The NFLPA says injury rates are significantly higher on artificial turf than on grass
A pretty bad look for the NFL. Glad Arrowhead has a grass field. Seems like a big key to our success this past half-decade has been good fortune on the injury front. I can't imagine a team making the conscious decision to opt for the "more injuries" approach.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...grass-in-2022/
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exception to the rule-Arizona
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Artificial turf needs to be banned. It's a blight on the sport.
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So is this because the surface is harder when a player lands on it?
Or because the surface provides a better grip for footwear and instead of the foot losing grip a knee blows out? Or both? I've always wondered whether on indoor artificial turf fields if you restricted the sort of cleats players could wear, so that at some point their foot would slip instead of their knee blowing out, would that improve player safety? |
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All good questions. I have no idea. I look forward to the discussion though.
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The faster surface doesn't give, so when a player cuts, pretty much all the torque concentrates in the ankle/knee or particularly when a defender grabs a ball-carrier and adds their momentum/weight to those joints, and eventually the soft tissues have to tear. |
It's the actual type of turf used I believe they found.
There are different ones that are better. |
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They won't do it though. Titans are in process of replacing grass with turf right now. Guess they felt that they could benefit from having fewer healthy players on game day. |
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Well considering Turf varies widely I don't know how to could make that argument.
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The NFL, and the global stage it occupies, is a whole different ballgame. They can't afford to have their stars sidelined every year due to injuries. |
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Turf has always been more dangerous than grass. Maybe there's some technological advancement that came along in the last few years, but since the first turf field hosted a game, turf has always caused more injuries than natural grass, for the reasons stated above. It makes you a bit faster, allows players to cut faster, and generally be more athletic, but it comes at the cost of more soft tissue injuries. |
This is a slippery slope imo. Of course artificial turf is a little more injury prone. But what also causes probably even more injuries? A 17th game. Thursday Night football where players are able to get little rest. Playing games in subzero temps. Using existing helmets compared to more cumbersome ones they could opt to use.
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I don't enjoy watching turf games. I want to see grass and mudd in helmets and on jerseys.
That said, they should go further and look at WHERE the most injuries are happening. Are there 2-3 stadiums where most of the knee injuries happen? Is it a certain style of turf or field turf? That's something that SHOULD be done and the league should require a change if it's the case. |
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Grass was far cheaper with with the 4 month season we play and we live in a desert. Now, if you have a stadium that gets pounded over and over with activities other than football turf will hold up better during the year. |
As someone who designs stadiums and fields....synthetic turf isn't going anywhere.
The crumb rubber and all artificial infills will be gone in the next 10 years and replaced with organic infills. The European Union has banned them in new fields. That is the only thing that will be going away.... |
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We figured on 40-50k/ year average for artificial turf (considering 10 years at 500k per cycle). |
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The reason why natural turf is no longer viable is because of the durability as you pointed out. Stadiums these days are very seldom used just for one sports. The athletic surfaces get used daily...multiple times a day and natural turf cannot withstand this sort of use. Heavy use of the natural turf field would result in compaction of the duff layer and subgrade making gmax and HIC values difficult to achieve on game day. |
Many injuries on synthetic turf fields are a result of the field crews adding too much infill resulting in a soft field. Soft fields lead to lower body injuries. This is what was happening 5 or so years ago in New England when like 5 players blew out their knees on one of their practice fields. It was later found their practice field had a shock pad AND crumb rubber which results in a spongy field.
As mentioned, the crumb rubber is being replace with organic infills which in turn require a shock pad to meet HIC requirements. New England used both...because they didnt know what they were doing. |
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Meh, just have two sets of grass. One just for NFL football, and the other for everything else. Problem solved. Turf sucks.
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There also needs to be consequences for rolling out shitty grass fields. Asm global maintains the turf for both Arizona and Chicago and it’s more than a little interesting that the chiefs played on 3 of the shittiest fields imaginable (2x in Arizona, once in Chicago preseason) from the same provider
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Now its used pretty much everyday. |
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But existing indoor stadiums won't have that option. And I wonder if roll out fields work as well in cold climates? |
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Plus, one football game on a wet field ruins grass for the other teams and the rest of the season. Only need one field for soccer, lacrosse, all JV and Varsity sports. |
I'm surprised that grass isn't related to more injuries since Nick Bolton and Willie Gay play most of their games on grass.
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You'd figure that softer would be a little better, but yikes. |
if the NFL cared like they claim to, they would force proper fields and ban this shit that players get injured on way more often. They are a mega billion dollar business, there's no excuse.
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The NFL's solution?
More Thursday night games! |
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They've been growing grass under artificial lighting for decades
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Pretty obvious. |
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That seems fairly straightforward if it would help protect knees. |
You can't beat grass PERIOD You would think these owners would pay a little more in maintenance to protect their HUGE INVESTMENTS;)
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Vikings changing artificial turfs, cite better injury data
EAGAN, Minn. -- U.S. Bank Stadium, the home of the Minnesota Vikings, will become the latest NFL facility to replace its playing surface with a version of artificial turf that rates better in injury data. The Minnesota Sports Facilities Authority, which owns and operates the stadium, approved a $1.3 million bid for the project Thursday. It will replace the slit-film turf, which is associated with the highest rate of lower extremity noncontact injuries among the types of artificial turfs used in NFL stadiums, based on data compiled by the NFL and NFL Players Association's joint surfaces committee. In its place, the MSFA will install a monofilament version called Act Global Xtreme Turf DX. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...er-injury-data |
Not all artificial turf is the same and they have made advancements recently in artificial turf.
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MPLS article--prob ditto from above
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also, think about how many High schools etc play on turf.
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I was at the xmas party thing they have at Arrowhead last week and you could see the grow lights on the field with wheels. Field all tarped off. Wonder how much the yearly maintenance costs for having real grass is
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That piece of shit field in NY/New Jersey was behind a bunch of season ending injuries from achillies to acl's
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