Left Tackles
 

Y'all want to ride with Smith for another year or give Morris a chance? Because there's probably several good to decent prospects who likely will be there when the Chiefs pick.

Not sure, yet.

All 3 of our Tackles have rated favorably on PFF for Pass Protection, but the penalties, and that Raiders game that was a complete meltdown don't pass the eye test IMO.

In the draft I like Guyton.

I’d like to see jones tagged and traded for a top 15 pick. If we can get into that 10-15 range we could take the Oregon state kid Tailese Fuanga. Move him to LT. He has the size length and athletic ability. He is great in space too.

If Smith can be signed for another year at the same price? Sure. Play him and Morris like they did this year, with Morris getting more PT as the year progresses.

Niang on the other hand has to be replaced. They don't seem to like him at (backup) guard and he does not appear to be athletic enough for NFL tackle. Or he is just way too heavy.

No one is going to give up a top 15 pick for Jones.

Really? A DT that is getting 10+ sacks a year still.

But ok

Andy loves players from BYU. This might be a good pick at the end of the first round.

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Suamaitaia is someone whose name I consistently can’t spell, but he is for sure in the bucket of players to consider at 32.

If Donovan finishes this heater with a ring…

I’d sign up for another year - AS LONG AS they believe in Wanya’s development arc as the swing tackle who is likely to play games.

Would help us rebuild at WR and DL.

I’d be happy to keep Donovan, and upgrade from Niang. Give yourself four guys capable of playing and just play the depth game. Hope they’re healthy for playoffs.

I'm intrigued by Suamataia in the 2nd but not the first. He needs a bit too much development for me.

I also feel like we had the debate last year that Andy Reid does not, in fact, take much less "love" BYU players. He's had like 2 in his entire coaching tenure and I do believe only 1 was drafted.

He measured in at 6’4” with sub 34” arms at the Sr. bowl today, though.

I would be excited if Tyler Guyton fell to our pick I think .

You want a 6'7 OT.

Yeah?

Christian Jones looking very solid at the Senior Bowl. Probably better suited as RT, but can play LT as well.

Charles Davis picked Mizzou OT Javon Foster as his single most impressive player for today’s practice at the Senior Bowl.

I want to go with Morris but draft someone to compete

I feel like Foster is a guy who could go to a Shanahan system team and really perform. Not sure he could hold up at LT for KC, though.

You might be right. All I know is that I was freaking blown away by how good Mizzou’s OL played last season. They absolutely mauled a lot of good DLs. Being a Mizzou fan, I’m sure you’d agree.

How would we feel about just brining back Prince Tega Wanogho and having him and Morris battle it out? PTW looked alright in his action at times and has the athleticism.

Man as a PTH advocate from day 1 this is tough. But I just dont think you can. It's never been a talent problem and always been an availability problem all the way back to college.

Why not D. Smith on another affordable deal and Morris? They got us to the Super Bowl this year.

No thanks

Titty Meat, I feel like I'll be lying on my death bed and recall your username then mutter a faint chuckle before I die that my family will speculate on the meaning of for generations. Thank you.

The guessing game says if you guys want what you want, there just isn't the space to do all of it. You have to give in a couple of places.

Running the scenario (I'll put below) that puts kind of a good portion of what everyone wants into a bag sans re-signing Chris Jones (extend Humprhey, Smith, and Reid, re-sign Sneed and Tranquill, and fill in the holes in the roster puts us at having to cut MVS and Omenihu plus push $30.9m Mahomes money. That's provided I'm relatively accurate with numbers, which I'm speculating aren't going to be terribly far off...

This scenario skimps at LT plus not having Jones or Gay back. If you want to sign a LT, then you must give it somewhere else. Maybe you gotta draft a LB instead of re-signing Tranquill and you don't cut Toney, etc.

Roster Moves
EXT OC Creed Humphrey 5y/67.5m w/8.75m sb (+1.75)
EXT OG Trey Smith 4y/45.0m w/7.5m sb (+1.50)
EXT SS Justin Reid 3y/42.25m w/14.0m sb + 7.0m '24 salary to add'l sb (-1.75)
RES QB Patrick Mahomes 15.90m roster bonus to signing bonus (-30.90)
REL WR Marquez Valdez-Scantling (-12.0)
REL DE Charles Omenihu (-7.22)
REL WR Kadarius Toney (+2.53)

FA Re-Signings
CB La'Jarius Sneed 4y/70.0m
P Tommy Townsend 4y/12.4m
LS James Winchester 3y/4.5m
QB Blaine Gabbert 1y/1.3m
OL Nick Allegretti 1y/2.4m (1.2 hit as 4yQC)
OT Prince Tega Wanogho 1y/1.3m
LB Drue Tranquill 2y/9.0m
DT Isaiah Buggs 1y/1.3m
DE Malik Herring ERFA Tender
DB Nazeeh Johnson ERFA Tender
LB Jack Cochrane ERFA Tender
OG Mike Caliendo ERFA Tender
LB Cole Christiansen ERFA Tender

FA Acquisitions
WR Darnell Mooney (CHI) - 2y/14.5m
WR Laviska Shenault (CAR) - 1y/1.75m
RB Chase Edmonds (TB) 2y/3.5m
DT Justin Jones (CHI) 2y/13.0m
LB Mack Wilson (NE) 1y/1.5m
DB K'Von Wallace (TEN) 1y/2.3m


Here's my estimated 2024 Cap hits...
Pos. Player " Cap
Number "
DE Malik Herring $985,000
LB Jack Cochrane $985,000
OL Mike Caliendo $915,000
DB Nazeeh Johnson $985,000
LB Cole Christiansen $915,000
LS James Winchester $1,476,666
P Tommy Townsend $2,300,000
OL Nick Allegretti $1,277,500
LB Drue Tranquill $3,345,000
QB Blaine Gabbert $1,362,500
DT Isaiah Buggs $1,300,000
OT Prince Tega Wanogho $1,300,000
WR Laviska Shenault $1,750,000
WR Darnell Mooney $5,250,000
DB K'Von Wallace $2,375,000
LB Mack Wilson $1,750,000
DT Justin Jones $6,000,000
RB Chase Edmonds $1,750,000
CB L'Jarius Sneed $14,000,000
DE Charles Omenihu $3,750,000
WR Marques Valdez-Scantling $2,000,000
OC Creed Humphrey $3,520,748
OG Trey Smith $2,587,676
SS Justin Reid $12,500,000
QB Patrick Mahomes $32,638,269
WR Kadarius Toney $2,530,842
NFL Draft Class $10,384,198
2024 Operating Cash $3,500,000

Isn't Toney's money guaranteed? Pretty sure we're on the hook for that regardless.

Honestly keeping Toney as a return specialist isn’t a bad idea especially if we are on the hook for his money this year. Then use him as a gadget guy on offense only (jet sweeps and screens).

Guys, Toney's out. For certain.

Doesn't matter what it costs us in dead cap next year.

He's out.

Name 'em.

Name all the players from BYU Andy has had on this team in his time here.

Goddamn the "Andy Loves X" stuff is just always wrong. Dude doesn't love drafting fatties (though the draft pundits have been saying he does for over a decade now). He doesn't love players from BYU.

In his ENTIRE career he's drafted one player from BYU - a guard in the 5th round for the Eagles. He loved that guy so much he cut him before the end of his rookie contract. Chad Lewis was already an Eagle before Andy got there.

How much work are you really going to let Daniel Sorensen do here? Or is it the 1 game Matt Bushman played here? Or the 7 games Zayne Anderson played.

Andy has never demonstrated any particular affinity for players from BYU - it's just lazy sportswriter tripe that's somehow been spoken into fact.

Well that idea is absolutely horrifying.

I'd cut corners literally everywhere else before I went into next season with Prince and Morris as 1a and 1b at LT. That's a recipe for the season being over before it even starts.

How about Christian Jones in the 2nd or 3rd?

Apparently he was the best OT at the Sr Bowl.

I wish I liked this year's OTs more. Its a weak FA market and imo we DO need to be looking at tackles soon. I hear it's a good year but I don't really see great depth.

I wouldn't hate Jones in the 3rd as a guy who you try at OT but probably move inside. But he may go earlier now. I think that's my thinking.

The problem we have is we already have a raw, developmental guy in Morris. I don't really see how you carry 2. I was pretty keen on trying to "fix" LT but now it seems a better bet to bring back D Smith and have Morris compete, then go for a guy later with some potential positional versatility.

I don't like any of the 'likely to be available' guys more than I liked Anton Harrison last year.

And man oh man did I look like a dipshit there. Because Harrison was hot garbage almost all season. The Jags probably would've been better served going with Walker Little at RT and drafting...about anyone else. The guy struggled biggly.

I was wrong enough there that it convinced me that I have no idea what I'm looking at with OTs. So I'm gonna just go ahead and trust the team that has Andy Reid, one of the best teachers and evaluators of O-linemen in the game, in charge of it.

That dude knows linemen. If he sees a guy he wants that I didn't - he's right and I'm wrong. If he doesn't see anybody out there worth drafting when I thought there was one - see above.

I'm out of the 'question the Chiefs approach on offensive linemen' game.

A guy who seems to be rising up boards is Patrick Paul:

From Bleach Report:
HEIGHT: 6'7"
WEIGHT: 333
HAND: 9 3/8"
ARM: 36 1/4"
WINGSPAN: 86 3/4"

POSITIVES
— Excellent length with a tight clench and strong hands to tie up defenders once latched.
— Good athletic ability with the necessary quickness and agility to get to landmarks in pass protection and intersect targets on the move as a run-blocker.
— Casts a wide net with his length that helps him impede and slow down rushers who get to his edges.
— Good stopping power and strain in his anchor to promptly dissipate the bull rush.
— Brings an edgy, chippy play personality and finishes through the echo of the whistle.

NEGATIVES
— Upright playing style with an exposed chest and a propensity to hold defenders due to late, looping hand placement that results in his hands landing high and wide on target.
— Needs to do a better job of maximizing length and keeping defenders at his fingertips rather than allowing them access into his frame.
— Head dips into overextension on angle-drive/base blocks against post-snap movement across his face.
— Bad habit of drifting and oversetting on angled/45-degree sets, creating a soft inside shoulder against counter moves.
— Can get a little lazy at the top of the quarterback's drop, letting his pads rise before falling off late inside moves.
2023 STATISTICS
— 12 starts at left tackle
— Team captain

NOTES
— Born November 1, 2000
— 3-star tackle recruit in 2019 class
— Moved from the defensive to offensive line as a senior in high school
— 44 career starts at left tackle
— Started the first two games of his redshirt freshman season in 2020 before missing the remainder of the season with a foot/ankle injury
— Older brother is Chris Paul, whom the Commanders selected in the seventh round in the 2022 NFL draft

Christian Jones looks like a solid RT option to me. Not sure I like his prospects on the left. I think the same about Javon Foster for the most part though I might give him a shot at LT first. If I were grabbing a RT, I really like Blake Fisher form Notre dame better than both those guys.

Paul is going to need at least a year, if not longer, to reach NFL strength and technique. Any scouting report that talks about the kid's "power" would be horseshit in my opinion. I'll be surprised if he isn't a 3rd rounder. Maybe someone reaches in the 2nd hoping he ascends quickly but I just don't think he's that type of player. I think his rating is grossly overstated. I also dont' particularly love how guys from Houston translate to the NFL on the regular, which compounds my questions otherwise.

The guys I most like as potential LTs we might have a shot at are Mims (he's going to need some work though), Guyton, Suamataia, and Amegadjie.

Guyton seems to be the one most likely to be available to us who might be a nice fit here. I've seen some folks suggest Fuaga will get that far but I'm not seeing it.

The Yale kid seems kinda interesting as an early 3rd day developmental possibility but man its just so rare to get anything out of those guys, especially at LT.

Tackle seems to be a position that most teams have a pretty solid feel for. If you can do it, you'll go no later than Day 2.

Yeah if it makes you feel better I was at least as wrong as you were on Harrison. And yes, feels like the fair approach to trust in Reid. I'm going to pretend Kinnard didn't happen though. A rare miss.

The Yale guy seems to have rocketed up boards. He looked like a R3 guy but now I'm seeing him go R2. In all honesty it takes me back to my original thinking. The depth probably isn't all it was made out to be.

Eh.

No such thing as a 'miss' on the 3rd day. It was a completely reasonable stab (I loved it, though I never thought he could play the left side). Just didn't work out.

Most of those 3rd day picks won't.

I don't much care for any of the options available to us, I'd give Wanya an offseason and see what happens.

He's not as much rocketing up as he is returning from the rocket down when he got injured this year. There were some chattering about 1st round potential. He's athletic as hell with absolutely elite arm length and is solid in both facets. The only concern, really, is level of competition because you can coach up the technique flaws.

I've been contemplating the juggling of balls here between WR, DT, and OT. I'd have no reservations saying that I'd hope for him in the 2nd round, especially if DT is adequately resolved in FA. The major sticker is what does Reid and Co think of Wanya Morris? We don't think highly as a collective but that may not be what the brass thinks.

Yeah - I'm almost always late to the table on guys with bad platform years because I can't claim to be so looped in that I remember what happened with those dudes their junior years.

Someone like 'Tez Walker is a bit of an outlier for me but mostly because I looked him up when all the news was swirling around him in NC so I had him on my radar already.

But thats why I had no idea who Danna was when we took him - I had no working knowledge of his Junior year until people started talking about it after we drafted him and I could see why we did what we did.

And we know how thorough Veach is on those guys (it's how he got Sneed as well). So if the Yale kid had a great Junior tape and struggled as a Senior, you're probably right - the Chiefs are probably all over him. They're really really good at digging deeper on a lot of these kids.

If he's got long arms and is athletic.....yeah, lets do that.

Am I the only one that thinks Kingsley Suamataia should be in the conversation in round 1?

I think I'd be fine with him at the end of 1. He's not as polished as his cousin and he hasn't developed enough of an anchor yet, but I think the tools are just as much there you just have to coach him up alot more.

If we're going off reactions from 1 game last nights spoke loudly

I wonder if we take a right tackle in the mid rounds this year to give us the option to move on from Taylor after next season. We can save 15 million in cap space if we cut him in 2025.

I think so

You mean the guy who just played lights out in the Super Bowl?

Some people just make up their minds and that's the end of it...

Without a doubt the dude looked worth the money last night. And has been good in the playoffs.

I have no idea what you think I have my mind made up on.

Seems to me that it's proactive roster management to consistently use mid round picks at the most expensive positions on the field to see if we can't develop guys into future cap savings. We'd save $20 million by moving on from him a season earlier than his contract ends.

Very intrigued by the Yale guy as well.

Did he play Senior Bowl or just practice? Because the athletic profile looks promising but agree that its comes down to how he plays against competition which you won't see at Yale.

We'd save $15 million and be rolling with Waynya Morris and a 2nd year OT. When we've seen very little to indicate that even Morris is a starting OT.

You don't cut quality young players who are entering the primes of their career unless they're negative assets on your balance sheet. Taylor won't be.

There are a lot of large, athletic, powerful but very raw OTs in this class.

If you're going OT in the first, it's a scouting/coaching decision. There's not gonna be a slam-dunk pick at that point in the draft. But you can probably find a guy with the tools to play LT (not a lot of dudes have those) and attempt to coach them up over the coming season.

I agree, there's some quality depth and guys that could develop.

How about Dominich Puni from KU? 90.5% pass protection grade on PFF, he's young too. Christian Jones showed out at the Sr Bowl. Jalen Sundell from North Dokota 89.7% pass protection grade. Javon Foster had the the most consistent 80%+ overall performance grade over a 3 year period. Mel Kiper likes Isaiah Adams from Illinois. I've mentioned Zion as a reclamation project also.

But I'm curious which of these OTs that might be available at the bottom of the 1st is a plug and play starter game 1 next season?

Does anyone have a list of the 5-10 LT prospects? Most of the lists I’ve looked at have RTs in there and we probably don’t need a RT early. I’d like to see a list of LTs if anyone has a list of just the top LTs.

Do you want it as purely college LTs and college RTs or LT to include potential moves from RT to LT?

I'm not sure Puni's an OT at the next level. At least probably not a LT. I dunno that I see the length or athleticism to pull it off.

That said, in the 3rd round, a guy who might be an OT but can be a really safe bet to convert to a strong pass-blocking IOL wouldn't be the worst outcome. But I don't think you've 'solved' the OT problem with him or any of the rest of the guys you've mentioned there. Adams as a late 3rd day pick is intriguing from a developmental standpoint but I think you're looking at a 2 year development period there.

"Solving the LT problem" is....well we all know what that's probably gonna take.

It's either a shot in the dark mid tier draft guy you develop, you pay top dollar for one, or you trade up and take one.

I'd say here's at least a good list to start from bubb... I can leave you to then make your determinations.

LT Prospects
1. Joe Alt, Notre Dame
2. Olu Fashanu, Penn State
3. Kingsley Suamataia, BYU
4. Javon Foster, Missouri
5. Kiran Amegadjie, Yale
6. Patrick Paul, Houston
7. Brandon Coleman, TCU
8. Zion Nelson, Miami
9. Julian Pearl, Illinois
10. Nathan Thomas, Louisiana

RT Prospects
1. JC Latham, Alabama
2. Taliese Fuaga, Oregon State
3. Amarius Mims, Georgia (LT conversion chatter)
4. Tyler Guyton, Oklahoma (LT conversion chatter)
5. Blake Fisher, Notre Dame
6. Christian Jones, Texas
7. Roger Rosengarten, Washington
8. Matt Gonclaves, Pitt
9. Andrew Coker, TCU
10. Garret Greenfield, South Dakota State

OTs that will more than likely be OG/OCs
1. Troy Fautanu, Washington
2. Jordan Morgan, Arizona
3. Graham Barton, Duke
4. Sataoa Laumea, Utah
5. Dominick Puni, Kansas
6. Delmar Glaze, Maryland
7. LaDarius Henderson, Michigan
8. Gottlieb Ayedze, Maryland

How good would Joe Alt look in KC?

Stop winning SBs and those are the kinds of dreams you can have.

Donovan Smith is gone (he would not resign for this years contract) as it was a prove it deal coming off injury. I would bet they would draft a developmental tackle in rd 2 or 3, Niang can play RT (doesn't paly inside), Wanya Morris can play LT (he'll have an entire year in the off season program) and they they look for a street FA for depth.

Cap is going to be tight especially if they get CJ and LS back

Gonclaves and Greenfield seem to fit the general arm length although Greenfield is 24 (so he will likely fall in the draft)

Here's an update. If you think I'm off or not looking at someone, put it out there. I forget more than I remember anymore.

LT Prospects
1. Joe Alt, Notre Dame
2. Olu Fashanu, Penn State
3. Troy Fautanu, Washington
4. Tyler Guyton, Oklahoma
5. Kingsley Suamataia, BYU
6. Kiran Amegadjie, Yale
7. Patrick Paul, Houston
8. Brandon Coleman, TCU
9. Zion Nelson, Miami

RT Prospects
1. JC Latham, Alabama
2. Taliese Fuaga, Oregon State
3. Amarius Mims, Georgia (maybe LT conversion)
4. Blake Fisher, Notre Dame
5. Matt Goncalves, Pitt
6. Javon Foster, Missouri
7. Caeden Wallace, Penn State
8. Christian Jones, Texas
9. Walter Rouse, Oklahoma

OTs that will more than likely be OG/OCs
Jordan Morgan, Arizona
Graham Barton, Duke
Sataoa Laumea, Utah
Roger Rosengarten, Washington
Dominick Puni, Kansas
Garret Greenfield, South Dakota State
Delmar Glaze, Maryland
LaDarius Henderson, Michigan
Gottlieb Ayedze, Maryland
Nathan Thomas, Louisiana
Tylan Grable, UCF

Probably UDFAs
Julian Pearl, Illinois
Andrew Coker, TCU
Frank Crum, Wyoming
Josiah Ezirim, Eastern Kentucky
Ethan Driskell, Marshall
Anim Dankwah, Howard

Guyton is a RT.

Fautanu is the only guy worth a lick that I would draft over a receiver. I don't think he falls that low, though.

I'd swap Suamataia and Guyton. And I think Guyton and Mims are both viewed as LT because of their athletic ability by NFL teams. Other than that, looks pretty good.

I'm hopeful that one of Fautanu or Suamataia will fall to the end of the 1st round. Everyone can't go in the first, after all...

It's also possible that as previously thought, Taylor could play LT. Morris played both sides in college. If they take another in the early rounds, they might just roll and sort it out in camp.

Amarius Mims is intriguing to me. He appears to be a freak athlete for his size. His talent and size are generational. He’s only started 8 games though. I think I’d roll the dice and trade up to around 25 if he fell that far though. He’s gotta be better Orlando brown. Would you trade up for Mims?

Mims coming in at 6-foot-7 3/4 and 340 pounds. Mims showcased his unique athleticism. Mims clocked an impressive unofficial time of 5.07 during the 40-yard dash. His freakish build was on display with 11 1/4″ hands, 36 and 1/8″ arms and an 86 and 3/4″ wingspan. He posted a 25 1/2″ vertical jump and a 9’3″ broad jump. Mims is built solid.

FWIW Tony Pauline said we are very high on Jordan Morgan. Idk much about Pauline though

We don't have the picks to trade up

Short arms - probably not a prospect that we would look at to play LT

I'm coming around on Patrick Paul, any chance he's there at #64 with a 9.96 RAS?

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2024/...-met-with-team

I see we're not the biggest fans from previous posts.

I don't see him that low but NFL stock exchange mocked him to us twice at 64.

I can't understate how enamored I am with trading up for Fautanu if he gets to 16. If somehow a team prefers him to Fashanu and he falls to that range, I'm all in. It would definitely take a 2nd plus, unless we can get the pick from Atlanta at 43.

With guards making $20 million now, I'd say a guy like Morgan, who's worst case scenario is a premium guard, IMO, is worthwhile if available at 32. Maybe his arms are too short for LT but hey, Mitch Schwartz had almost identical length and he was an All Pro caliber RT. If that's who Morgan is, you're more than happy with that pick.

If a great player falls because he MIGHT not be a LT, I think you have to keep him high on your board when the odds are pretty good that he's going to be a very good RT or G.

Thanks for the list, Crow. I still like mims the best around 20 if we can trade up for him. Mims is probably the 5th or 6th tackle off the board and that should give us the opportunity to trade up for him. If he didn’t have injury problems, he’s a top 5 pick most years with more experience. We just don’t get the opportunity to draft athletes like that with where we pick. It’s risky. I get it but if he pans out, he’s our LT for a decade. I’d try and draft Mims and let him compete with a veteran. Maybe push Morris inside if he can’t win the LT competition. Mims, Morris and a veteran could compete for the LT job.

Has anyone given thought to whether or not Josh Jones would be a FA fit?

Opinions?