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InChiefsHeaven 07-11-2020 06:11 AM

Also though, it seemed this production was lip synced...is that correct?

DaFace 07-11-2020 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 15061655)
Also though, it seemed this production was lip synced...is that correct?

I don't know exactly how they did it, but they did NOT studio record the audio and sync to that. The studio version is far more produced.

I THINK that all of the audio was taken from the live performances during the days they recorded (which I understand was two actual shows with an audience and one day of filming various close-up shots). It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there were moments when the audio was from Day 1 and you were seeing video from the close-ups, for example. So in that sense, it was probably synced a little, but definitely not end to end.

BigRedChief 07-11-2020 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15061735)
I don't know exactly how they did it, but they did NOT studio record the audio and sync to that. The studio version is far more produced.

I THINK that all of the audio was taken from the live performances during the days they recorded (which I understand was two actual shows with an audience and one day of filming various close-up shots). It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there were moments when the audio was from Day 1 and you were seeing video from the close-ups, for example. So in that sense, it was probably synced a little, but definitely not end to end.

I read an article about whats considered "live" and whats not by whatever governing board, actors guild, union?


The gist is like in this case, they can take any audio or performance from those two days and mash them together, The comedy specials we see from everyone are usually recorded over two days and mashed together. But, if you say its live, you cant put studio recorded audio into the live broadcast.

InChiefsHeaven 07-11-2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15061735)
I don't know exactly how they did it, but they did NOT studio record the audio and sync to that. The studio version is far more produced.

I THINK that all of the audio was taken from the live performances during the days they recorded (which I understand was two actual shows with an audience and one day of filming various close-up shots). It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there were moments when the audio was from Day 1 and you were seeing video from the close-ups, for example. So in that sense, it was probably synced a little, but definitely not end to end.

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!

DJ's left nut 07-11-2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15061735)
I don't know exactly how they did it, but they did NOT studio record the audio and sync to that. The studio version is far more produced.

I THINK that all of the audio was taken from the live performances during the days they recorded (which I understand was two actual shows with an audience and one day of filming various close-up shots). It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there were moments when the audio was from Day 1 and you were seeing video from the close-ups, for example. So in that sense, it was probably synced a little, but definitely not end to end.

Watch Angelica's dress and you'll have your answer....

During Speechless the flowers around her neck come and go.

Not lip synced, however, there were some moments spliced in that were done after the recorded performance. They were done without an audience and they were primarily for more 'intimate' close-up shots. It's still a 'live' performance and not overdubbed, but they did do some editing of a few moments here and there.

DaneMcCloud 07-11-2020 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15061735)
I don't know exactly how they did it, but they did NOT studio record the audio and sync to that. The studio version is far more produced.

The microphones were all routed and recorded in Pro Tools while the video was recorded in Avid, where the final edits and audio mix was completed and rendered.

I haven't had a chance to watch it yet (my wife and kids have seen it a half a dozen times since last week) but once everything's benn recorded into an Avid rig and Pro Tools, anything can be fixed, from pitchy vocals to the overall live mix.

While I'm certain that there are different performances from the recordings 2016, the editor will pick the best performance and roll with it. So unlike a general stage performance, we're seeing the best possible performances edited together from many different nights (which is not unusual).

These performances were also recorded without an audience, making the audio editing (and probably the video editing) much, much easier than if there was a live crowd due to the silence in the theater.

That would also explain why some people have felt the edited performance fell a little flat as compared to the theater experience because stage actors really feed off of the audience and their reactions.

Slightly off-topic but I've been watching the Frozen 2 doco series on Disney+ and just as I had imagined, all of Kristen Bell's (and many of the cast members) had their vocals tuned because all of them were extremely pitchy when seen recording their vocals for the songs.

DaneMcCloud 07-11-2020 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15062138)
Watch Angelica's dress and you'll have your answer....

During Speechless the flowers around her neck come and go.

No, lip synced, however, there were some moments spliced in that were done after the recorded performance. They were done without an audience and they were primarily for more 'intimate' close-up shots. It's still a 'live' performance and not overdubbed, but they did do some editing of a few moments here and there.

The show was edited together using more than a dozen stage recordings. I haven't checked around but I'd be surprised if there wasn't any overdubbing because that's generally easier than making vocally tuned tracks sound natural.

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Gravedigger 07-11-2020 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15061598)
I doubt if Nugent and Simmons actively support domestic terrorists, either.

Calling MLK a domestic terrorist is coming from the same voice that shot him. MLK made more change in this world than you and your friends ever did or will, and they're far better men because of it. Have a little respect for a man who was assassinated for speaking for equality.

vailpass 07-11-2020 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 15062531)
Calling MLK a domestic terrorist is coming from the same voice that shot him. MLK made more change in this world than you and your friends ever did or will, and they're far better men because of it. Have a little respect for a man who was assassinated for speaking for equality.

*Drama!*

Mephistopheles Janx 07-11-2020 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 15062531)
Calling MLK a domestic terrorist is coming from the same voice that shot him. MLK made more change in this world than you and your friends ever did or will, and they're far better men because of it. Have a little respect for a man who was assassinated for speaking for equality.

I believe Frazod is talking about the current cast of Hamilton and not MLK. They support BLM which he believes to be, or has been infiltrated by, domestic terrorists.

/I could be wrong

DaFace 07-11-2020 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15062230)
The show was edited together using more than a dozen stage recordings. I haven't checked around but I'd be surprised if there wasn't any overdubbing because that's generally easier than making vocally tuned tracks sound natural.

Just two with an audience and one day for some songs without.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/m...streaming.html

Frazod 07-12-2020 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 15062531)
Calling MLK a domestic terrorist is coming from the same voice that shot him. MLK made more change in this world than you and your friends ever did or will, and they're far better men because of it. Have a little respect for a man who was assassinated for speaking for equality.

Apparently reading comprehension isn't a part of your programming. :facepalm:

Valiant 07-12-2020 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15058584)
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. There's plenty of rap, of course, but there are some pretty "normal" musical songs strewn throughout as well. I'd guess maybe 75% rap, 25% sung. Essentially no spoken dialog though.

It is more spoken word.

DaneMcCloud 07-12-2020 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15062792)
Just two with an audience and one day for some songs without.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/m...streaming.html

One of my friends at Disney said the initial production company recorded as many as a dozen different shows, then edited them together.

The production company spent $10 million to produce and while they had to rent five cameras, a steady-cam and 100 microphones, that seems a bit expensive to record only two shows.


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