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Hawk 06-28-2017 07:40 AM

It's hard to pull off a younger version of a character like that. The one time I can think of that I thought was really good was josh Brolin doing Tommy Lee Jones in MiB3.

Frazod 06-28-2017 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 12934875)
He's mimicking Ford. There's a big difference between what Ford did to create a character and someone doing an impression of that character. They clearly want to capture an essence of a character instead of trying to copy Ford. Glover is nothing like Billy Dee Williams, yet I think it's a nice choice. Having someone do a Harrison Ford impression would be interesting for 5 minutes, then he better find a way to make the character his own or he's screwed.

Ford became a great actor later. In the original Star Wars he was just north of awful. Hamill and Fisher both did much better jobs. Ironic when you consider that he's the one who went on to become one of the biggest stars in Hollywood.

unlurking 06-28-2017 08:37 AM

Yeah, I don't get the "owning it" thing. Ford owns it. Anything else is not Solo.

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2017 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 12935003)
The other difference is they clearly aren't happy with the guy they actually chose to play solo. Getting him help is admitting they may have miscast the guy, no?

Also, Ford's Solo is all there is. As far as SW fans are concerned...Ingruber wouldn't be imitating Ford...he'd simply be a young Solo...which is what we want here, correct?

I mean, I completely get what you guys are saying the "essence" of the character. It's just that apparently the guy they picked isnt cutting it

Again, copying a guy and actually having acting chops are completely different.

Does anyone think that Donald Glover won't be able to pull off a convincing version of Lando Calrissian?

Ron Howard is the key to this film. If he can't get Ehrenreich's performance where it should be, I think they scrap the entire film. I find it highly unlikely that they go back into the casting process and essentially reshoot the film, again.

The cost would be outrageous.

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2017 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 12935050)
Yeah, I don't get the "owning it" thing. Ford owns it. Anything else is not Solo.

That's another reason why they decided to move forward with Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones.

Recasting would be a nightmare.

Maybe they can pull it off in 15 years but it's tough to do when Ford's actually still alive and working.

Fire Me Boy! 06-28-2017 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12935200)
Again, copying a guy and actually having acting chops are completely different.

Does anyone think that Donald Glover won't be able to pull off a convincing version of Lando Calrissian?

Ron Howard is the key to this film. If he can't get Ehrenreich's performance where it should be, I think they scrap the entire film. I find it highly unlikely that they go back into the casting process and essentially reshoot the film, again.

The cost would be outrageous.

You think they'd scrap it? I think they'd release it, because even a bad Star Wars film is going to make a shitload of money. And as a one-off, I doubt it would have much (if any) of a negative impact on future films. It might be more damaging to admit it was crap and can it.

:shrug:

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2017 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 12935215)
You think they'd scrap it? I think they'd release it, because even a bad Star Wars film is going to make a shitload of money. And as a one-off, I doubt it would have much (if any) of a negative impact on future films. It might be more damaging to admit it was crap and can it.

:shrug:

If Ron Howard comes in and says "Ehrenriech has to go", I think they scrap the film. They've already spent nearly 16 weeks filming on sound stages and on location. It doesn't appear to be a film that's heavily ensconced with blue screens and VFX, so to reshoot the entire film would be very cost prohibitive.

Unlike Rogue One, I think the general public and even huge Star Wars fans are skeptical that this film will work so if word of mouth is bad, it could be their first flop.

Gadzooks 06-28-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12935200)
Again, copying a guy and actually having acting chops are completely different.

Does anyone think that Donald Glover won't be able to pull off a convincing version of Lando Calrissian?

Ron Howard is the key to this film. If he can't get Ehrenreich's performance where it should be, I think they scrap the entire film. I find it highly unlikely that they go back into the casting process and essentially reshoot the film, again.

The cost would be outrageous.

I for one would be very impressed if Donald Glover pulled off a convincing Lando. Billy Dee Williams' voice had a very unique cadence and tone. If Glover can't mimic Williams, I'll find it very distracting.

I think the overall problem with the concept of the film is the limited time range compared to the original. Asking Ewan to play Obi Wan 40 years younger works, (the voice sounds similar so it's a pass). Asking anyone to play a 30 year old Han Solo 10 years younger is an entirely different animal. People don't change that drastically in that small of a time frame. The only way to pull it off is with a convincing mimic.

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2017 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 12935668)
The only way to pull it off is with a convincing mimic.

That never works. Look no further than Superman Returns, starring Brandon Routh.

While he was able to successfully ape Christopher Reeve, he was completely unconvincing in the role.

I agree that making this film, especially now, was a bad idea but hiring a Ford "mimic" would have laughable and most likely, disastrous.

Fire Me Boy! 06-28-2017 03:33 PM

Those of you worried about speech patterns and cadences... were you distracted by Chris Pine as Capt. Kirk? If the actor gets the character, any distraction will go away after a few minutes.

Gadzooks 06-28-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 12935690)
Those of you worried about speech patterns and cadences... were you distracted by Chris Pine as Capt. Kirk? If the actor gets the character, any distraction will go away after a few minutes.

Pfft.... Zachary Quinto's Spock saved those movies. Getting a young Shatner mimic would have made the movie more like an SNL skit.

This was pleasantly distracting:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/wp...o-Darkness.jpg

unlurking 06-28-2017 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 12935690)
Those of you worried about speech patterns and cadences... were you distracted by Chris Pine as Capt. Kirk? If the actor gets the character, any distraction will go away after a few minutes.

Absolutely. Chris Pine sucked as Capt. Kirk. To be fair though, I hate the reboot. #notmytrek

unlurking 06-28-2017 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 12935668)
I for one would be very impressed if Donald Glover pulled off a convincing Lando. Billy Dee Williams' voice had a very unique cadence and tone. If Glover can't mimic Williams, I'll find it very distracting.

I think the overall problem with the concept of the film is the limited time range compared to the original. Asking Ewan to play Obi Wan 40 years younger works, (the voice sounds similar so it's a pass). Asking anyone to play a 30 year old Han Solo 10 years younger is an entirely different animal. People don't change that drastically in that small of a time frame. The only way to pull it off is with a convincing mimic.

Pretty much agree with this.

bowener 06-29-2017 01:20 PM

Let's say Glover nails it as Lando but Ehrenreich is garbage. Is it feasible to use any useful material already shot and do a rewrite to center the film around Lando, and build up to why he would have betrayed his friends (with a brief cameo from "Han")? I would much rather see that portion of the universe than a terrible Solo movie. I guess this is directed more toward Dane.

edit: Also, if this film is scrapped will it kill Ehrenreich's career for a while?

DaneMcCloud 06-29-2017 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 12936869)
I guess this is directed more toward Dane.

No, it's not feasible. There's no way that Larry Kasdan and his son will re-write an entire story focusing on Lando, nor would Disney & Lucasfilm greenlight such a film. Plus, you're talking about an entirely new concept and script, which would take at least 6 months to complete.

Every actor working on this film has a full schedule (most people are booked 12-18 months out). Same goes for the Cinematographer, editors, gaffers, electricians, set makers, etc. and so on, so you're basically looking at losing the entire cast and crew.

Currently, Lucasfilm is paying the Han Solo crew every day, even when they're not at work and paying for studio time, even though they're not filming. It would be better to scrap the whole movie than attempt to cobble together a script with the current cast and crew.

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 12936869)
edit: Also, if this film is scrapped will it kill Ehrenreich's career for a while?

I doubt it. Does he even have a career? Hell, I had never heard of him before this casting, although I was at an industry party back in early 2016 in which people said he was the "best part" of Hail, Caesar!.

I saw that movie and recently, Beautiful Creatures. I didn't care for either performance.


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