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RunKC 04-14-2022 03:38 PM

Rank the edge rushers
 
Surprised nobody has done this yet. Who are your top 10 edge rushers for this team?

Yes you can start the list with guys we clearly can’t get

staylor26 04-14-2022 04:11 PM

1. Hutchinson
2. Thibodeaux
3. Walker
4. Johnson
5. Karlaftis
6. Ojabo
7. Mafe
8. Williams
9. Thomas
10. Jackson
11. Enagbare
12. Paschal

Left Ebiketie out, because I don’t think they will see him as a fit. If they do, he’d be after Mafe.

kccrow 04-14-2022 04:53 PM

1. A. Hutchinson
2. K. Thibodeaux
3. T. Walker
4. J. Johnson
5. G. Karlaftis
6. B. Mafe
7. D. Ojabo
8. A. Ebiketie
9. D. Jackson
10. S. Williams
11. L. Hall
12. C. Thomas
13. K. Enagbare
14. A. Barno
15. M. Sanders

Wasn't quite sure where to slot Ojabo. I just think he's an aside to the board dependent upon what they've done up to that point. I just can't fathom they'll take him as their first stab at ER but might take him if they've already locked one up.

RunKC 04-14-2022 05:11 PM

Man I don’t get the lack of Ebeketie hype. Dude was 6’3” 256 lbs at the combine. Long arms.

Skimmed down a bit for pro day to get 4.65 40 and a 6.95 3 cone.

Dude is really good. He could be an excellent speed rusher who needs to put on a bit of muscle as a rookie but that’s okay IMO.

He just got better and better going from Temple to Penn St to replace Jayson Oweh

staylor26 04-14-2022 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16246503)
Man I don’t get the lack of Ebeketie hype. Dude was 6’3” 256 lbs at the combine. Long arms.

Skimmed down a bit for pro day to get 4.65 40 and a 6.95 3 cone.

Dude is really good. He could be an excellent speed rusher who needs to put on a bit of muscle as a rookie but that’s okay IMO.

He just got better and better going from Temple to Penn St to replace Jayson Oweh

Hey, if they feel he’s a fit, then by all means. I like the player.

But when he shows up to his Pro Day at 240lbs, it’s kind of hard to assume he checks enough boxes for Spags.

If they feel he’s a fit, I can see him as high as 8.

Even though I would have Thomas and Williams above him, I don’t think they go before him.

If they go EDGE, and it’s not Karlaftis, Mafe, Ojabo or a huge trade up, it’s probably Ebiketie.

staylor26 04-14-2022 05:17 PM

Actually, I take that back.

If he’s a fit, go ahead and put him ahead of Thomas and Williams at 8 for me.

kccrow 04-14-2022 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16246503)
Man I don’t get the lack of Ebeketie hype. Dude was 6’3” 256 lbs at the combine. Long arms.

Skimmed down a bit for pro day to get 4.65 40 and a 6.95 3 cone.

Dude is really good. He could be an excellent speed rusher who needs to put on a bit of muscle as a rookie but that’s okay IMO.

He just got better and better going from Temple to Penn St to replace Jayson Oweh

I did briefly mention in another thread that he's not much shorter than Frank Clark, he's just alot lighter. Ebiketie is 6'2-3/8" whereas Clark is 6'2-7/8" but you're looking at Ebiketie was 250 at the combine and Clark was 271. The thing with Ebiketie, and why I haven't dismissed him, is he's got 34-1/8" arms. Clark was 34-3/8". Ebiketie is also relatively high cut, so he has longer legs to get leverage to go with those incredibly long arms for his height. If you can put 10-15 pounds on that kid, I think you have a guy that can play in a 4-3. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see KC pick him.

We got guys talking about double-dipping in round 1, I wouldn't mind seeing a move up for Karlaftis or Johnson to play SDE and take this kid at 30 to play WDE. Hell, if you want to stay pat, take him and Mafe and 29 and 30.

staylor26 04-14-2022 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16246517)
I did briefly mention in another thread that he's not much shorter than Frank Clark, he's just alot lighter. Ebiketie is 6'2-3/8" whereas Clark is 6'2-7/8" but you're looking at Ebiketie was 250 at the combine and Clark was 271. The thing with Ebiketie, and why I haven't dismissed him, is he's got 34-1/8" arms. Clark was 34-3/8". Ebiketie is also relatively high cut, so he has longer legs to get leverage to go with those incredibly long arms for his height. If you can put 10-15 pounds on that kid, I think you have a guy that can play in a 4-3. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see KC pick him.

We got guys talking about double-dipping in round 1, I wouldn't mind seeing a move up for Karlaftis or Johnson to play SDE and take this kid at 30 to play WDE. Hell, if you want to stay pat, take him and Mafe and 29 and 30.

You think Mafe can play SDE?

RunKC 04-14-2022 05:28 PM

I think the draft is so deep there you just have so many options. Ebeketie and a Williams will both be available at 50. I bet one will be available at 62.

Ebeketie was 256 at the combine and 247 at his pro day. That’s not that bad IMO

Honestly you’re giving up something withers guys. Mafe and Karlafris have short arms, Ojabo is an unknown due to injury. I don’t mind taking a guy like Ebeketie and having him be a 3rd down rusher this year then bulking him up (he has the frame for it) bc he has the everything else we want. Sam Williams is in range for everything as well. He just has character concerns (charges dropped).

I just don’t see a big difference between these players:

5. G. Karlaftis
6. B. Mafe
7. D. Ojabo
8. A. Ebiketie
9. D. Jackson
10. S. Williams

kccrow 04-14-2022 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16246521)
You think Mafe can play SDE?

Maybe I shouldn't say SDE, because Spags really just plays guys at LDE or RDE. He's got length issues, so I think LDE puts him against RTs that have a better chance of having a little less length against him and his athleticism should be more of a problem for those guys. He's also unlikely to get guard help coming over on him being next to Jones. So yes, I can see it, especially if he can bulk up a bit more and get in that 270 range.

staylor26 04-14-2022 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16246579)
Maybe I shouldn't say SDE, because Spags really just plays guys at LDE or RDE. He's got length issues, so I think LDE puts him against RTs that have a better chance of having a little less length against him and his athleticism should be more of a problem for those guys. He's also unlikely to get guard help coming over on him being next to Jones. So yes, I can see it, especially if he can bulk up a bit more and get in that 270 range.

Fair enough, and agreed on LDE/RDE, but he clearly has a type for both.

I’ve wondered whether a pairing like Mafe and Ojabo or Williams could work, because all of those guys project better to RDE/WDE.

RunKC 04-14-2022 10:43 PM

I like Williams as much as anyone. I think he’s a day 1 impact player.

Look at how much trouble he gave Charles Cross?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ole Miss Edge Sam Williams with some really nice reps v. Charles Cross. Speed! <a href="https://t.co/liZ6N92OZq">pic.twitter.com/liZ6N92OZq</a></p>&mdash; Bobby Skinner (@BobbySkinner_) <a href="https://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1509334096014725123?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

JPH83 04-15-2022 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16246472)
1. A. Hutchinson
2. K. Thibodeaux
3. T. Walker
4. J. Johnson
5. G. Karlaftis
6. B. Mafe
7. D. Ojabo
8. A. Ebiketie
9. D. Jackson
10. S. Williams
11. L. Hall
12. C. Thomas
13. K. Enagbare
14. A. Barno
15. M. Sanders

Wasn't quite sure where to slot Ojabo. I just think he's an aside to the board dependent upon what they've done up to that point. I just can't fathom they'll take him as their first stab at ER but might take him if they've already locked one up.

No Bonitto? Or are you counting him as a LB? He's a better rusher than a number here imo

kccrow 04-15-2022 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16247125)
No Bonitto? Or are you counting him as a LB? He's a better rusher than a number here imo

I don't think he's going to be a guy the Chiefs target because of length and scheme fit. I like him, it's not personal. :)

If KC ran a 3-4 I'd be jumping up and down for Ebiketie at 30 and give strong consideration to Bonitto at 62 (although might still prefer Sam Williams).

Jamie 04-15-2022 03:37 AM

These are Chris Simms's rankings. His track record is somewhat mixed, but I think he's interesting because he's maybe the only draft media guy who totally ignores consensus.

1) Aidan Hutchinson
2) Travon Walker
3) Jermaine Johnson II
4) George Karlaftis
5) Nik Bonitto
6) Joshua Paschal
7) Kayvon Thibodeaux

Honorable mentions: Dominique Robinson, Sam Williams, David Ojabo

Listening to the podcast, he thinks Edge is the best position in the draft overall, both in terms of depth and strength at the top. He sees Hutchinson and Walker as the two best players in the draft, Johnson as a top 10 pick, and Karlaftis as top 20.

RunKC 04-15-2022 07:09 AM

Like I said after the first 4 these guys are not at all far apart.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Paschal&#39;s current ranking on the consensus board is 82. <br><br>He would be an incredible third-round pick for a team needing a base 4-3 LDE. <a href="https://t.co/5MHTwtotCr">https://t.co/5MHTwtotCr</a></p>&mdash; Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) <a href="https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1514602974273626114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

O.city 04-15-2022 07:29 AM

I read about Paschal a bit the other day. Interesting guy.

Think he'd be a good SDE opposite Brian Burns after we trade for him.

RunKC 04-15-2022 08:19 AM

Early 2nd rd? Not so sure about that

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JPaschalx?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JPaschalx</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft</a> stock rising 👀📈<br><br>📺 <a href="https://twitter.com/PSchrags?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PSchrags</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflnetwork</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/gmfb?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GMFB</a> <a href="https://t.co/OSsqAJvQQw">pic.twitter.com/OSsqAJvQQw</a></p>&mdash; Kentucky Football (@UKFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/UKFootball/status/1513955538278756355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Toad 04-15-2022 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16247030)
I like Williams as much as anyone. I think he’s a day 1 impact player.

Totally Agree.

staylor26 04-15-2022 09:26 AM

I’ve been trying to tell y’all about Paschal for months.

About time!

The Franchise 04-15-2022 09:37 AM

There are a good number of edge rushers that I would be happy with in the draft. I'm not really hung up on one or two guys.

O.city 04-15-2022 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16247267)
I read about Paschal a bit the other day. Interesting guy.

Think he'd be a good SDE opposite Brian Burns after we trade for him.

Everyone just gonna go on without a comment eh?

kccrow 04-15-2022 09:59 AM

I like Paschal, personally. My real question though is, do you all think the Chiefs are going to even remotely consider risking Eric Berry Part II?

The question posed by the OP was "for this team" and not "your favorites/rankings."

RunKC 04-15-2022 10:41 AM

I have never seen such a good edge class in my life. There’s so much opportunity there for us.
Having so many picks will really help jump start this thing too

TambaBerry 04-15-2022 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16247612)
I have never seen such a good edge class in my life. There’s so much opportunity there for us.
Having so many picks will really help jump start this thing too

Exactly why I am really against trading up

TambaBerry 04-15-2022 10:59 AM

I really feel like you could grab Ojabo in the first and not feel bad about it. Then take another one at 50

chiefforlife 04-15-2022 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 16247641)
Exactly why I am really against trading up

Me too, more and more against trading up.

BUT I hope the explore it and have some possibilities lined up. Just in case there is a run on Edge that no one expected or WR for that matter.

Id like to see Edge/WR in the first and Im warming up to the double dipping idea of taking two Edge in round one. Especially if they take Ojabo as one of them.

kccrow 04-15-2022 11:12 AM

How would you guys feel if KC didn't take an edge until 62?

The Franchise 04-15-2022 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247673)
How would you guys feel if KC didn't take an edge until 62?

That all depends on who they took at 29, 30 and 50....and then what edge they took at 62.

Throw up some scenarios and I'll tell you if I had broken my TV by that point.

htismaqe 04-15-2022 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 16247641)
Exactly why I am really against trading up

This.

kccrow 04-15-2022 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16247678)
That all depends on who they took at 29, 30 and 50....and then what edge they took at 62.

Throw up some scenarios and I'll tell you if I had broken my TV by that point.

Here's a few I was thinking could happen

1-26. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia (KC 1-29, 4-135, 7-251 for TEN 1-26)
1-30. George Pickens, WR, Georgia
2-38. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor (KC 2-50, 3-103, 23 5th for NYJ 2-38)


1-29. George Pickens, WR, Georgia
1-30. Jalen Pitre S, Baylor
2-50. Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington


1-29. George Pickens, WR, Georgia
1-30. Travis Jones, DT, Connecticut
2-38. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor (KC 2-50, 3-103, 23 5th for NYJ 2-38)

chiefforlife 04-15-2022 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247673)
How would you guys feel if KC didn't take an edge until 62?

Id be really surprised. I guess it would depend on what they did with the first three picks? Did they trade all three to move up? Wouldnt like that and be even more disappointed that we had to wait until 62 to pick an Edge.

If they were able to get say Kyle Hamilton, Burks and Pickens with the first three, I would understand having to wait on the Edge.

I guess I just cant see them waiting that long for our biggest need?

The Franchise 04-15-2022 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247692)
Here's a few I was thinking could happen

1-26. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia (KC 1-29, 4-135, 7-251 for TEN 1-26)
1-30. George Pickens, WR, Georgia
2-38. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor (KC 2-50, 3-103, 23 5th for NYJ 2-38)


1-29. George Pickens, WR, Georgia
1-30. Jalen Pitre S, Baylor
2-50. Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington


1-29. George Pickens, WR, Georgia
1-30. Travis Jones, DT, Connecticut
2-38. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor (KC 2-50, 3-103, 23 5th for NYJ 2-38)

Who's the edge at 62?

kccrow 04-15-2022 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16247696)
Who's the edge at 62?

Haven't come to terms with him being available or not but I was thinking Drake Jackson.

If not, Sam Williams.

chiefforlife 04-15-2022 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247692)
Here's a few I was thinking could happen

1-26. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia (KC 1-29, 4-135, 7-251 for TEN 1-26)
1-30. George Pickens, WR, Georgia
2-38. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor (KC 2-50, 3-103, 23 5th for NYJ 2-38)


1-29. George Pickens, WR, Georgia
1-30. Jalen Pitre S, Baylor
2-50. Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington


1-29. George Pickens, WR, Georgia
1-30. Travis Jones, DT, Connecticut
2-38. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor (KC 2-50, 3-103, 23 5th for NYJ 2-38)


While those are pretty good, we have neglected our biggest need. Like Franchise said, who did we get at 62?

htismaqe 04-15-2022 11:27 AM

I like Drake Jackson a lot at 62. Would be a fine pick there.

The Franchise 04-15-2022 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247702)
Haven't come to terms with him being available or not but I was thinking Drake Jackson.

If not, Sam Williams.

I think if you wait until 62 for Jackson or Williams....then one of those first 3 picks has to be used on a DT. This defensive line needs more than just one pick out of the first four.

chiefforlife 04-15-2022 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247702)
Haven't come to terms with him being available or not but I was thinking Drake Jackson.

If not, Sam Williams.

I like both of those guys, thats something I could live with.

Pretty risky waiting that long though.

kccrow 04-15-2022 11:38 AM

I keep looking at Wyatt, Pickens, and Pitre as the 3 the Chiefs could really want. They've met with Pickens and Wyatt at the Combine and on 30 visits. There was chatter about smoke around Pitre around the combine and he's as close to a Mathieu clone as it gets but he's a bit bigger and models some of his game after him.

I think they'd have to get up a bit for Wyatt but I've come off going to 21. I think it's more like get in front of GB at 28. I'd be more inclined to think they'd wait for Pickens than Pitre after thinking about it a bit. Also think Williams is there in 3.

so, what if it was:

1-26. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia (KC 1-29, 4-135, 7-251 for TEN 1-26)
1-30. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor
2-38. George Pickens, WR, Georgia (KC 2-50, 3-103, 23 5th for NYJ 2-38)
2-62. Drake Jackson, DE, USC
3-94. Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss
4-121. Erik Ezukanma, WR, Texas Tech

TambaBerry 04-15-2022 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247721)
I keep looking at Wyatt, Pickens, and Pitre as the 3 the Chiefs could really want. They've met with Pickens and Wyatt at the Combine and on 30 visits. There was chatter about smoke around Pitre around the combine and he's as close to a Mathieu clone as it gets but he's a bit bigger and models some of his game after him.

I think they'd have to get up a bit for Wyatt but I've come off going to 21. I think it's more like get in front of GB at 28. I'd be more inclined to think they'd wait for Pickens than Pitre after thinking about it a bit. Also think Williams is there in 3.

so, what if it was:

1-26. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia (KC 1-29, 4-135, 7-251 for TEN 1-26)
1-30. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor
2-38. George Pickens, WR, Georgia (KC 2-50, 3-103, 23 5th for NYJ 2-38)
2-62. Drake Jackson, DE, USC
3-94. Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss
4-121. Erik Ezukanma, WR, Texas Tech

If you want a Mathieu clone check out Marcus Jones of Houston

chiefforlife 04-15-2022 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247721)
I keep looking at Wyatt, Pickens, and Pitre as the 3 the Chiefs could really want. They've met with Pickens and Wyatt at the Combine and on 30 visits. There was chatter about smoke around Pitre around the combine and he's as close to a Mathieu clone as it gets but he's a bit bigger and models some of his game after him.

I think they'd have to get up a bit for Wyatt but I've come off going to 21. I think it's more like get in front of GB at 28. I'd be more inclined to think they'd wait for Pickens than Pitre after thinking about it a bit. Also think Williams is there in 3.

so, what if it was:

1-26. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia (KC 1-29, 4-135, 7-251 for TEN 1-26)
1-30. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor
2-38. George Pickens, WR, Georgia (KC 2-50, 3-103, 23 5th for NYJ 2-38)
2-62. Drake Jackson, DE, USC
3-94. Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss
4-121. Erik Ezukanma, WR, Texas Tech

Thats damn good!

I would be so nervous waiting that long for Edge but if it happened, Genius!

Coogs 04-15-2022 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247721)
I keep looking at Wyatt, Pickens, and Pitre as the 3 the Chiefs could really want. They've met with Pickens and Wyatt at the Combine and on 30 visits. There was chatter about smoke around Pitre around the combine and he's as close to a Mathieu clone as it gets but he's a bit bigger and models some of his game after him.

I think they'd have to get up a bit for Wyatt but I've come off going to 21. I think it's more like get in front of GB at 28. I'd be more inclined to think they'd wait for Pickens than Pitre after thinking about it a bit. Also think Williams is there in 3.

so, what if it was:

1-26. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia (KC 1-29, 4-135, 7-251 for TEN 1-26)
1-30. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor
2-38. George Pickens, WR, Georgia (KC 2-50, 3-103, 23 5th for NYJ 2-38)
2-62. Drake Jackson, DE, USC
3-94. Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss
4-121. Erik Ezukanma, WR, Texas Tech

I am very high on Pitre for our secondary, but was thinking we could get him at 50, or possibly even 62. Is he making a late push up the draft boards?

But yes, that looks amazing!

kcbubb 04-15-2022 05:13 PM

Wow. Love this guy. I hope he isn’t a head case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16247030)
I like Williams as much as anyone. I think he’s a day 1 impact player.

Look at how much trouble he gave Charles Cross?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ole Miss Edge Sam Williams with some really nice reps v. Charles Cross. Speed! <a href="https://t.co/liZ6N92OZq">pic.twitter.com/liZ6N92OZq</a></p>&mdash; Bobby Skinner (@BobbySkinner_) <a href="https://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1509334096014725123?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


kcbubb 04-15-2022 05:28 PM

I love this group. Really talented and deep class. I prefer the long armed guys. Short arms scare me. Here’s my favorite guys for the value. And I’d add Michael clemons at the bottom too.

7. D. Ojabo
8. A. Ebiketie
9. D. Jackson
10. S. Williams
13. K. Enagbare

Michael clemons, take a look at this video. He’s 6’5” 270 almost 35” arms and can run.

https://youtu.be/iYTTxgwfgmM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16246472)
1. A. Hutchinson
2. K. Thibodeaux
3. T. Walker
4. J. Johnson
5. G. Karlaftis
6. B. Mafe
7. D. Ojabo
8. A. Ebiketie
9. D. Jackson
10. S. Williams
11. L. Hall
12. C. Thomas
13. K. Enagbare
14. A. Barno
15. M. Sanders

Wasn't quite sure where to slot Ojabo. I just think he's an aside to the board dependent upon what they've done up to that point. I just can't fathom they'll take him as their first stab at ER but might take him if they've already locked one up.


RunKC 04-16-2022 03:33 PM

Ebeketie is so underrated

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Career pass-rush win rates on 3rd-and-4-plus, per <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a>: <br><br>Arnold Ebiketie (31%)<br><br>Kingsley Enagbare (27%)<br>Boye Mafe (26%)<br>Kayvon Thibodeaux (25%)<br>Aidan Hutchinson (24%)<br>George Karlaftis (21%)<br>Drake Jackson (20%)<br><br>Josh Paschal (18%)<br>Jermaine Johnson (17%)<br><br>Travon Walker (11%)</p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@PFF_AustinGayle) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_AustinGayle/status/1515334622976036864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 04-16-2022 03:44 PM

If they feel Ebiketie is a fit, I have no problem with taking him as early as the 1st.

It’s not my preference, but I wouldn’t hate it at all.

What I like about Ebiketie and Mafe is that they’re the kind of high upside swings that I can almost always be talked into.

Couch-Potato 04-17-2022 03:33 AM

ESPN's SackSEER Algo Projects the Top NFL Edge Rushers from the 2022 Draft Class:

Spoiler!

Couch-Potato 04-17-2022 03:44 AM

NFLDraftBuzz DL Ranking & Athletism Chart: https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/positions/DL/2/2022

Provides an athletic chart for the top DL and DE if you scroll to the bottom.

The chart makes Boy Mafe, Ojabo, and Sanders look like steals.

kccrow 04-17-2022 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 16249526)
ESPN's SackSEER Algo Projects the Top NFL Edge Rushers from the 2022 Draft Class:

Spoiler!

Basically, I have no idea wtf SackSEER is but it sounds like some feeble attempt to project sacks based on a metric similar to RAS...

But then, they go and call Williams a "sleeper" despite a projection of only 12 sacks over his first 5 years. WTF?

Sounds like another ESPN useless algorithm based on arbitrary bullshit, kind of like QBR.

O.city 04-17-2022 07:06 AM

Millers latest mock has the chiefs going hill and Watson with karlaftis going 32

No way that happens

Couch-Potato 04-17-2022 08:50 AM

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Couch-Potato 04-17-2022 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16249531)
Basically, I have no idea wtf SackSEER is but it sounds like some feeble attempt to project sacks based on a metric similar to RAS...

But then, they go and call Williams a "sleeper" despite a projection of only 12 sacks over his first 5 years. WTF?

Sounds like another ESPN useless algorithm based on arbitrary bullshit, kind of like QBR.


SackSEER Intro

One tool that could potentially help answer that question is SackSEER, Football Outsiders' system for projecting college edge rushers. SackSEER uses pre-draft workout data along with college statistics to project the NFL pass-rushing prospects of defensive ends and 3-4 outside linebackers.

SackSEER agrees with the conventional wisdom that this is a generally strong and deep draft for edge rushers. That said, contrary to some draft hype, there is a considerable degree of uncertainty as to just who is most likely to succeed.

In SackSEER, Hutchinson, Thibodeaux and Walker are all effectively tied -- with only a small fraction of a sack separating their projections. Check out more detail on how SackSEER works here.

Below, we take a look at SackSEER's top prospects in the 2022 NFL draft, along with some similar prospects from previous drafts.


Methodology

SackSEER is based on a statistical analysis of all edge rushers drafted in the years 1998 through 2019, and measures the following:

The edge rusher's projected draft position. Specifically, the rankings from ESPN's Scouts Inc.;

An "explosion index" that measures the prospect's scores in the 40-yard dash, the vertical leap and the broad jump in pre-draft workouts;

The prospect's score on the 3-cone drill;

A metric called "SRAM" which stands for "sack rate as modified." SRAM measures the prospect's per-game sack productivity, but with adjustments for factors such as early entry in the NFL draft and position switches during college;

The prospect's college passes defensed divided by college games played.

Couch-Potato 04-17-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16249083)
Ebeketie is so underrated

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Career pass-rush win rates on 3rd-and-4-plus, per <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a>: <br><br>Arnold Ebiketie (31%)<br><br>Kingsley Enagbare (27%)<br>Boye Mafe (26%)<br>Kayvon Thibodeaux (25%)<br>Aidan Hutchinson (24%)<br>George Karlaftis (21%)<br>Drake Jackson (20%)<br><br>Josh Paschal (18%)<br>Jermaine Johnson (17%)<br><br>Travon Walker (11%)</p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@PFF_AustinGayle) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_AustinGayle/status/1515334622976036864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I actually think it's Enagbare that's being underrated.

The Franchise 04-17-2022 08:03 PM

1. Aidan Hutchinson | 6065/268 | Michigan

DOB: 08.09.00

RAS: 9.88

PFF grade: 1

PFF pass rush: 2

PFF run D: 1

PFF tackling: 2

Hutchinson returned from a broken leg that limited him to three games in 2020 to produce one of the great edge-rushing seasons in modern history. He posted 14 sacks, 16.5 TFL and two forced fumbles in 14 games en route to first-team All-American honors and a No. 2 finish in the Heisman. He was named Big Ten MVP and the winner of the Lott, Lombardi and Hendricks awards.

In contrast to Kayvon Thibodeaux, who opted out of most NFL Combine testing, Hutchinson was resolute that he would test and did. The weight room maniac put on a show, posting a size-adjusted 98th-percentile RAS athletic composite. Hutchinson ran a 70th-percentile 4.74 forty, posted an 80th-percentile 36” vertical, and dazzled during agility testing, posting a 94th-percentile shuttle and 99th-percentile 3-cone (No. 4 among drafted edge rushers since 1998).

Per the website MockDraftable, Hutchinson’s second-closest athletic comparison is Joey Bosa (the closest is Sam Hubbard). Hutchinson resembles Bosa on the gridiron as well. Deadly combination of size, strength, explosion and agility. Shoots off the ball like he’s late for a flight, gets on top of tackles in an instant, and throws the kitchen sink at them.

Deepest grab-bag of pass-rushing moves in the class. Combination hand-thrower like a boxer. Dealing with his speed and get-off is one thing. But stopping Hutchinson’s initial plan – or feigned initial plan – is only the beginning. Hutchinson’s counter moves should be illegal – his close-quarters agility and body control free him from the deepest of hooks. Hutchinson is a single-minded, Terminator-like pursuer. He arrives at the ball like a sock full of quarters and never misses.

Hutchinson is a fabulous pass-rusher, but he doesn’t sacrifice run defense for it. Last year, amongst this edge-rushing class, he finished No. 1 in PFF-graded run defense and No. 2 in PFF tackling grade. There aren’t many weaknesses to speak of in Hutchinson’s profile, only nitpicks – his arms are of average length, and he might be close to maxed-out.

But what he is right this second is special in and of itself. I spoke with a Big 10 coach who told me: “I’ve coached [players] that have played against both Bosa’s, Chase Young, Rashan Gary, Kwity Paye, and others… Hutchinson as a senior was in my opinion far better than all of them.”

Hutchinson is the complete package, and the safest prospect in this class. He has made it extremely difficult to pass on him at the top of the board. What question can you possibly have? Historical season, historical athletic profile, immortal motor, and a mythical work ethic.

Comp: Joey Bosa

2. Kayvon Thibodeaux | 6040 /256 | Oregon

DOB: 12.15.00

RAS: 9.62

PFF grade: 13

PFF pass rush: 5

PFF run D: 16

PFF tackling: 58

Once the presumed No. 1 overall pick, Thibodeaux’s pre-draft process has been mired with questions about his commitment, personality, and decision to sit out NFL Combine testing after running the 40-yard dash. I’ve yet to speak to anyone who can independently corroborate the criticisms in the media. So let’s focus on his on-field profile.

Thibodeaux posted a 96th-percentile size-adjusted RAS athletic composite after finishing out his testing at Oregon’s pro day. The former No. 1 overall recruit added a 79th-percentile shuttle and an 81st-percentile broad jump to his 98th-percentile 4.58 forty.

Thibodeaux is eerily-reminiscent of Jadeveon Clowney coming out of South Carolina. Interestingly, when asked at the NFL Combine which player he most resembled, Thibodeaux said “I’m Jadeveon Clowney 2.0.” Thibodeaux and Clowney share out-of-this-world speed off the blocks, first steps that offensive tackles see in their nightmares.

At the top of his rush, Thibodeaux could work on his consistency. There are stretches where he buttresses that killer first-step with a combination of moves to set up his opponent, and other stretches where he appears to be leaning too heavily on speed-to-power mayhem. Thibodeaux efficiently cuts the outside corner and closes quickly, with a ransacking ethos on the prowl.

He’s a strong run defender who holds his ground, sheds, and disrupts. Thibodeaux brings nuclear-fusion power to collisions when he arrives, but he could stand to be more disciplined on approach, as he too often flies in high and hot, missing golden opportunities.

Thibodeaux was highly-productive on campus (35.5 TFL over 21 starts and 32 appearances) and his game translates smoothly to the next level. He’s a top-3 overall talent in the class.

Comp: Jadeveon Clowney

3. Travon Walker | 6050/272 | Georgia

DOB: 12.18.00

RAS: 9.99

PFF grade: 54

PFF pass rush: 73

PFF run D: 29

PFF tackling: 47

Walker came into the draft process under-the-radar because of the way he was used at Georgia. The Bulldogs had an embarrassment of defensive line riches while he was on campus – one of the reasons Jermaine Johnson II transferred to FSU – and used Walker as part of a rotation, limiting his snaps and moving him around the formation.

While Aidan Hutchinson played 794 snaps last season and 746 in 2019 (his other fully-healthy season as a starter), Walker took a mere 990 snaps total over the last three years combined (596 during Georgia’s title run in 2021). As you know, this effected Walker’s counting numbers (9.5 career sacks, 13.0 career TFL).

But Walker also wasn’t dominant on a per-snap basis. Among 104 draft-eligible edge rushers in my database that had PFF grades last season, he ranked No. 73 in pass-rushing grade, and No. 54 in overall grade. He had the fewest pressures and hurries of any of my top-8 edge rushing prospects in this class.

Of course, he was playing less snaps than many of his contemporaries, and wasn’t allowed to consistently pin his ears back when he was on the field, sometimes asked to occupy offensive linemen to free blitzing linebackers. Heck, Georgia would sometimes drop him into coverage.

Walker has the athleticism for all of it. His NFL Combine showing put him in rarified historical air. He posted a 4.51 forty and 6.89 3-cone drill that were both in the 97th-percentile. His 9.99 RAS composite drew insane athletic comps. The closest to Walker in the RAS system: Myles Garrett, Jevon Kearse, Ezekiel Ansah and Shawne Merriman. Oofta!

In college, what Walker did consistently well was play the run – he’s a long, jacked-up athlete who lifts offensive linemen off the ground with his initial punch. A coordinated athlete with good body control, Walker keeps himself in every play and is very difficult for opponents to erase from a rep. He’s a greyhound in pursuit, with elite closing speed.

Walker locked himself into the top-10 with his athletic testing. I’m concerned about Walker’s stiffness around the edge, and I think it’s going to take time to teach him a full arsenal of pass-rushing moves to compliment his speed-to-power special sauce. But athleticism plays at this position and Walker has it in spades.

Comp: Arik Armstead

4. Jermaine Johnson II | 6045/260 | Florida State

DOB: 01.07.99

RAS: 9.23

PFF grade: 20

PFF pass rush: 39

PFF run D: 10

PFF tackling: 15

Relentless, clever, and stout. Ideal frame. One of the quickest get-offs in the class. Tough guy in run defense who stands up tackles, holds his ground, and mucks things up and funnels to teammates if he can’t make the play. Low-man-wins leverage practicioner who cuts a clean corner around the edge.

Warrior ethos on field. Pursues like a souped-up Zombie. Arrives with a thud and wraps up, rarely missing targets. Straight-line athlete who proved concept with 4.58 forty in pre-draft process. Business decision to duck the agility drills. When he doesn’t win with initial plan, Johnson can be neutralized. He added to his pass-rushing arsenal last year at FSU but has more room to grow.

His fastball piled up 12 sacks and 18 TFL at FSU last year, but Johnson will need to diversify his pass-rushing plan so NFL tackles can’t comfortably sit dead-red on the heat. Johnson profiles as an immediate starter. He’s going to be a really good run defender, and no worse than an average pass-rusher.

Comp: Whitney Mercilus

5. George Karlaftis | 6036/263 | Purdue

DOB: 04.03.01

RAS: 9.2

PFF grade: 9

PFF pass rush: 8

PFF run D: 21

PFF tackling: 90

Power end with a rocked-up frame. Provides a relentless brand of pass-rushing. He's an underrated stud of an athlete, a Bruce Feldman Freak Lister who was vaunted in the Purdue weight room. Karlaftis chose not to run the forty or do the 3-cone but posted a 9.2 RAS composite thanks to great jumps and a strong shuttle. Lauded for his work ethic. Gym rat.

Pass-rushing repertoire flowers off the power – offensive tackles respect that power so much that it opens counter possibilities. All-out effort every play. More quick than fast. Quarterbacks feel him rumbling downhill and unload in a way they aren’t able to with Hutchinson or Thibodeaux. Misses way too many tackles, this will be an area of developmental emphasis. Needs to play with more discipline against the run.

Aggressive mentality off the snap is great, but Karlaftis can have his momentum used against him, pushed upfield and out of the play with a pontoon-sized hole in his wake. Karlaftis’ power and relentlessness will play at the NFL, and he should get everything out of his physical ability. But he may never be an elite pass-rusher, and he needs to play with more discipline against the run.

Comp: Ryan Kerrigan

The Franchise 04-17-2022 08:04 PM

6. Arnold Ebiketie | 6026/247 | Penn State

RAS: 9.14

PFF grade: 8

PFF pass rush: 9

PFF run D: 13

PFF tackling: 32

Comp: Shaq Barrett

7. Boye Mafe | 6036/257 | Minnesota

DOB: 11.03.98

RAS: 9.91

PFF grade: 21

PFF pass rush: 22

PFF run D: 41

PFF tackling: 27

Comp: Kwity Paye

8. David Ojabo | 6040/252 | Michigan

DOB: 05.17.00

RAS: 9.4

PFF grade: 27

PFF pass rush: 17

PFF run D: 42

PFF tackling: 53

Comp: Brian Burns

9. Logan Hall | 6061/285 | Houston

RAS: 9.39

PFF grade: 15

PFF pass rush: 20

PFF run D: 15

PFF tackling: 4

Comp: Margus Hunt

10. Nik Bonitto | 6031/248 | Oklahoma

DOB: 09.26.99

RAS: 9.35

PFF grade: 2

PFF pass rush: 3

PFF run D: 28

PFF tackling: 24

Comp: Haason Reddick

11. Kingsley Enagbare | 6040 /271 | South Carolina

DOB: 01.18.00

RAS: 6.17

PFF grade: 7

PFF pass rush: 4

PFF run D: 51

PFF tackling: 31

Comp: Brian Orakpo

12. Josh Paschal | 6025/270 | Kentucky

RAS: 9.7

PFF grade: 4

PFF pass rush: 29

PFF run D: 2

PFF tackling: 12

Comp: John Franklin-Myers

13. Drake Jackson | 6025/273 | USC

DOB: 04.12.01

RAS: 8.6

PFF grade: 18

PFF pass rush: 15

PFF run D: 40

PFF tackling: 38

Comp: Shillique Calhoun

14. Cameron Thomas | 6041/267 | San Diego State

DOB: 01.07.00

RAS: N/A

PFF grade: 6

PFF pass rush: 12

PFF run D: 5

PFF tackling: 29

Comp: Carl Nassib

15. Deangelo Malone | 6032/239 | WKU

RAS: 9.04

PFF grade: 23

PFF pass rush: 33

PFF run D: 20

PFF tackling: 14

Comp: Tyus Bowser

16. Dominique Robinson | 6051/252 | Miami (OH)

RAS: 9.74

PFF grade: 61

PFF pass rush: 61

PFF run D: 64

PFF tackling: 40

Comp: Benson Mayowa

17. Sam Williams | 6035/258 | Mississippi

DOB: 03.03.99

RAS: 9.72

PFF grade: 29

PFF pass rush: 10

PFF run D: 66

PFF tackling: 48

Comp: Pernell McPhee

18. Amare Barno | 6045/247 | Virginia Tech

DOB: 04.26.99

RAS: 9.17

PFF grade: 47

PFF pass rush: 55

PFF run D: 36

PFF tackling: 59

Comp: Eli Harold

19. Myjai Sanders | 6052/247 | Cincinnati

DOB: 02.27.00

RAS: 8.73

PFF grade: 22

PFF pass rush: 16

PFF run D: 19

PFF tackling: 88

Comp: Ben Banogu

20. Isaiah Thomas | 6050/265 | Oklahoma

DOB: 12.03.98

RAS: 9.14

PFF grade: 32

PFF pass rush: 35

PFF run D: 46

PFF tackling: 93

Comp: Alex Okafor

Chiefnj2 04-18-2022 12:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blY3UByYBBE
Penn State Defense v. Ohio State Offense


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tGp2YaxKj8
Minnesota Defense v. Ohio State Offense

You can watch Ebiketie and Mafe against the same high ranked offense. IMHO, Ebiketie jumps out much more than Mafe.

staylor26 04-18-2022 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 16251045)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blY3UByYBBE
Penn State Defense v. Ohio State Offense


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tGp2YaxKj8
Minnesota Defense v. Ohio State Offense

You can watch Ebiketie and Mafe against the same high ranked offense. IMHO, Ebiketie jumps out much more than Mafe.

And Mafe jumped out much more than Ebiketie against the best of the best at the Senior Bowl…

Chris Meck 04-19-2022 06:23 AM

I had Myjai Sanders off of my list from the combine after weighing in at 228 pounds.

He'd been really sick I guess prior and lost a bunch of weight.

he's back up around 250, and with that length, I'd put him back on the list as a second round possibility.

RunKC 04-19-2022 08:50 AM

Was just listening to Dusty and Danny on Sirius radio and they said they’re hearing there will be a massive run on DL from the beginning all the way through the end of the 2nd rd. Specifically mentioned teams with that need will most likely double dip.

Not that it’s a surprise but I think it’s very certain we take a DT and DE with 2 of our first 4 picks.

Would be sweet to get a Devonte Wyatt or Travis Jones then at 50 get Sam Williams or Ebeketie

staylor26 04-19-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16252047)
Was just listening to Dusty and Danny on Sirius radio and they said they’re hearing there will be a massive run on DL from the beginning all the way through the end of the 2nd rd. Specifically mentioned teams with that need will most likely double dip.

Not that it’s a surprise but I think it’s very certain we take a DT and DE with 2 of our first 4 picks.

Would be sweet to get a Devonte Wyatt or Travis Jones then at 50 get Sam Williams or Ebeketie

I think it’s much more likely that they take two DEs than a DE and DT.

O.city 04-19-2022 09:01 AM

I don't really see the need for a DT that early, unless a guy they like falls.

The Franchise 04-19-2022 09:04 AM

As much as I like Travis Jones....I think it's more probable that they go DE, DE, CB, WR in the first 4 picks.

TambaBerry 04-19-2022 09:08 AM

i want Winfrey and AK at 29,30 AK only if Karlaftis(sp) is gone

The Franchise 04-19-2022 09:09 AM

Verderame said that he could see 8 EDGEs going in the first round. Said he thinks half of the picks in the first round are going to be EDGE and WR.

RunKC 04-19-2022 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16252095)
Verderame said that he could see 8 EDGEs going in the first round. Said he thinks half of the picks in the first round are going to be EDGE and WR.

Yup. There’s legitimately 7 good players that could go rd 1 with a couple who could sneak in

Hutchinson
Walker
Thibodeaux
Johnson
Karlaftis
Mafe
Ojabo

Ebeketie and Jackson could absolutely sneak in there

Chris Meck 04-20-2022 06:26 AM

I've put Sanders back on my board as he's back up around 250.

One wild card-Nik Bonitto. Watch some tape on him, and think to yourself: Micah Parsons.

He would be a REALLY interesting chess piece. He'd be a touch small for a base 4-3 DE, but he has the off ball skills to be your SAM and would be a devastating blitzer from your base defense as well as a rotational pass rusher in nickel and dime sets. OR, if you wanted to do some 3-4 looks in your front 7, he'd be an ideal 3-4 rushbacker (and if you bring back Ingram, you've got a real nice 3-4. He's a kid you can do a lot of things with.

Chiefnj2 04-20-2022 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16253273)
I've put Sanders back on my board as he's back up around 250.

One wild card-Nik Bonitto. Watch some tape on him, and think to yourself: Micah Parsons.

He would be a REALLY interesting chess piece. He'd be a touch small for a base 4-3 DE, but he has the off ball skills to be your SAM and would be a devastating blitzer from your base defense as well as a rotational pass rusher in nickel and dime sets. OR, if you wanted to do some 3-4 looks in your front 7, he'd be an ideal 3-4 rushbacker (and if you bring back Ingram, you've got a real nice 3-4. He's a kid you can do a lot of things with.

To me Bonitto is like the safety from Michigan, Hill. In the right system they could be Pro Bowl caliber players in non-traditional roles. Hill has a little more versatility for KC's 4-3 defense.

If Bonitto went to a team that just told him to "go to the ball" he could be an impact player.

TambaBerry 04-20-2022 07:45 AM

I've seen Bonitto being compared to hasaan Reddick and think that's more of a comp

Chris Meck 04-20-2022 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 16253338)
I've seen Bonitto being compared to hasaan Reddick and think that's more of a comp

Hmmn. I don't see that. Bonitto is bigger, and more polished as a pass rusher coming out, in my opinion.

farmerchief 04-24-2022 05:03 PM

Earlier I’ve seen Johnson going higher in drafts, but of late, Karlaftis is drafted several spots earlier. Anybody else seeing the same? I think I like Karlaftis better.

chiefforlife 04-24-2022 05:16 PM

Small DT or Big DE, they think he is rising up draft boards. I think Spags would love this guy...

Houston DT Logan Hall: ADP of 48.5
Unique players always present challenges when discussing them in mock drafts, mainly because they don’t fit a specific mold. Hall fits perfectly in this category. Standing at 6’6” and 283lbs, he does not have a great build for an interior defensive lineman nor an edge rusher. What he has is a unique combination of size and versatility.

For what Hall brings to the table, 48.5 is pretty low. While he does have a unique build for a guy that thrived on the interior, his skill set is one that immediately translates. He’s lightning-quick off the ball, exemplified by his 96.9th percentile 10-yard split at 1.67 seconds. Hall also understands leverage at a high level and combines it with more power than you would expect by looking at his build. Combine those elements with the versatility to play outside as a five-tech, and don’t be surprised if he follows his former teammate Payton Turner as a surprise first-round selection on Thursday night.

kccrow 04-24-2022 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by farmerchief (Post 16259831)
Earlier I’ve seen Johnson going higher in drafts, but of late, Karlaftis is drafted several spots earlier. Anybody else seeing the same? I think I like Karlaftis better.

I'm really concerned about Johnson not running a 3-cone or shuttle at his pro-day after not running it at the combine. He's a bit stiff-looking on tape, that's my biggest gripe about him. I'd have liked to see those times.

Meanwhile, Karlaftis ran an insanely good 6.78. The top edge rushers run <= 7.0. You have guys like Hutchinson (6.73), Walker (6.89), Ebiketie (6.95), Thomas (6.91), Bonitto (7.07), Williams (6.93), Malone (7.04) were right there.

Then you have guys like Thibodeaux (7.23), Mafe (7.25), Robinson (7.19), Hall (7.25), and Enagbare (7.51) where they weren't as good there. Now, Thibs doesn't look like that on tape. Mafe to some extent either. Thibs, Mafe, and Robinson all posted good shuttles under 4.35 which helps ease concerns over slightly subpar 3-cones (good range 4-4.4). Hall and Enagbare did not post good shuttles, especially Enagbare over 4.5.

From what I've seen, I'd feel good taking most of the edge rushers from athletic perspectives but Hall is a DT only for me and Enagbare isn't on my radar at this point.

The other guy we didn't get to see was Josh Paschal, who I also wonder about.

So yeah, I could see Karlafis going over Johnson after his strong workout and johnson leaving questions unanswered.


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