nnadi
Jones
Clark

That’s pressure all day without blitzing.

They should be but they closed the one on the east side and the original one is over on west battlefield. Pissed me off

:facepalm:

Henne for Clowney

This place has gone full simple Jack...wow

Are you sure you're not an NFL GM?

at the very least he'd be a good rental player

You think??

What’s the trade, if it’s us?

A 2nd?
3rd + a fringe Olineman to keep Deshaun safe?

You’re right. Better keep Kpass and offer Cam Erving instead.

If we're planning on paying Tyreek and Jones how in the hell would we afford Clowney?

We can't, which is why the whole talk about is dumb as ****

I’m still of the opinion that in 4 years, every single deal signed this year will be a massive bargain. The new CBA is going to bring a huge amount of new $ into the pool.

Gambling $
Possible expansion
Entering the LA and Vegas markets
18 game schedule

For reference, look at deals signed 4 years ago as opposed to now...then add in the multipliers I mentioned.

Guys like Clowney and Jones will be getting over 30m per year averages 4 years from now.

The cap isn’t even 200m right now. There’s talk about it hitting 300m in 4-5 years. Maybe more.

I’d much rather target an elite corner than another DL, though...even though I’m a big fan of Clowneys.

More like mindless drivel from idiot douche no-nothing wankers like you. :doh!:

Clark was such a better acquisition.but this board likes bitching we didn't get a guy they got in their Madden off season, so here we are.

Coming from the guy who brings NO Chiefs discussion to this board. Your posts consist of hookers and gay days with eDave.

"know"

Go fist an escort or something. You'll have to pay extra for that but it's still cheaper than buyin' em dinner, amiright?

Infinitely better.

LMAO

I don't really mind the Clark trade. The best thing to do for the long term would have clearly been to take a free agent like Trey Flowers, get a little less production but keep the 1st round pick, but it's not like the Clark trade was bad business, just not maximum efficiency.

I don't think anyone can argue that Clark can be better than Flowers, Byron Murphy plus the 64th pick in the 2020 draft.

Like I said - there's a clear path to this being a HR trade for Veach. Yes, if Clark gives us 14 sacks, steady pressures and good run defense and is critical in a run to the Super Bowl, it's hard to say I'd rather have Flowers and the pick because even if that's better long-term, the SB appearance would wash away any sins.

I'm just saying this wasn't the only way to go and as such, the desire to grade Veach on a curve here is strange to me. This is a BIG TIME decision he made. Over the recent history of this franchise, this is probably the 2nd most 'capital' committed to the acquisition/retention of a single player. It's the financial outlay to Houston combined with draft capital that we didn't have to give for Houston. It's more than the financial outlay and draft capital for Cassel. Am I missing a time the team has committed this kind of money and draft picks to a single player?

Apart from Patrick Mahomes and his career arc here, has there been a bigger swing and a bigger commitment made by this franchise for a player since...****...Derrick Thomas?

Frank Clark isn't just a quaint novelty we've added to this team and as such Veach shouldn't be graded as such. This trade needs to be viewed as it is - one of the 5-10 most important decisions made by this squad in maybe 50 years. When you look at the draft capital and financial commitment, I struggle to find much else on par with it.

He needs to be !@#$ing great for this trade to truly be an 'A' trade. A slightly better Trey Flowers cannot be seen as a success. He needs to have the impact Justin Houston had on this team at his peak.

you are a "NO-nothing" which is vastly less than a "Know-nothing". ROFL

Good idea, I think I'll give your Mom a call and see if she is still charging $50 an hour, fisting included. :rolleyes:

Burn?

I guess the distinction is that you don't know my mother. I know you pay women to **** you.

Carry on, sweetheart.

In a sense, we all pay women to **** us.

would you burn your hand on the radiator or engine block

One way or the other.

?

It's usually the exhaust that gets you

Mine pays me...

During the entire Carl Peterson era, the franchise had teeny, tiny balls.

Did KC overpay for Frank Clark? Maybe, but it's not my money so I don't care. I'm just happy to FINALLY have a GM with some balls, even when he makes mistakes.

THE TRADE WINDS ARE BLOWING!

(nothing happens)

Colts traded CB Nate Hairston to the Jets for a conditional 2020 6th rd pick.

Jets have 2 6th rounders next year, one from the Chiefs in the Darron Lee trade. Colts will get the lower of those 2 picks. Physical still pending.

Ran a 4.52 as a prospect.......... probably no better than our 5-6-7 right now

I'm sort of playing the hindsight game, because I know in retrospect both Greedy and Murphy were available at 29, but I think Flowers and Murphy together increases the chance of a SB appearance more than Clark on his own.

Maybe the Chiefs would have taken Thornhill in the 1st if they had the pick still, and then picked some garbage long term DE project in the 2nd with the Thornhill pick, in which case I guess I'll take Clark.

The unknown here is what did Andy/Spags say they needed. It may well be that as far as roster talent you are correct.

I wasn't a huge fan of the Clark trade, but in hindsight I don't trust Veach so far to draft well so I guess a veteran trade isn't so bad.

This last draft was aces what are you talking about

Kcchiefsus seal of approval folks. Trade officially ace.

The trading up for Speaks...

This draft looks pretty good when you look at what the picks brought.

Frank Clark
Mecole Hardman
Juan Thornhill
Khalen Saunders
Rashad Fenton
Darwin Thompson
Nick Allegreti

That’s a haul

I’m confident that we have 4 almost immediate key contributors from that group: Clark (obviously), Hardman, Thornhill, Thompson

I think we probably have 2 guys that can be decent back-ups and potentially solid future starters: Saunders, Allegretti

That really just leaves Fenton as the question mark. I guess if he can be a good special teams player, then that makes him worth the pick.

Yeah I'm not referring to the first draft which is notoriously dogshit for all GMs including Dorsey. I hated that draft as much as I loved the latest one.

I actually have an idea about a potential trade that would make some sense, I think, not my normal "throw out outrageous shit" type stuff.

But if the Dolphins are having a fire sale and everyone is for trade, would you see if they'd take a 4th for Gesicki?

I mean, he could come in and learn behind Kelce

Dorsey's first draft was at worst decent. He made the right pick in Fisher, did not have a 2nd round pick and then hit a homerun with Kelce.

The problem with this fanbase is they think every 1st and 2nd round pick should become a grear player and right from the start. The reality is tons players draftes high never amount to much and the Chiefs have been exceptionally grata with high draft picks over the last few years.

You want a stupid trade that will never happen?

Call the Vikings about Mike Boone.

I think that kid can run the damn ball. He's fast, he's powerful, he has solid vision. That's a ballplayer and if you can swing a trade that makes your backfield Damien, Boone, Thompson and...who gives a ****...do that. Because I think Boone can absolutely be an every down back in this league.

I like Darrel. I think he's fine.

Boone may be better, but it's a RB so i'm inclined to not really care.

But looking around at CB"s, man, there just isn't a whole hell of a lot out there right now. I don't think I'd really do much in terms of trading around. Maybe a Ward type thing again but you've got Fields and Fenton in that role right now, so whats the point.

If Peterson wasn't suspended for those 6 and they'd take less than a first, I'd probably do that though.

If they'd take a 3rd I'd do it anyway. It would reduce the cap hit and still have him available for the playoffs when we'd most benefit from him.

But they wouldn't.

See, I just don't understand why they wouldn't. They're gonna suck, they could use more picks.

Would you do a 2nd?

Probably not. But I'd let them see what kind of pick swap and/or later round return they'd be willing to throw in to change their mind.

Do we have a 4 this year? I think so - would I give our 2nd and 4th for Peterson and their 3rd? Yeah. It's likely to be a pretty high 3rd so there's some value there. The value in swapping a late 4th for an early 3rd is essentially the cost of a late 3rd so would I give up a late 2 for Peterson and a late 3?

Yeah. But really, I'm not sure they've gained anything there. That jump from the late 4th into the early 3rd is pretty substantial - they might be better served keeping their own 3rd and taking ours rather than taking our 2nd and moving down into the 4th.

If they countered with a pick swap in the 3rd I'd probably be out there since I have no way of knowing just how badly they'll suck. But again, I wouldn't slam the door - there'd be some room to operate.

It just makes a lot of sense, trading for him that is for this current Chiefs squad.

They need some help out there, he's at the back end of being a legit guy and he needs outta there.

What did we get for Tony? A 2nd?

That's probably what I'd reluctantly do, especially if they'd kick back something.

Javier Arenas...great trade

Before I went to HVAC, and while I was in my early twenties, I was a Honda tech despite being a Ford/Subaru enthusiast.

Do you want to know why I opted not to work at Subaru? Ever done an oil change on a boxer with a hot engine? Whoever decided to put the filter there is a ****, as is the guy that opted not to give one extra inch of clearance between the plugs/coils and the frame. I've built 3 Subarus- a 97 RS, 02 WRX (STI swapped), and my current STI swapped 04 Forester, but I'll be damned if I'd make a career out of those things. ROFL

We'll see. So far Andy/BV can't draft secondary for manure. Just saying:shrug:

:LOL:

I'd pump the breaks on Saunders this season.The kid needs to lose weight and learn better technique. Khalen got caught on skates in the run game,and washed out more than anyone would prefer.

His passrush wasn't eye popping either

In one of his first games in preseason after coming from a small school?

Tell me more.

I miss Dontari Poe.

Me too.

Bob ran him into the ground.

Veach in my book has one appalling draft mistake, and that's Breeland Speaks.

Everything else has been fine when compared to the draft records of other GMs

He looked average, when Chris Jones came up his talent was quite obvious.


Wait and see

Clowney to Miami for Parker?

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LMAO

It’s going to take a hell of a lot more than just Parker

Eagles would be such a good fit for Clowney. They can do it too

Let’s hope they don’t cause that team is already ****ing stacked.

Speaks and O’Daniel we’re two of his first three picks as a GM.

this was a lot to do about nothing.

Send him to the Seahawks or something.

Their secondary is VERY vulnerable imo and the rb's aren't exactly top class either.

DOD was a very late 3rd rounder. Essentially a 4th. If he’s a bust, it’s really not a big deal and certainly not “appalling”.

They’d say the same thing about us. Still a very dangerous team if Wentz is right.

Their best corner is out for most of the year and who exactly are the rest of the secondary guys? Old Jenkins and who? At least we've got HoneyBadger, Breeland and Thornhill with Mo to return as well. I honestly think we've got a better secondary than them. And offensively we all know who wins that battle :D .