LMAO There are so many head scratching ideas in this contradictory pair of sentences that it deserves it own post for dismantling.

Alright, so:

1a. The reporting on the contract situation surrounding Mahomes has no bearing on the contract situation surrounding Chris Jones.

1b. You seem to be implying there was no reputable reporting surrounding the Mahomes contract situation? NFLN reported the negotiations would begin after the draft (they did). The KC Star reported the talks had begun in earnest in May (they had). There was plenty of reporting, though none of it to my knowledge hit the incredible contract extension on the head. But, so it goes with highly sensitive negotiations behind closed doors.

1c. You seem to be implying that because there was no reputable reporting on the Mahomes contract ahead of time (there was), that we can't take a lack of Jones contract reporting too seriously. But even the best reporting isn't ironclad; it's intended to be used as a signpost for news followers to use in their own educated guesses.

1d. You know all of this! You literally cited reporting in this very thread on Clowney's contract offers from teams to help you draw conclusions about Clowney's future. Which is what normal humans do.

2a. There has been reporting on Jones. NFLN has reported the Chiefs have talked to him about contracts. NFLN and other sources have repeatedly reported that he has received no contract offers from us at any time. Louis Reddick said a couple days back that they're talking to Jones now. There has been some reporting that Covid19 kept us from making any negotiations with him -- which is reporting I don't buy, by the way (just to show that I don't take reporting mindlessly at face value).

2b. How do you know "there's nothing to report"? You literally told me we have no idea what's going on. There could be tons to report.

2c. You're of course saying there's nothing to report because you believe the reporting that we've seen (that you're now saying doesn't exist?): talks have been minimal, no contracts (at the very least prior to Pat's deal) have been offered. Jones is demanding $20m+ and the Chiefs probably want to keep him but they're struggling to square that circle.

2d. If you're arguing there's been nothing to report on Jones anyway, then you're agreeing with the initial premise I started with (that you had disagreed with) that there had been inaction with the Chiefs and Jones.

I think in your rush to keep hope alive and/or throw shade at me may have gotten your ideas all jumbled up, because these two sentences don't make a lot of logical sense, and they are factually incorrect.

Also, for the record, we gotta say Dorsey, so far, has been the far superior drafter to Veach. Veach's track record is smaller, but he did have the disastrous 2018 draft. And it's doubtful, due to Dorsey's incredible 2017 draft, that Veach can overtake him.

That's not throwing shade at Veach, by the way. There are few GMs that have had a hotter five years than the 2013-2017 drafts Dorsey trotted out. Those drafts are, by far, the biggest reason of several as to why we just won a Super Bowl.

Every one of Dorsey's first picks became Pro Bowlers and some of them became All Pros. Just for absolute starters. And while Veach rooted for it to happen, Dorsey was the trigger man on the trade up for Mahomes.

Respect where it's due. The guy was incredible in the draft. I'm actually pretty stunned he's not a GM right now, which may speak to how maddening he might be to work with.

He doesn't have a job because he sounds like a massive **** to work for and lacks pretty much every skill that's needed to be a GM outside of being an excellent scout and acquiring talent. He'd be an excellent second fiddle to a top tier HC but his ego won't let that happen and he proved in Cleveland left to his own devices things don't exactly go smoothly.

You're out of your freaking mind

JFC, this is a ridiculous post.

First off, the Chiefs didn't reveal anything about Mahomes deal. Sure, there were people speculating that a deal would get done (Duh!) but there was no concrete evidence of anything until the deal was announced.

Clowney has refused every offer to date, whether it's a $12 million dollar base salary from the Browns to the Seahawks offer of more than $17 million so there is very, very little chance that Clowney would sign with the Chiefs or any other team for $10 million, even if it's just for one season.

It was reported in the past week that the Chiefs have had NO discussions with Jones or his agent. So anything that you put out there is pure speculation, with none of it based in reality.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-rumors-...022408397.html

From June 8th:

The three-time Pro Bowl selection has turned down multiple free-agent contract offers worth at least $15 million per year this season, Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio reported Monday.

"My understanding is the Seahawks have been in the range of $15 million on a one-year deal for Jadeveon Clowney," Florio said on 106.7 The Fan's Chad Dukes vs. The World (h/t 247Sports.com). "The Seahawks have been led to believe that the Browns offered 18 (million), and he has yet to take that."

As far as getting Mahomes here, that was a joint effort spearheaded by Veach and Steinberg.

Dorsey never met with Mahomes, nor did he meet with the Mahomes family, nor did he ever visit Texas Tech nor did he ever met with Kliff Kingsbury.

Dorsey couldn't manage the salary cap and his drafts were average at the very best and awful at worst.

There are only three players left from the 2015 draft and two players (Kpassognon and Mahomes) left from the 2017 draft.

The fact that Dorsey is currently unemployed should tell you everything you need to know. The myth that Dorsey was the draft guru has been debunked many times over at this point.

Everybody always forgets Veach’s best move in 2018. Getting Charvarious Ward for a broken down Parker Ehinger was a huge steal. He’s not even getting $1 million a season.

Chris Harris Jr even said last week that he thinks Ward is one of the better young corners in the game.

Need more time. Speaks is Veach’s Eric Fisher, and Veach didn’t benefit from picking 1st overall, even in a weak class.

The 2019 draft is right there with 2017. In a redraft, there is no way in hell GM’s wouldn’t take Hardman and Thornhill in the first rd. Those 2 guys will be multi year pro bowlers. Saunders has also been great too.
Note-Veach swindled the Rams for Peters. That 2nd he got from them netted us Thornhill.

In terms of FA, it isn’t even close. Dorsey got an amazing FA in Schwartz, but Veach got Sammy, Landlord and then traded for Clark proving everybody wrong.

Coaching is the major factor here. Spags and his staff did such an excellent job with personnel and coaching. That truly put us over the top.

Veach also traded Eric Murray for Emmanuel Ogbah, who excelled before his injury and by letting him walk in Free Agency, helped the Chiefs with 2021 draft compensation and their Comp Pick formula.

Pretty sure that was pushed to Reid by Veach, from Reid up to Hunt mandated down to Dorsey, since Dorsey got the boot a few days later. Speculating, but I think Reid got his request up to Hunt.

Gotta remember that vindictive shit Dorsey pulled with Maclin getting cut by VM, seemingly to poke Reid in the eye to remind him who the GM was.

:facepalm:

You're a ****ing dipshit, Voyager. JFC. Just as I said earlier in this thread:

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/...-franchise-tag

Appearing on the network's flagship “SportsCenter” telecast on Saturday, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler said that the Kansas City Chiefs are talking with their defensive tackle Chris Jones.

“I’m told the Chiefs and Jones have begun talking,” said Fowler, “which is a big victory because it’s been quiet for months on that front; they’ve really had no communication. They’ve at least started negotiating. The Chiefs got the Patrick Mahomes deal done. They’d like to move on to Jones, who is considered a top-three defensive tackle, but that’s going to cost them well over $20 million. It’s just unclear how far they’re willing to go at this point, but they want to keep one of their best players.”

Am... I missing something here?

This is what I said in the OP.

To which you reply.

I respond:

Then you post reputable reporting that there's been relative inaction regarding Chris Jones for months leading up to the Mahomes deal, and say:

LMAO

I mean, what the hell. What am I missing.