Alpha WR's
 

Thought I would create a thread dedicated to the Alpha WR's as there has been a lot of attention already on getting a better Mecole or MVS or tiny 140 lb slot WR's.



Alphas can't be stopped, you can only pray to contain them.


Malik Nabers

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Adonai Mitchell

Adonai Mitchell is no stranger to Georgia fans. 2nd & 18, 8:16 left in the fourth quarter, Stetson Bennett drops back and completes a 40-yard touchdown strike to Mitchell over the outstretched Alabama defender to garner Georgia the lead in the national title.
It's arguably the biggest catch in program history, and according to sources, Mitchell is only scratching the surface of his stardom. It's virtually every day at this point, Mitchell will have people within the building raving about some miraculous catch he's made, or how he caught 80% of the footballs during 11on11 scrimmages.


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Watch as Adonai takes over the game and has to be held repeatedly to avoid further embarrassment.

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Yes. We need a wr that has that attitude that MJ, Kobe or Mahomes has. They have that desire to win that’s different. Some of these prospects come across as pretty content. I’ve fallen victim to be fooled by the numbers and think we’ve got to draft for attitude and demeanor more than we have in the past. You can see that attitude rashee rice. He was upset in the Super Bowl and wanted the ball more. He was ready for the spotlight in the big moment. Give me more guys like that.

Xavier Worthy (20 y/o):

2,755 yards 26 TDs

Adonai Mitchell (22 y/o) :

1,405 yards 18 TDs


Tell me again which of these two is the "alpha" :hmmm:...

Mitchell is a similar prospect to George Pickens.

The Chiefs didn't seem to be interested in him and haven't really ever been interested in that type of guy WR

Adonai Mitchell is a top 15 talent in this draft.

Worthy I would value similar to Josh Downs last year who went in the 3rd round (and I wanted Downs then). Downs has better change of direction.

Pickens is a good comp. That's his FLOOR.

He can be way better.

I like how he has Nabers in the list when there are people that think some teams have Nabers ahead of Harrison.

Nabers will be gone early.


But he's an Alpha so had to give him a shout out in the Alphas thread.

I don't think Mitchell is half as good of a prospect as you make him out to be. We'll see how far under 4.6 he runs because I don't think it'll be by much. He also just doesn't have the physical presence to make up for it. Worthy is a far better prospect IMO and was easily the better of the two on that team, which let Mitchell get a lot of coverage rolled away from him.

Worthy is the Paris Campbell and Adonai is the Terry McLaurin on Texas.


I have already done this years ago where people said I was crazy to have Mclaurin ahead of the incredible tiny slot Parris.

Yea, I wouldn't want to talk about the drastic difference in production either...

McLaurin was a good prospect that ran fast as **** himself. That is not what you have here in Mitchell. I'd be happy with Mitchell at the bottom of 2. He's not worth discussing for me in round 1.

McLaurin ignored by the draft talking heads because the volume went through the slot at Ohio State.


I would prefer the better boundary WR who projects better at the NFL level.

That's Adonai who can be a #1 WR.

Worthy isn't a 1 or a 2 for me.

Wait… Parris was 6’ 205. How is that tiny?

I thought he weighed less coming into the league.

In any case, McLaurin was clearly the better player but every mock talked about Campbell like he was special.

Adonai struggled to get separation in the college game and really never had much YAC.

I think Worthy would be a good fit for what we're missing in the offense and is a threat to take every ball he touches to the house, plus he would be a weapon in the return game for us.

No, he did not.

Watch him vs Alabama. He scored 2 TD's and they had to grab and hold him from getting more.

I'm a Longhorns fan and watched every game he played. He struggles to get separation when the play isn't schemed to get him open -- which Sark is a master of in his offense.

LMAO


He was playing outside boundary over and over against guys that will be playing corner at the NFL level and showed a hell of a lot more than little Worthy or Franklin as to beating real corners at the next level.


Anyways, this is the Alpha thread. If you want to talk about a tiny slot or a MVS replacement there are other spots for you to promote those guys.

I'd prefer to not draft a guy that can't get open

I'd prefer you watch him play.

I embedded some videos to help you.

Yeah, I've watched enough. He's fine.

He's not the type of WR the Chiefs will prefer. I'm not sure he's gonna run very well, so we may be able to get him in the 2nd, which would be awesome.

Yeah, unfortunately our preferences created one of the worst WR corps in the NFL.

You can like Adonai and while also acknowledging that he's not a separator.

He gets open. He won't get college open at the next level.


Most of the tiny fast guys won't either though.

Nah just going to ignore the parts I dont like because im already balls deep.

Lol like **** he is. Let me know when Mitchell does anything even remotely similar to what Pickens displayed.

Dont understand the Mitchell hype at all. That's a 4th round draft pick in my eyes.

ahhh naaaah.

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He's not an anything-arator.

Wins in similar ways.

Doesn't quite do it as well.

LMAO

There are some positives. He's very fluid for his size, with great body control, and great hands.

But he damn sure isn't a separator.

I'm not a huge fan either. I think he's more of a 2nd rounder even at 32.

I also agree that Pickens was a better prospect minus the character concerns.

I thought Pickens was a 1st rounder.

Now if you want to talk about weird, MahomesMagic didn't like Pickens much. Said he wasn't a WR1.

But he loves Mitchell? Top 15 player?

I don't get it at all.

"Doesn't quite do it as well" is an understatement of epic proportions. Pickens displayed excellent body control and a real knack for fighting for the ball. While similar in size, Pickens displayed some fantastic athletic ability when the ball was in the air and seemed to all of a sudden become "more athletic" depending on the degree of difficulty of the catch.

There is simply nothing in Mitchell's "tape" that exhibits what Pickens displayed.

I expect actual NFL teams will draft Adonai higher than where Pickens went.

Fluid for his size? Sure, i'll accept that. He does pluck the ball our of the air, so yeah, good hands.

But damn, not only does he not separate, he's not a contested catch guy either. Not impressed with his body control, has some wasted motion with limbs flailing around. Not a burner, obviously. Clearly not a YAC guy either.

You'd draft him hoping he becomes Hopkins. And lord knows most WR's with that skillset never become Hopkins.

If he ends up in the NFL as some guy who can read zones and do that savvy Kelce/Hopkins shit to get open, ok fine. But damn that's a long shot.

Me? Im banking on athletic ability and that "IT" factor when i draft a WR.

But why?

Pickens had waaaaaay better "tape".

You don't have to believe me.

Watch what happens.


:thumb:

How about Keon Coleman?! I think he's the best "Alpha" WR we have a shot at!

He's young too! What really sells me on the kid is go watch his returns! ...see how he instinctually makes the immediate move after catching the ball to shake initial defenders and take off up field, like he doesn't have to think about it or he's seeing the play in slow motion. Especially slick for a 6-4 guy. ****! Our WRs can't even catch a pass when they're wide open, this kid's effortlessly one or two chess moves ahead of the field before he even touches the ball. His natural instincts and athletic ability really shine in those plays!

I like Keon more than Franklin or Worthy. But Franklin will come in more polished for his role. Keon you have to be patient to get him to a possession 1.

I don’t think size has to do with alpha. Alpha has to do with your attitude and drive. Is tyreek an alpha? Absolutely. He wants the ball in the big moment. Old Steve smith for the panthers. Yes sir. He wants to win and will fight to get it done. I don’t want a loser mentality at wr. And the fact that Texas kept drawing up plays for Adonai Mitchell in the big moments shows you something. They didn’t go to worthy and in some big games worthy dropped passes in big moments. Can the player handle the moment and have the confidence and drive to win and put that work in? If so, he’s an alpha, no matter his size. I don’t see those alpha traits in worthy. I wish I did.

Johnny Wilson is the size and Alpha we need.

Ok, let's go Alpha!

1. WR Keon Coleman
2. WR Xavier Legette
3. RB/WR Malachi Coley
4. RB Braelan Allen
5. TE Theo Johnson

^That's a physically dominant draft class!

Yeah, everyone trying to find the next MVS or Mecole or Skyy Moore when the only WR we drafted that is good in the last 6 years is a beast in Rice.

What an absolute ****ing load of shit LMAO

Also, other than DJ, I was probably the biggest Rice fan on here, so there's that.

Irony of calling WR’s an alpha and shitting on skinnier WR’s while stanning Zay Flowers who is 5’9” and had to work his ass off just to put on weight to get to 180 lbs LMAO

It's just so odd.

Dude is acting like 2 of the best rookie WRs weren't tiny last year.

Conveniently, can't find a take from him on either guy last year.

I'm not completely against this sentiment, but hard to argue that Tyreek wasn't amazing in Andy's offense and that he's partial to smaller, speedier, separators traditionally.

Because he is good.


If you are a small WR I need some Wow.

Zay is a wow player.


QJ last year was big but a clumsy oaf.

So guys that are small can be good?

Then stop pretending that they aren't good simply because they're small you disingenuous bastard.

Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

Yes, Tyreek was the most dynamic separator of all time and Veach traded him.


Please don't mention little Worthy or frail Franklin in the same sentence as the Cheetah.

DUH!

But if you are going to draft a WR that is tiny early they better WOW me.


None of the small or frail guys you are promoting for the 1st round pick are wow players.

Fair.

BTW, I had a 1st round grade on Hollywood Brown because he was dynamic.

I was too high on little KJ a few years ago so now you better be a Flowers or Addison if you are small.

Not pedestrian.

You're conveniently ignoring the second part of that post.

Worthy is a similar prospect to Hollywood. That's a good comparison, thanks.

Nope.


Not even close.

Let's define Alpha WR for a minute.

Ok, so just to be a bonafide #1 in the NFL you pretty much need 75 receptions, 1000 yards, and 6 TDs. That means you'd finish in the top 32 in each of the major statistical categories for a WR.

One way to quickly narrow that list is to see who's done it in consecutive seasons. If I pick 3 consecutive seasons as my Alpha benchmark, adjust for injury, then I should get a nice list.

Then here is your Alpha List:

A.J. Brown
CeeDee Lamb
Cooper Kupp
Davante Adams
Ja'Marr Chase
Justin Jefferson
Keenan Allen
Mike Evans
Stefon Diggs
Tyreek Hill

Chance to get 3 in a row in 2024 and become Alpha's by this definition
Amon-Ra St. Brown
Brandon Aiyuk
DeVonta Smith


You know who doesn't profile like any of these guys? :)

Worthy is bigger, so that's true.

And Flowers isn’t even a deep threat or outside boundary guy. He’s mostly a slot WR who beats teams in the intermediate level of the field.

He was never a 1st rd WR to me. I’d take Jayden Reed over him all day

I guess you could squint and hope that Mitchell became......Detox said Hopkins. Maybe that or a lesser version of Ceedee?

His physical traits aren't gonna be near that, so that's unlikely, so you're gonna have to have him be more of a feel/smart player. Hopkins probably fits.

Drafting a guy to be that is pretty meh.

Horrible take.


ROFL

Week before last years draft.

I also liked Kincaid and La Porta.

Zay is too small to be a legit outside guy. CB's eat him up if that's the case.

Just stop.


He can line top anywhere on the field and beat any corner in the NFL, including Sneed.



Not surprised that the "I hate offense" crowd hates good WR's....


;)

He's too small. Cb's get their hands on him it's pretty much end of story.

It's why the Ravens used him in bunches and motion alot this year.

Fun to talk about but FA will tell us what will tend to happen. They’re gonna get an MVS replacement and likely keep Hardman as cheap depth.

If you get someone like Mooney and keep Hardman it basically erases the need for Worthy IMO. It’s a similar role.

He's fine, Andy would use him well here.

I wouldn't have spent a 1 on him when I could get Rice in the 2nd.

Just sign Hollywood and be done with it.

Yeah, the guy who was promoting the quality of garbage like Skyy Moore and Justin Watson doesn't like the explosive playmaker.


ROFL

Yup this is how I felt. He’s 5’9” and barely 180 lbs. He’s not gonna be AB out there.

He’s not winning jump balls and burning guys down the field with 4.42 speed.

I don't remember promoting Skyy Moore for anything.

Justin Watson put up 500 yards and 3 TD's for pennies. That seems good?

Size and such will keep him from ever being more than a really good #2.

If he were able to do what he does at 6 foot and 200 pounds, you'd really have something.

No, its not good.

Your taste in WR's is AWFUL.

Justin Watson was the clown who was featured as the #1 WR against the Eagles and he choked over and over.

If chiefs don’t sign a quality FA for 12-20m per this offseason, they need to draft a WR in the first AND second round.

Justin Watson cost the Chiefs a million dollars to be their #4 WR, and put up 500 yards, 3 TDs.

That's good management of the whole thing. I can walk you thru understanding of the cap and such sometime?

Not sure how people discredit Rice or think he isn’t better than Flowers. His ceiling is higher.

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Elite YAC, one of the best young intermediate WR’s and he can win outside.

Cam Taylor-Britt is one of the best young Corners in the league and Rice cooked his ass

Cooked his ass is strong. Seems like a blown coverage?

Maybe catch the ball more than a few yards past the LOS and then we can debate him and Zay Flowers.

Till then Zay is the better player.

Alpha thread contaminated with the

I Love Punting kids.


Gross.