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staylor26 03-01-2024 11:56 AM

Who are we hoping the Chargers take at 5 (assuming they stay there)?
 
I really don't want them to get Harrison Jr. or Nabers.

Odunze, Alt, and Bowers would all still suck, but not as bad.

I'm hoping they reach for a CB.

DJ's left nut 03-01-2024 11:59 AM

They're going to take Nabers. They'd be completely insane not to.

Our best hope is, I guess, that someone trades into 3 to take Harrison and the Cardinals take Nabers at 4. At that point I guess the Chargers would trade down to put a QB needy team at 5 for Daniels.

But I feel like there's about a 0% chance that Nabers isn't the guy at that pick. And with an aging receiving corps and a strong, young LT, there's literally nothing else that makes any sense for them to do.

Mecca 03-01-2024 11:59 AM

Well they hired a guy from the Ravens so they'll likely take whoever the best player is...

And it may be Nabers because I could see a world where Allen and Williams are both gone.

JPH83 03-01-2024 12:23 PM

Yep it'll be Nabers or Bowers. In my wildest fantasies they go mad and take an OL guy or DT. But nah, it's Nabers

MahomesMagic 03-01-2024 12:28 PM

I think they take an Alpha WR if one is sitting there for them.

RunKC 03-01-2024 12:37 PM

It’s Jim Harbaugh so it’s probably gonna be Alt/Fashanu or whoever the best pass rusher is.

GloucesterChief 03-01-2024 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17424125)
I think they take an Alpha WR if one is sitting there for them.

Tried last year with Johnston, didn't work out very well.

MahomesMagic 03-01-2024 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 17424189)
Tried last year with Johnston, didn't work out very well.

Not an Alpha.


He was big though.

RunKC 03-01-2024 01:38 PM

If I was Harbaugh I’d take Verse. That defense was terrible up front minus Mack. Bosa is also a broke dick.

Wanna have any shot of beating us? Only thing that has worked for sure is an elite pass rush with your front 4.

Kid had 9 sack seasons in back-to-back years at FSU. He’s gonna be elite

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duncan_idaho 03-01-2024 06:16 PM

Reporter thought seems to be it will be Alt and he’ll play RT.

Seems in line with how Harbaugh rolls.

staylor26 03-01-2024 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17424679)
Reporter thought seems to be it will be Alt and he’ll play RT.

Seems in line with how Harbaugh rolls.

Yup, like DJ, I think Nabers should be the obvious choice.

But that just doesn't feel like the first draft pick of the Harbaugh era. Maybe it's jsut wishful thinking in disguise, but my gut says Alt.

DJ's left nut 03-01-2024 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17424679)
Reporter thought seems to be it will be Alt and he’ll play RT.

Seems in line with how Harbaugh rolls.

God that would be amazing.

Please please please have this khaki'd douche expose himself a month into the job.

Stryker 03-01-2024 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17424745)
Yup, like DJ, I think Nabers should be the obvious choice.

But that just doesn't feel like the first draft pick of the Harbaugh era. Maybe it's jsut wishful thinking in disguise, but my gut says Alt.

Yes, please! With Williams, Allen and Ekeler being a problem for that team, this would be GLORIOUS! :clap:

kccrow 03-02-2024 12:10 AM

It should be Nabers or Harrison depending on what happens in front of them. I just feel like they'll trade out though to gain more capital and address the defense (they pretty much need a guy at every level) and O-line.

philfree 03-03-2024 08:58 PM

Gonna trade Herbert and draft McCarthy.

wachashi 03-04-2024 08:30 AM

With Harbaugh as coach and Roman as OC, they will be a run-first offense. Even if they got Nabers, I'm not sure he'd be a gamebreaker in that system.

It feels like an offensive linemen to me. Could be Bowers, though.

duncan_idaho 03-04-2024 09:16 AM

Everything I’ve seen from guys who cover the team screams OT to me. It’s going to be Alt or Fashanu.

Though it would be hilarious and awesome to see them go totally rogue and trade Herbert. Looking at his deal, I think they could trade him for about a $10M cap hit.

It seems like they could for sure get a top 3 pick in this draft for him, and then quite a bit more.

Would seem like a Harbaugh thing to do.

ToxSocks 03-04-2024 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 17424189)
Tried last year with Johnston, didn't work out very well.

That bust was obvious before the pick was even made.

ToxSocks 03-04-2024 10:21 AM

And i don't agree they'll go WR. They still have Allen and just invested a 1st in a WR. They need defensive help more than they need a 3rd pass catcher.

And lets not forget who their HC is. Im betting they go some type of DL.

O.city 03-04-2024 10:24 AM

OL or DL.

GloucesterChief 03-04-2024 10:56 AM

Who is the best running QB who can only read one side of the field and has limited accuracy?

That is who they will draft.

Bowser 03-04-2024 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModSocks (Post 17427152)
And i don't agree they'll go WR. They still have Allen and just invested a 1st in a WR. They need defensive help more than they need a 3rd pass catcher.

And lets not forget who their HC is. Im betting they go some type of DL.

Yup.

I just don't see it being a receiver considering how much money they are dumping into the position with Allen, Williams, and Johnston.

If they're smart they'll go best pass rusher. But it's Harbaugh, so they'll go best road grater/play action tackle they can find.

Mecca 03-04-2024 11:24 AM

Well they are gonna be so mad when NE takes Alt with the 3rd pick.

staylor26 03-04-2024 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17427328)
Well they are gonna be so mad when NE takes Alt with the 3rd pick.

Nah, all signs point to the Pats going QB. If not, they'll take Harrison.

Mecca 03-04-2024 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17427338)
Nah, all signs point to the Pats going QB. If not, they'll take Harrison.

I'll be shocked if they take a QB, it strikes me as something Mayo won't want to do.

staylor26 03-04-2024 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17427342)
I'll be shocked if they take a QB, it strikes me as something Mayo won't want to do.

Just about every report from everybody that's plugged in (w/ Patriots) says it's going to be a QB. They reportedly love Daniels.

VAChief 03-04-2024 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17426959)
With Harbaugh as coach and Roman as OC, they will be a run-first offense. Even if they got Nabers, I'm not sure he'd be a gamebreaker in that system.

It feels like an offensive linemen to me. Could be Bowers, though.

Hopefully whoever turns out to be the second coming of Tony Mandarich.

loochy 03-04-2024 12:23 PM

Whoever they take is doomed to a preseason acl

Urc Burry 03-04-2024 01:49 PM

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Well this would be less than ideal

staylor26 03-04-2024 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 17427633)
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Well this would be less than ideal

As I said in the Lounge, I don't see it.

The Cardinals already have a shit ton of picks. They traded down last year, missing out on elite talent, and the Texans pick ended up being a late 1st.

The Chargers trading back from 5 is much more likely IMO.

wachashi 03-04-2024 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17427681)
As I said in the Lounge, I don't see it.

The Cardinals already have a shit ton of picks. They traded down last year, missing out on elite talent, and the Texans pick ended up being a late 1st.

The Chargers trading back from 5 is much more likely IMO.

Yeah, I think the Chargers may trade back and take Bowers.

RedinTexas 03-15-2024 07:44 PM

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Chargers gotta Charger.

ForeverChiefs58 03-15-2024 10:04 PM

They can’t really blow it up with Herbert going off rookie deal. What if they went QB so Harbaugh could get his own QB?

They could probably get hella picks from Herbert as well?

Stryker 03-15-2024 10:21 PM

What? They are going to take Malik Nabers. They have no choice.

kccrow 03-15-2024 10:48 PM

I'm not the Chargers GM but...

I got some cap space now so I'd sign WR Donovan Peoples-Jones. He knows my system from his days at Michigan. I'm gonna sign K.J. Osborn to be my slot. That's going to eat half my cap but WR is not longer a major draft need.

Then I'd add another RB aside from Gus Edwards. Gimme D'Onte Foreman. He can start, he's a big pounder. Now I have a two-headed monster to smash people with.

I would trade back to 12 with Minnesota and let them get the last Round 1-worthy QB. Grab a RT in front of the Raiders to fix the O-Line issues. Second round I probably have two picks now instead of 1 so I'm going CB early and LB later.

Probably none of this happens and they go with Nabers, but I don't think it's their best foot forward.

Nightfyre 03-15-2024 11:14 PM

Imagine if they go like JC Latham to lock down the right tackle spot though. Wouldn't be that surprising given how Harbaugh likes to build, coach, and scheme.

kccrow 03-16-2024 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17446055)
Imagine if they go like JC Latham to lock down the right tackle spot though. Wouldn't be that surprising given how Harbaugh likes to build, coach, and scheme.

I know Harbaugh looks simple, and he is, but he's expanded over the years a bit and throws the ball a bit more. He's a run-heavy guy but runs a lot of inside zone instead and not power/gap. His linemen have to be able to move more than it might appear. He will focus heavily on protecting his QB in a classic dropback/play-action passing game that will rely on West Coast offense route concepts. The fact he hired Greg Roman as his OC just solidifies those principles.

When you look at him getting rid of the WRs, I think you're going to see him bring in some smaller, faster guys to replace them. He'll have bigger, linear deep threats but his focal WRs are going to be just like Roman Wilson.

His running backs will be good at stretching the play out and cutting it north/south on a dime. I suggested Dont'a Foreman because he ran that style in Carolina a lot.

Anyhow all that to just go back to JC Latham... So, I don't know that he fits Harbaugh's offense "that well," but I also don't think he doesn't fit entirely. One thing you read in his scouting report is "he doesn't have the foot speed to reach the backside block" and I think that is a legit concern but it's really more just one specific aspect when you're looking at that. It means he doesn't have the footspeed as the "covered backside" tackle to reach his block assignment. That means he's going to struggle to reach a DT playing a true 3 technique when the play is going away from him. That "can" be a problem because the inside zone relies a lot on running backs hitting cutback lanes. He probably won't struggle as much when that DT is aligned in a 4i.

So we're looking at one specific aspect of Latham's game that doesn't fit "perfectly." Now if you run more of a mixed bag of power gap and inside zone like the Eagles do, then it becomes even less of a problem. Now, with Latham, maybe you can look at this dude and see how good he is and have him drop a little bit of weight to increase his footspeed on those blocks. I don't know if there is necessarily a "better" option at RT in this draft. I think Fuaga is worse and Guyton doesn't run block well enough. So... there's that.

And even with all that, so long as your backside OG is uncovered (he should be), he's going to strong arm that 3Ts inside shoulder to slow his roll before moving up to the 2nd level... There's not that much I don't like about Latham at RT, honestly.

Stryker 03-16-2024 09:18 PM

Hoping they trade that pick to the Vikings for their 2 firsts and next years so they can get JJ McCarthy!

wannaGOback 03-17-2024 03:52 AM

We want them to draft JJ McCarthy. Max drama!

VAChief 03-19-2024 12:29 PM

Hopefully Ryan Leaf 2.0.

kccrow 03-19-2024 07:51 PM

Not even Harbaugh is dumb enough to move away from Herbert. Herbert is anything but the problem.

Buehler445 03-19-2024 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wannaGOback (Post 17447318)
We want them to draft JJ McCarthy. Max drama!

This is my vote. I'd tune in for the hilarity.

RunKC 03-27-2024 09:15 AM

Joe Alt you are a Charger

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duncan_idaho 03-27-2024 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17459425)
Joe Alt you are a Charger

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This should be taught in classrooms<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/A8K5f8elop">pic.twitter.com/A8K5f8elop</a></p>&mdash; Thor Nystrom (@thorku) <a href="https://twitter.com/thorku/status/1772826135820222557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What I've been saying all along...

The Franchise 03-27-2024 09:40 AM

I think it means more that they'll trade down from 5 and take one of the highly rated RTs.

duncan_idaho 03-27-2024 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17459446)
I think it means more that they'll trade down from 5 and take one of the highly rated RTs.

I buy into that.

It also fits with Harbaugh constantly pumping up J.J. McCarthy. A trade-down from 5 is a lot more lucrative if a team is coming up to get a perceived "franchise QB."

staylor26 03-27-2024 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17459425)
Joe Alt you are a Charger

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This should be taught in classrooms<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/A8K5f8elop">pic.twitter.com/A8K5f8elop</a></p>&mdash; Thor Nystrom (@thorku) <a href="https://twitter.com/thorku/status/1772826135820222557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yea, just as many of us suspected, Harbaugh 100% prefers OL over WR. Now, maybe the top WR available on their board is just THAT much better, but I doubt it.

The Franchise 03-27-2024 10:04 AM

100% they would trade with Minnesota or another team. If they get two first round picks, then they can draft a tackle high and grab a WR towards the end of the first round.

Jerm 03-27-2024 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17459468)
100% they would trade with Minnesota or another team. If they get two first round picks, then they can draft a tackle high and grab a WR towards the end of the first round.

I think their spot is where Minnesota tries to make their move...makes too much sense.

staylor26 03-27-2024 10:18 AM

Yes, everybody keeps pointing to the Cardinals at 4, but they already have a shit ton of picks. It's the Chargers at 5. That's the spot to trade up and take QB4.

RunKC 03-27-2024 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17459488)
Yes, everybody keeps pointing to the Cardinals at 4, but they already have a shit ton of picks. It's the Chargers at 5. That's the spot to trade up and take QB4.

Anyone notice that Kevin O’Connell was extremely calm in Orlando this week? He even brought up Denver knowing they have to compete with them for a QB and was joking about it.

Sean Payton knows he’s ****ed. The Cardinals aren’t trading back with MHJ on the board and there’s no way in hell Harbaugh is trading with Sean to take his college QB to be in his division.

The Broncos are ****ed and I love it. Only chance they have is if NE traded back with Minnesota bc they don’t want a QB leaving one of the four to drop. I honestly can’t see that happening.

Couch-Potato 03-27-2024 11:53 AM

I think they're pretty confident they will get WR Harrison Jr.

staylor26 03-27-2024 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17459572)
I think they're pretty confident they will get WR Harrison Jr.

I don't know why they would be because he's going to be a Cardinal.

RunKC 03-27-2024 12:36 PM

Cardinals really thinking this or is this BS? Sean Payton mentioned their GM being in a great position. Could not be any more obvious that Denver is trying to make a trade with them

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staylor26 03-27-2024 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17459649)
Cardinals really thinking this or is this BS? Sean Payton mentioned their GM being in a great position. Could not be any more obvious that Denver is trying to make a trade with them

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Several teams have told me the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AZCardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AZCardinals</a> are a prime candidate to move back from the 4th pick in the NFL Draft, as we discussed on <a href="https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatMcAfeeShow</a>. <a href="https://t.co/kE3vwaYw3t">pic.twitter.com/kE3vwaYw3t</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Schultz (@Schultz_Report) <a href="https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1773030041573568563?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Cardinals have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. They traded back last year to load up on picks this year.

At some point, you have to take a blue chipper. Maybe they're dumb enough to trade back again, but it would be a terrible move.

The Franchise 03-27-2024 02:01 PM

The Cardinals have ZERO reason to trade back.

staylor26 03-27-2024 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17459760)
The Cardinals have ZERO reason to trade back.

I jsut don't get why more people don't see this.

What good is it to keep trading back and not getting elite talent?

RunKC 03-27-2024 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17459760)
The Cardinals have ZERO reason to trade back.

ESPN did a mock today that had Denver trading with them. They got 12, a 2025 1st and a 2026 1st. That would garner some attention for me, especially if I could use one of the many top 100 picks to get back in the top 10 from 12.

That 2025 1st will most likely be top 5 like their current pick.

Tough choice IMO

staylor26 03-27-2024 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17460141)
ESPN did a mock today that had Denver trading with them. They got 12, a 2025 1st and a 2026 1st. That would garner some attention for me, especially if I could use one of the many top 100 picks to get back in the top 10 from 12.

That 2025 1st will most likely be top 5 like their current pick.

Tough choice IMO

Trading down to 11-12 basically means you're losing out on MHJ, Nabers, AND Odunze now.

Their WR situation is terrible.

Again, you can't just keep trading back. You have to pick a blue chipper when you have the opportunity eventually.

Gravedigger 03-28-2024 06:49 AM

Harbaugh has been putting too much out there in trading down to take a player at 5. Selling McCarthy or the best WR in the draft should Arizona trade their pick so someone can take McCarthy and then he would have the best WR fall in his lap to trade, but I have to think their first move by a long shot is trade. Best WR or Joe Alt is just the bonus if they can't get suitable compensation, but they're in one of the best spots in this draft no doubt about it unfortunately. I'm glad the Broncos and the Raiders ****ed themselves by trying to keep up with Patrick Mahomes last season, but the Chargers just went fetal position for a better draft pick in a Brandon Staley-less future, they played it right.

Chiefnj2 03-28-2024 07:05 AM

If Harbaugh thinks McCarthy is the best QB he's ever seen and coached, he would be foolish not to trade Herbert to Chicago or Washington and then draft McCarthy. He'd have the best QB ever (in his eyes) and the #5 pick for a LOT to protect the greatest QB ever.

Stryker 03-28-2024 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wannaGOback (Post 17447318)
We want them to draft JJ McCarthy. Max drama!

No, the Vikings get JJ!

Stryker 03-28-2024 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 17460283)
If Harbaugh thinks McCarthy is the best QB he's ever seen and coached, he would be foolish not to trade Herbert to Chicago or Washington and then draft McCarthy. He'd have the best QB ever (in his eyes) and the #5 pick for a LOT to protect the greatest QB ever.

What? The Bears are taking Caleb Williams and the Commanders are probably taking Jayden Daniels - 5 years at their "pay" or take on Hebert for a huge upcoming contract? Nah.


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