David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes"
 

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year.



The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday.

I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback.

Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1).

Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses.

I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses.

It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters.


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This is what we need.

Now that Alex is shitting the bed the media pressure is coming.

It's only a matter of time, boys.

it's funny hearing interviews of Reid.
he know knows Alex sucks; and he knows that the fans know that he knows that he sucks. LMAO

he's normally a cliche machine anyway, but hearing him stutter all over his words when asked about his QB, was/is hilarious to listen to.

If there is one thing they need to realize when they make the switch....it's this.

Once you put in Mahomes....there is no going back. I don't care if he throws 3 INTs. Do not put him in there....just to pull him out during the next game.

Interesting that he calls out a former teammates weaknesses. Usually guys are more protective than that.

I hope the media pressure stays constant. We just need Alex to shit himself again vs Buffalo.

He wont. he will play just 'good enough' to keep his job. He always does...

235 yards passing, 2 TDs

I don't think it will happen. I think we'll get the usual steady Alex against the Bills.

But if it does happen....and Reid doesn't bench him. Then Reid can be gone with Alex as far as I'm concerned.

Yup. Reid knows this. There's no going back. That's why im not mad that he hasn't made the switch.

....'nuff rope to hang himself with. (He's white, so **** off SJW's)

Had Alex not had the start that he did, he'd be benched by now. Alex bought himself more time with that start.

2 TDs? ROFLROFLROFLROFL

I trust David Carr to know when a QB has been ruined in the pocket and is done.

The team which scores the most points usually wins the game

Horrible idea man

Dude....I don't want Reid gone but at some point.....this shit becomes an issue. Four ****ing years of watching the same ****ing shit QB being trotted out there...and it reflects badly on the HC.

Patience young grass hopper. Patience.

He's ****ing finished.

I will bathe in his blood.

First punt...the boos are gonna rain down

So as long as we play in a climate controlled dome we might have a chance come playoff time. LMAO come to think of it the Colts and Texans playoff games were his most "impressive."

190 yards 1 TD and 1 INT is impressive? The defense and STs won that playoff game against the Texans.

True. if i remember right, we were in alot of short fields. I cant hold that against Smith.

Couldn't think of a better word. Maybe adequate?

This thread triggered tigerbitch.

Hilarious.

Chiefs offensive drives

10 plays - 29 yards - 0 points
2 plays - 5 yards - INT
5 plays - 27 yards - FG
6 plays - 40 yards - FG
3 plays - -2 yards - 0 points
5 plays - 27 yards - 0 points
11 plays - 94 yards - TD
8 plays - 71 yards - TD
6 plays - 7 yards - 0 points
4 plays - 6 yards - FG

This.

The move was made to get Pat. It's only a matter of time, and I admit it's hard being patient right now.

It’s crazy how we went from MVP to possibly being benched in the matter of one game.

He was never going to be an MVP

One game. Nah. 4-game stretch.

So should we nickname him.


Alex “ I was in the 2017 MVP talk that one time” Smith?

Reminds me of Matt "Pro bowler" Cassel.

FYP

This speaks volumes. If there is anyone who knows Alex Smith it's David "WE WANT CARR!!!WE WANT CARR" Carr. Glad to see him give what appears to be an honest opinion.

The stats about how Alex gets shittier as the year goes on are amazing.

If anyone knows a shitty QB, it’s David Carr.

And water is wet

I think it WILL happen. Both Smith AND Reid are NOT "bounce back" guys. When this team has come back the following week after an ass kicking, it wasn't Reid and Smith doing the leading. From time to time, the defense just gets tired of this shit and throws down the juice. And of course, Reid and "Shitty" get to profit from it.

This defense COULD feast on Buffalo. The question is, will they?

So Smith is dome soft. What is Mahomes like in cold weather?

wasn't that cold but he put up a million yards on ou in 30mph wind last year

This D ain't got no juice.:rolleyes:

I could easily see Tyrod starting this week and having a great game against us to prove he shouldn’t have been benched. The chiefs haven’t had a stretch like this since the 1-5 start a few years ago. Some of the guys on the team now will remember that. Will anyone step up? Let’s see. I share your doubt that it’s Smith. The offensive line might and that could be enough if Hunt were to have a monster game with multiple TDs.

Alex will finish the season

I think that decision sets us back 1 more year. Let Mahomes finish, get his feet wet in a playoff game, reap the rewards next year.

I was about to say, a 2 touchdown 235 yard game is a pretty decent game. I wouldn't complain if he did that every game lol

This. Why waste a whole year just so Alex doesn't get his feelings hurt. We're going no where this season. I think if we fall to .500 there is a pretty good chance Andy will put in Mahomes.

he is not gonna throw 2 TDs. Hasn't in 4 of the last 5.




No, Tyreek in Dallas doesn't count, so don't even try it.

Agreed. There are offensive options outside of Smith as well. Smith is so cursed in that he has NO ability to be that guy that fires up the team and marches them out breathing fire.
The defense has lost its leaders due to injury and when that happens, the discipline breaks down, the gut goes un-checked, and shitty teams can put some points up. That said, the D did its job against NYG.
Frankly, I'm ready to start Mahomes if only to get the rest of this team out of its funk.

And you would like that. But why? Smith isn't retiring a Chief, and the fans are sick to death of him as a player.
The only positive in that scenario, is that it assures that Mahomes will not sustain an injury.

Nothing more.

I think it reflects more on the front office. It's been this way since I can remember going back to the 90s. This franchise is loyal to a fault for whatever reason.

Reversion to the mean.

Smith was playing at an MVP level the first 5 games. He's come back down to earth now.

I'd argue he had 4 great games, 3 respectable games, and 2 garbage games.

To this point Alex has played better than I thought he would. To this point our record is better than I thought it would be.

It should be clear now that this team has the holes we thought it did before the season...

So loyal they traded up in the 1st to select a QB.

Great argument.

Look, Reid doesn't think PM is ready. Mahomes is a talent but it does us no good to trot him out early behind a questionable line.

We want 2PM and not RG3...

Line was solid last weekend. Really hasn’t been overly questionable lately.

But if we say it enough then it’s true.

I didn't even get to watch last week's game because my sleep has been so ****ed lately. Sounds like that was a good thing.

And when the best compliment you can pay is "not overly questionable" I think we can both agree there's room for improvement...

Line was horrible run blocking and average pass blocking. Like usual Smith either held it to long or began his roll right to sideline to dump it OOB.

Not seeing him to next year fellas

We have had 3 games where the offense failed to score more than 17 points so I would not file any of those in the respectable column personally especially considering how the defenses of the Steelers, Cowboys and our TD'less game against the 31st Giants have fared against teams this season.

I like Alex as a professional and how he handles himself and these situations as a person. I am grateful that he along with Reid and Dorsey helped make this franchise at least respectable again after the emotion stealing seasons we have recently had prior to 2013. But he has served his purpose and it is time to give way to Mahomes. I had really hoped that Smith could have kept it up the way he played the first 5 weeks and gone out with a beautiful swan song ending in a SB. But everyone here knows whether they admit it or not that we are not going to a SB this year with Alex at the helm and based on history of rookie QB's probably not with Mahomes either. But what if there is any chance and I would say there is from just his preseason play alone that he can ignite this team to make it further albeit maybe only even 1 game further would it not be worth taking the road less traveled? Not to mention it gives Mahomes a better chance to hit the ground running next year with the possibility of getting postseason experience in his first year. Are you all really that excited to see another ending like the last 4 years that you know is coming unless by some oddity that Brady, Big Ben and half of Jacksonville's defense got hurt?
I just can't understand the fear that some have that they won't get their little AFC West downyear division winner banner and one extra game. That is just going to increase people's hatred for Alex that while I think a bit irrational I do understand where it is coming from as it is just pent up frustration from watching this team for a long time. Let him go and help the rookie while taking on a 2016 Tony Romo type of role. I would love for Smith to come back to KC as a backup or even some type of coaching maybe some day down the road.

Get out of here with that bull$3it.

There is a difference between poor play and playing a good team.

All this is true and should be pointed out.

No, it's not.

I honestly believe PM will be a better QB than Smith.
I honestly believe that PM will be a top 5 QB when his time comes.
I also believe that if Andy knows anything it's how to manage QB's.

Neither Clark nor Andy are "knee-jerk" kind of guys, and that is good.

A smart person doesn't risk the future (perhaps a decade of QB stability) for one extra game.

I don’t want to bench Alex Smith. What if we go 1-4 in our next 5 games? What if we happen to only score 9 points and lose to a team like the Giants or something crazy like that?

You see how crazy you dumb ****ers sound that think benching him would make things worse?

I'm not worried abut the team this year - I'm worried about the future of our team...

I can't wait to hear people wonder what changed when the line looks awesome with a competent QB standing behind them. LMAO

"Wow, the line looks so much better. Doing X made a big difference!"

AMEN YOU FRAULEIN MUTHAFUKKA

You just called me a young woman.

Trying to help his brother out and create dissension on a division rival. Shame on you sir.

Honestly I just wanna see good football. I’m a disgruntled fan for a multitude of reasons. I thoroughly enjoyed beginning of the season as Alex played at his peak. But I’m honestly over it. I would like to see mahomes lead a team. Logically, Andy won’t make that switch unless alex doesn’t improve his play, and chiefs are eliminated

Or, rather, true fans saying, “well, if the line played like this for Alex Smith, we’d be super bowl champs!!!”

I remember when.upgrading to kyle ****ing Orton made the line look better than with cassell. Lol

Yep.

And it will spread across the roster:

"Where was ( player X ) when ALEX WAS THE QB"?!?!?!?!?!

And-a boo-hoo-hoo!
And-a wella-wella hey!

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Which games are you calling great? I would say NE, Philly, and Washington. He has played like garbage 3 of the last 5, Pitt, Dallas, and NYG.

Yes, but in my defense it was German. Was meant to be funny, don't really want to see you in a skirt.

played like shit against Denver too.

I didn't think he played like garbage against Denver. Adequate is what I'd rate that. But that was with my own eyes watching live at the stadium. I don't know what the stats were. Either way, it's obvious that he's regressed to his normal crappy play in November/December. I'm ready to see Mahomes. The only thing is if Andy feels that he's still a little too raw. We're not going anywhere with Alex at the helm, that's for sure.

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Chiefs fan base is sick of two things. One is never being a champion. The second is never having the QB problem solved. Every year of my life it's been an issue with the exception being Green and maybe one year of Joe and that's it. Year after year we are constantly talking about the QB. In many ways it's the only position that matters. Get the right one and you are in the mix every year. The wrong one and you're in purgatory year after year. Mahomes at least is hope.

We don't have a QB problem with Alex Smith. He's a good QB.

Truth is Chiefs fanbase is mostly a bunch of whining b**ches. Years of frustration has made a lot of us that way. I get it but it's kind of pathetic at times.

I think that was a good post but that last part is frequently said on here and it drives me nuts because it is simply not true.

First of all we have already gotten to the divisional rd twice with Smitty and won a playoff gm (should have won the Colts playoff gm. Smitty played great) so to say we are not going anywhere with the guy has already been proven false. Not going anywhere is not making the playoffs, making the playoffs is an accomplishment. It's not the ultimate goal and it gets old fast once you get used to it but it always nice to get there.

Second there have been QBs not as good as Alex 'All I do is win' Smith that have won the SB. Most obvious example is the old P Manning that won with the Broncos. Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex. He won it. Russell Wilson isn't much better than Smitty. Big Ben earlier in his career wasn't that great and he certainly isn't having a better season than Alex right now.

So we can win a SB with Smitty, you can win a SB with almost any QB. Football is not an individual sport. So there are ways to win games with pretty much any QB as long as they are good (and that isn't even true look at the old P Manning) which Alex Smith clearly is.

#GoChiefs

You clearly know more than David Carr...

No I don't know more than him but Reid does and Reid clearly thinks Smitty should be starting.

I am not saying you guys on here don't have a right to disagree with Reids decision to start Smitty over Mahomes. You do. But lets be honest here and realize that you are probably wrong. Reid was a former QB coach for Christs sakes.

Reid also knows a hell of a lot more about where Mahomes is at as an NFL QB than you guys do. If he should be starting, Reid would do it in a heartbeat. Why wouldn't he?

Regular season is like sitting in the driveway of the hot girl you have always wanted to bang house

Playoffs is you make it inside her house

Divisional is making it to the bedroom

Super Bowl is getting to bang her like all the porn you watched preparing for this night

Winning is getting to finish on her face and take pictures

If you are not making it to the banging you did nothing but waste time and end up alone and ****ing yourself as you cry in the shower

Some of us aren’t happy driving to the house to have popcorn and take a tour of her house like you and others who settle for the participation trophy of making it to the house

Or he doesnt want to admit his mistake with Smith, and would rather be the captain going down with the ship. Its not like this hasnt happened before with Pioli and Cassel.

Reid always admits his mistakes and takes the blame. Reid may have a lot of faults but not taking responsibility is certainly not one of them.

Fail post.

I want to win the SB as much as any fan here but to say we can't accomplish that with Smitty is false. It's been done by other teams with worse QBs. End of the day football is and always will be a team game.

Gee, I wonder what all of those teams had in common? What could it be? :hmmm:

I think we’ve all agreed at some point over the last few years that Smith COULD win a SB on the right team, in the right situation. I honestly even thought earlier this year we might have such a team this season. However, I think most of us have now realized that the loss of Berry, vaporization of our pass rush, and unfixed run defense have left us with a defense that bears no resemblance to those in years past. A strong, playmaking, scoring defense is one thing that I think Smith must have to win a SB.

So yes, Smith COULD win a SB, but the Chiefs now lack some of the key requirements for him to do so. Mahomes probably won’t win the SB for us this year either. It would take special quarterbacking to overcome our defensive weaknesses. However, Smith sure as hell isnt going to do it or he would have been doing already over the last 5 games.

People’s side in this debate comes down to what kind of personality they have. Think of driving along in your car and you come up to a traffic jam that is moving slowly but not stopped. You are in a place you don’t know very well and don’t have access to google maps. There are side roads leading off all over the place with no traffic on them. You think they will take you where you want to go, but can’t be completely sure. Do you take off and try to find a way around or do you just sit there in traffic moving slowly along and stick it out? This franchise has been sitting in traffic for years and those of us who would take off on the side roads are anxious to get out of the jam and try a new way. We’ve done the slow and steady thing already and it’s boring as hell. Football is supposed to be fun and unpredictable. Let’s have some fun already. You can’t tell me you have been enjoying Chiefs football over the last 5 games.