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SHOWTIME 03-26-2024 07:30 AM

NFL Approves New Kickoff Rule
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">����������������: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> has approved the new kickoff rule change, per <a href="https://twitter.com/jjones9?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jjones9</a> <br><br>Owners voted in favor of it 29-3. <a href="https://t.co/fhlNNT25q1">pic.twitter.com/fhlNNT25q1</a></p>&mdash; JPAFootball (@jasrifootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1772611974750241026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New NFL kickoffs will look like this. <a href="https://t.co/1fl16KSi4E">pic.twitter.com/1fl16KSi4E</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schelfer (@AdamSche1fer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSche1fer/status/1772616615365906548?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tyton75 03-26-2024 07:42 AM

Thats going to be very odd to see. Not sure if I like it or hate it.

tyreekthefreak 03-26-2024 07:43 AM

Arena football....

tredadda 03-26-2024 07:44 AM

Definitely looks interesting. Not sure how it will impact returns overall compared to what they had before.

Dartgod 03-26-2024 07:45 AM

Won't that completely eliminate onside kick opportunities?

dirk digler 03-26-2024 07:53 AM

much improvement IMO especially since the overwhelming % of kickoffs were touch backs.

KC_Connection 03-26-2024 07:55 AM

Having returners who can hold onto the ball just became even more valuable.

Graystoke 03-26-2024 07:55 AM

Lol,
An onside kick can occur, under the new rule, only during the fourth quarter and only by the trailing team. That team must declare its intention, and the alignment will revert to the traditional kickoff setup."

These rules man.

scho63 03-26-2024 08:09 AM

NFL Players will soon be carrying rule books in their pockets

DaFace 03-26-2024 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17458206)
NFL Players will soon be carrying rule books in their pockets

The rule book is already like 100 pages long. If you asked players to take a test on the intricacies of the rules, I'd bet the average score would be like a 70%. (See the 49ers lack of knowledge of the playoff OT rules in the Super Bowl.)

-King- 03-26-2024 08:11 AM

Nice I like the theory of the new rule. It literally can't be any worse than the non event the kickoff has turned into

Warpaint69 03-26-2024 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Graystoke (Post 17458201)
Lol,
An onside kick can occur, under the new rule, only during the fourth quarter and only by the trailing team. That team must declare its intention, and the alignment will revert to the traditional kickoff setup."

These rules man.

Entirely eliminates that element of surprise from the game. :shake:

wazu 03-26-2024 08:12 AM

This sounds/looks kinda fun. I guess how much fun will depend on how good we are at taking advantage of it. I have generally been happiest with boring touchbacks that just put the ball in the hands of Mahomes.

-King- 03-26-2024 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Warpaint69 (Post 17458211)
Entirely eliminates that element of surprise from the game. :shake:

I'll take whole games filled with exciting kickoffs over the surprise onside that happen like once or twice a season.

ThyKingdomCome15 03-26-2024 08:20 AM

Sounds like Patrick retires we won't have a lot to keep us interested.

wazu 03-26-2024 08:20 AM

I am extremely skeptical that this will reduce injuries. The kickoff in the NFL in recent years is basically a non-play. I'm not sure how you can even get hurt most of the time as the ball isn't even returned. How is a kickoff that puts the ball in play virtually every time going to lead to fewer injuries?

DaFace 03-26-2024 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17458221)
I am extremely skeptical that this will reduce injuries. The kickoff in the NFL in recent years is basically a non-play. I'm not sure how you can even get hurt most of the time as the ball isn't even in play. How is a kickoff that puts the ball in play virtually every time going to lead to fewer injuries?

I don't think that's the point, is it? Seems to me that all of the other recent changes were meant to reduce injuries, but it came at the cost of basically eliminating kickoffs from the game. This is meant to be a compromise that makes the play relevant again but hopefully still keeps the injury level low, albeit not as low as straight touchbacks.

-King- 03-26-2024 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17458221)
I am extremely skeptical that this will reduce injuries. The kickoff in the NFL in recent years is basically a non-play. I'm not sure how you can even get hurt most of the time as the ball isn't even returned. How is a kickoff that puts the ball in play virtually every time going to lead to fewer injuries?

Because they don't want a non play. They want a play that is safer than traditional kickoffs but is also worth watching. They're trying to fix their overcorrection.

wazu 03-26-2024 08:23 AM

I'll say this, I now hope more than I ever have that Hardman does not return to the Chiefs.

DaFace 03-26-2024 08:28 AM

I was having a conversation with a non-sports-fan, woman coworker a while back about football. She noted how complicated all the rules are compared to other sports, and it occurred to me that you almost have to treat "competitions" on a spectrum of "pure athleticism" on one end (e.g., olympic sports) and "purely made up rules" (e.g., board games) on the other end.

We like to pretend that football is closer to the olympics than board games, but there's no question that the rules of football are a lot closer to board games than we'd like to admit. They're made up. They're complicated. It takes a long time to understand what's going on if you aren't already familiar with it. But if you just accept that the game is driven by a series of arbitrary rules designed to just make it fun to watch, it kind of clicks. My coworker actually seemed to "get it" more after explaining it that way.

This seems to be yet another piece that pushes the game toward the "board game" end of the spectrum. It's weird, but there's no question it'll be more entertaining.

Bl00dyBizkitz 03-26-2024 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 17458188)
Won't that completely eliminate onside kick opportunities?

The onside kick is basically being killed.

As if it wasn't hard enough to achieve, now you can only use it in the 4th quarter when losing, and you have to announce that you're doing it.

It's just a dead play now.

ModSocks 03-26-2024 09:00 AM

I like it. I remember watching the XFL and thinking that they should adopt this. Though i do wish someone had a mashup video of numerous XFL kickoffs, just to get a real idea of what we're expecting.

-King- 03-26-2024 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17458245)
The onside kick is basically being killed.

As if it wasn't hard enough to achieve, now you can only use it in the 4th quarter when losing, and you have to announce that you're doing it.

It's just a dead play now.

So this eliminated like 0.3% of all onside kicks? I don't understand why people act like surprise onside kicks happen so often.

And didn't they also bring back being able to overload one side of the field on onside kicks with this rule?

PAChiefsGuy 03-26-2024 09:08 AM

Worth a shot. What they were doing was straight trash

scho63 03-26-2024 09:24 AM

It feels like the NFL is slowly morphing into the XFL

Gary Cooper 03-26-2024 09:28 AM

Good luck explaining football rules already to a casual fan.

Shiver Me Timbers 03-26-2024 09:29 AM

Not a Fan of this new rule

SHOWTIME 03-26-2024 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17458279)
It feels like the NFL is slowly morphing into the XFL

What do you expect? As society becomes softer, the NFL follows suit.

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-26-2024 09:47 AM

We have Toub and I think this will become an advantage for us. The kickoff rules before today were just painful and ceremonial most of the time. I like this because we will master it earlier and be a big part of our 3-peat!

dirk digler 03-26-2024 10:24 AM

No fair catches on kickoff's either so this should be fun

comochiefsfan 03-26-2024 10:28 AM

This is great. More opportunities for our return men to fumble instead of just giving the ball back to Mahomes.

TheGuardian 03-26-2024 10:37 AM

I can see Andy creating some really interesting stuff for this

Pitt Gorilla 03-26-2024 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17458210)
Nice I like the theory of the new rule. It literally can't be any worse than the non event the kickoff has turned into

I'll admit to preferring the kickoff be a "non-event." With our defense and Pat, I'd rather not have the opportunity to 1) give up a kickoff score and/or 2) Fumble a kickoff ourselves. Give me Pat and our D against the other team's offense/defense and I like our chances.

If we were a shitty team, I'd welcome more kickoffs. Since we're really, really good, I'd prefer less variability.

Spott 03-26-2024 10:53 AM

I’d rather see Butker just kick it through the end zone.

|Zach| 03-26-2024 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17458209)
The rule book is already like 100 pages long. If you asked players to take a test on the intricacies of the rules, I'd bet the average score would be like a 70%. (See the 49ers lack of knowledge of the playoff OT rules in the Super Bowl.)

It would be interesting to see a bunch of random dudes on Chiefs Planet take that test and also see how the players would do.

|Zach| 03-26-2024 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17458301)
What do you expect? As society becomes softer, the NFL follows suit.

Modified kickoff rules have now entered the culture wars. LMAO

Donger 03-26-2024 11:01 AM

NFL owners voted to approve changes to the league's kickoff structure for the 2024 season during their annual meeting in Orlando, introducing a system that they hope will produce more returns.

The league announced the change on Tuesday, saying the new structure would resemble a scrimmage style kickoff "by aligning players on both teams closer together and restricting movement to reduce space and speed."

For a standard kickoff, the ball would be kicked from the 35-yard line with the 10 kick coverage players lined up at the opposing 40, with five on each side of the field.

The return team would have at least nine blockers lined up in the “set up zone” between the 30- and 35-yard line with at least seven of those players touching the 35. There would be up two returners allowed inside the 20.

Only the kicker and two returners would be allowed to move until the ball hits the ground or was touched by a returner inside the 20.

Because of the reduced space and time, players won't be going at full running speed and are less likely to incur serious injury when they collide with their opponents.

It's a one-year rule change and can either be changed, kept or discarded by the start of the 2025 season. The style originated in the XFL, a competing professional football league, and has resulted in increased returns.

PAChiefsGuy 03-26-2024 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17458279)
It feels like the NFL is slowly morphing into the XFL

Slow process but it's definitely the way the league is heading.

Spott 03-26-2024 11:17 AM

So kickers will still be kicking off from the 35 yard line and touchbacks will give the receiving team the ball at the 30? It sounds like most kicks will still reach the end zone and teams will likely just take the touchback over attempting any kind of return.

Oxford 03-26-2024 11:22 AM

Since we have the "Punt God", can the Kickoff be a punt rather than a kick off the tee?

dirk digler 03-26-2024 11:28 AM

Good breakdown

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/n...ic-new-change/


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The strategy

The new kickoff rule is going to make the bottom of the roster prevalent for special teams, making roster spots 48 to 53 crucial. Teams using a 4-3 or 3-4 defense will play a role in how their special teams are constructed.

"When you watch the XFL, there are different kinds of body types out there," Rizzi said. "I don't know how much the body types are going to change, some teams may choose to go a little bit bigger and soem teams may choose to go a little bit faster.

"I think that will be kind of the exciting part of the play, to see teams play it out. Teams will play with it in the preseason to see what their best options are. It also makes it exciting for guys at the bottom of the roster, those spots are going to become a lot more valuable for guys fighting for those core positions. Roster configuration is going to be a big part in this."

Will there be more returns?

Simply put, yes. The XFL with their kickoff had a 97% return rate compared to the NFL's 22% last season with the traditional kickoff. Even if the NFL's modified kickoff rules, the return percentage will be significantly higher this season compared to last.

What about the return average?

The return average in the NFL was 23.0 last season while the XFL was 21.3. The NFL had four kickoff return touchdowns compared to the XFL's one. Of course, the kickoff team was on their 35 and the return team could line up on the opponent's 45.

With just the kicker on the 35, the return yard average will decrease, but the returns go significantly up.

What is the Landing Zone?

The Landing Zone is the area between the receiving team's goal line and its 20-yard line. Any kick short of the Landing Zone will result in the receiving team having the ball placed at their own 40-yard line.

Any kick in the Landing Zone must be returned. Any kick that hits in the landing zone and then goes into the end zone, must be returned or downed by the receiving team. If the play is down, touchback to the 20-yard line.

The touchback rule

If a kick hits in the end zone and stays inbounds, it can be either returned or downed. If downed then touchback to the 30-yard line. Any kick that goes out of the back of the end zone (in the air or bounces), results in a touchback to the 30-yard line.

"This is one year only," said Atlanta Falcons CEO and Competition Committee Chairman Rich McKay. "We'll be able to tweak it so maybe the touchback returns to the 35. This will definitely reduce the return number, so something we thought could be as high as 85-90% will be around 50-60%. That's okay with us.

"The extra five yards, if you kick the touchback, is good for offense. That's the starting point. If it works the way we think it will, could it go to 35? Sure."

Mile High Mania 03-26-2024 11:29 AM

They just continue to trick things up… not sure I’m a fan of it, but that really doesn’t matter I suppose.

wazu 03-26-2024 11:30 AM

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The touchback rule

If a kick hits in the end zone and stays inbounds, it can be either returned or downed.
Dave Toub if I ever see one of our guys return one of these so help me

dirk digler 03-26-2024 11:35 AM

This could up the strategy to try to kick it in the landing zone at the corner.

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Any kick in the Landing Zone must be returned. Any kick that hits in the landing zone and then goes into the end zone, must be returned or downed by the receiving team. If the play is down, touchback to the 20-yard line.

KC_Connection 03-26-2024 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 17458444)

Just like under the previous rules, I'm gonna want the Chiefs to have as few returns as possible prior to Mahomes getting the ball. Almost nothing good can come of it.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 03-26-2024 11:44 AM

Well Reid just got a promotion lol, imagine having our kicker also be an absolute assassin as a tackler. Butler wouldn’t be last line of defense, it would be Reid

philfree 03-26-2024 12:01 PM

Hokey bunch of BS.

SAGA45 03-26-2024 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17458279)
It feels like the NFL is slowly morphing into the XFL

XFL= Xperimental Football League.

And it'll be the United Football League going forward as it has merged with the USFL.

Mecca 03-26-2024 12:04 PM

This is them trying to make the kickoff still matter, we were getting to the point of that kicking off is pointless.

wazu 03-26-2024 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17458466)
Well Reid just got a promotion lol, imagine having our kicker also be an absolute assassin as a tackler. Butler wouldn’t be last line of defense, it would be Reid

I love this idea.

notorious 03-26-2024 12:16 PM

I'll give it a chance before shitting on it.

kccrow 03-26-2024 12:34 PM

It certainly made returns a thing again in the XFL. I'm curious how well it will work in the NFL with the slight ramp-up in overall speed on the return team.

BWillie 03-26-2024 12:45 PM

The less special teams matters in football the better. I liked being able to take a long piss and miss every kick off.

WhawhaWhat 03-26-2024 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17458581)
The less special teams matters in football the better. I liked being able to take a long piss and miss every kick off.

This doesn't prevent you from doing that.

PHOG 03-26-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 17458186)
Arena football....


Rain Man 03-26-2024 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17458466)
Well Reid just got a promotion lol, imagine having our kicker also be an absolute assassin as a tackler. Butler wouldn’t be last line of defense, it would be Reid

Heh-heh. We should do that if Butker's no longer allowed to kick it into the stands.

Armyofme 03-26-2024 01:46 PM

I'll bet they keep Toney around for kickoffs alone.

Graystoke 03-26-2024 01:48 PM

Do the Chiefs get new Cheerleaders with this rule change?

wazu 03-26-2024 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Armyofme (Post 17458661)
I'll bet they keep Toney around for kickoffs alone.

5th year option time.

ljmhawk 03-26-2024 01:58 PM

a lot of games that normally would be won will result in losses because of this dumb new rule.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-26-2024 02:00 PM

Turning the NFL into a circus, one clown move at a time. Complete silly non sense as rules now ROFL

Pasta Little Brioni 03-26-2024 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17458520)
I'll give it a chance before shitting on it.

I wont...

Pinchshot 03-26-2024 05:44 PM

Bring back Dante Hall

displacedinMN 03-26-2024 07:34 PM

watching the second video in the OP....not a fan

Bump 03-26-2024 07:46 PM

this looks wicked reeruned

Couch-Potato 03-26-2024 08:39 PM

This and the new tackle rules are getting out of control.

DaFace 03-26-2024 08:40 PM

This is a cool thread discussing a ton of little nuances in how teams might change their personnel strategies for special teamers as a result of this rule.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m privileged to have been part of XFL team, led by <a href="https://twitter.com/schwartzsteins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@schwartzsteins</a>, that created, tested, and developed the now New NFL Kickoff.<br><br>We tested it for 2+ years before we put it into a live game.<br><br>There’s some major scouting/roster-building dynamics that many may not realize yet[emoji3468] <a href="https://t.co/tsEzbUkAvS">pic.twitter.com/tsEzbUkAvS</a></p>— Eric Galko (@EricGalko) <a href="https://twitter.com/EricGalko/status/1772627029596250439?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

dlphg9 03-26-2024 09:24 PM

I actually like this. Kickoffs were exciting as shit before ~70% of kickoffs were touchbacks. Sure it looks kinda weird but we will get over it.

dlphg9 03-26-2024 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17458673)
Turning the NFL into a circus, one clown move at a time. Complete silly non sense as rules now ROFL

You find a reason to complain about pretty much everything dont ya?

What's wrong with this?

Chief Pagan 03-26-2024 09:37 PM

This adds a lot of potentially difficult calls, non calls for the ref to make regarding where players line up and did they move early for not much upside that I can tell.

I guess we will see how it shakes out once players and refs are used to it. But I'm skeptical.

BossChief 03-26-2024 09:50 PM

Seems laughable, but entertaining.

Kinda interested to see what we come up with. Agree with whoever said this might keep Toney around, if the idiot can hold onto the damn ball.

T-post Tom 03-26-2024 10:32 PM

KT’s stock just went up if he can figure out how to hold onto the ball. Tyreek is going to kill for the Phins. Holy shit.

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TEX 03-26-2024 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 17459062)
this looks wicked reeruned

Yep. Arena league gimick BS.

tyreekthefreak 03-27-2024 12:41 AM

This new safety gimmick will ruin the game. Triple digit scores. It will be the highlight of the game now diminishing both offense and defense. This is a drastic change in how football will be played. Bad move NFL!

Kman34 03-27-2024 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 17459206)
This new safety gimmick will ruin the game. Triple digit scores. It will be the highlight of the game now diminishing both offense and defense. This is a drastic change in how football will be played. Bad move NFL!

JFC… Calm down Francis.. This is better than watching touch backs all game long..

Chiefnj2 03-27-2024 06:12 AM

There will likely be an NFL record for single season kickoff TD returns.

PAChiefsGuy 03-27-2024 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17459238)
JFC… Calm down Francis.. This is better than watching touch backs all game long..

That remains to be seen. Looks like stupid XFL bullshit to me instead of just letting guys line up and play but we shall see how it goes.

tyreekthefreak 03-27-2024 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17459238)
JFC… Calm down Francis.. This is better than watching touch backs all game long..

No, it's gonna be arena football. You don't want to watch touchbacks move the kickoff back 10 yards. This change isn't for safety reasons as touchbacks are pretty damn safe! This change is to increase scoring and excitement just like arena football.

You'll see it after every score. Break a couple tackles and it will be returned for a touchdown. It's going to be a bigger part of the game than people realize.

-King- 03-27-2024 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 17459261)
That remains to be seen. Looks like stupid XFL bullshit to me instead of just letting guys line up and play but we shall see how it goes.

...are they not still lining up and playing?

I had no idea some people loved watching the ball sail out of the end zone so much

PAChiefsGuy 03-27-2024 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17459279)
...are they not still lining up and playing?

I had no idea some people loved watching the ball sail out of the end zone so much

They are still kicking the ball from the same spot so there will still be a ton of that


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