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TLO 09-20-2020 05:50 PM

Let's talk about the Ravens
 
Quite possibly a preview of the AFC Championship game.

Hopefully we can get healthy by Sunday

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 05:51 PM

Hope Sammy can go.

We will beat their ass!!!!

comochiefsfan 09-20-2020 05:51 PM

I’ll take one Mike Pennel for this one please.

Pitt Gorilla 09-20-2020 05:52 PM

They are very, very good.

Pointer19 09-20-2020 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15182111)
I’ll take one Mike Pennel for this one please.

Can you see if they have any Frank Clark?

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 05:52 PM

Their defense is not on LA’s level IMHO — just saying

ThyKingdomCome15 09-20-2020 05:53 PM

Glad Pennel is back. We need him baaaad.

smithandrew051 09-20-2020 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15182120)
Their defense is not on LA’s level IMHO — just saying

This. They have little pass rush and bad safeties.

dannybcaitlyn 09-20-2020 05:53 PM

Prime time game the guys will rise for it. Should get Pennel and maybe Ward back also. Gotta start fast and make Lamar play from behind.

Rasputin 09-20-2020 05:54 PM

Showtime will come through in clutch performance but it's going be a hell of a battle.

eDave 09-20-2020 05:55 PM

How did they look today. Looked closer to Houston than we did.

Deberg_1990 09-20-2020 05:56 PM

Our run defense is stinky. I think this is the year the Ravens beat us.

Tribal Warfare 09-20-2020 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15182151)
Our run defense is stinky. I think this is the year the Ravens beat us.

Pennel will be back

HC_Chief 09-20-2020 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15182151)
Our run defense is stinky. I think this is the year the Ravens beat us.

Don't forget, the run d had issues last year until Pennel was brought in. The change was immediate and noticeable. WITH Pennel, this DL can both disrupt the pass and stuff the run.

lcarus 09-20-2020 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15182151)
Our run defense is stinky. I think this is the year the Ravens beat us.

I thought that last year though. Our run defense was just as bad last year. Plus we will have Pennel this time.

DRM08 09-20-2020 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15182155)
Pennel will be back

He won't magically fix all the other issues by himself. The linebackers are a major problem, not just against the run but in pass coverage as well.

Mahomes and KC offense will need to be a hell of a lot sharper next week. I think they need 40+ for a chance to win against this Ravens team.

JakeF 09-20-2020 06:00 PM

If we play anywhere near like we played against the Chargers, Baltimore will kick our ass.

smithandrew051 09-20-2020 06:03 PM

The win today felt a lot like the Detroit win last year.

Early season garbage. We’ll be fine.

scho63 09-20-2020 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15182181)
If we play anywhere near like we played against the Chargers, Baltimore will kick our ass.

This x 100 :(

JakeF 09-20-2020 06:05 PM

Bosa and Ingram on the same team is a real problem for us. Especially since Andy refused to help our OT's with their blocks. Our guards got their shit pushed in too.

CervezaChill 09-20-2020 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15182181)
If we play anywhere near like we played against the Chargers, Baltimore will kick our ass.

I wouldn't put much stock in that. The Baltimore defense, especially the pass rush, is not as good as the Bolts..but also I think Reid went overboard with hiding strats this week making them look worse than they really are. Next week they will really open up the playbook. I imagine CEH and Mahomes will control the clock and force Lamar to play from behind.

Simply Red 09-20-2020 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15182155)
Pennel will be back

Tribal, I don't know how - but I guessed I missed it - what happened to Pennel and when?

Coochie liquor 09-20-2020 06:06 PM

The good part for us is we aren’t looking for revenge, or having the “game circled” like Baltimore has. Nothing but faith in this team!

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 15182178)
He won't magically fix all the other issues by himself. The linebackers are a major problem, not just against the run but in pass coverage as well.

Mahomes and KC offense will need to be a hell of a lot sharper next week. I think they need 40+ for a chance to win against this Ravens team.

They can’t play bad and beat Baltimore no but if we learned anything today it’s that what happened the week before means nothing. Everyone thought based on week 1 that KC would wipe the floor with LA — but it sure as heck didn’t go that route.

Hopefully KC learns from this, is better conditioned, and can come out playing great ball next Monday.

Hammock Parties 09-20-2020 06:09 PM

We will tear off their heads and shit down their necks.

Simply Red 09-20-2020 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15182233)
They can’t play bad and beat Baltimore no but if we learned anything today it’s that what happened the week before means nothing. Everyone thought based on week 1 that KC would wipe the floor with LA — but it sure as heck didn’t go that route.

Hopefully KC learns from this, is better conditioned, and can come out playing great ball next Monday.

and woo wee we need that extra day bud.

eDave 09-20-2020 06:10 PM

I got no comment or take after today's game. All I got is Houston played them closer than they did us.

Tribal Warfare 09-20-2020 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15182238)
We will tear off their heads and shit down their necks.

Lamar will shit himself

Simply Red 09-20-2020 06:19 PM

Can someone please assist in post 22 inquiry. I am going to Google now...

Edit: Okay - Now I recall.

thabear04 09-20-2020 06:23 PM

Ravens Tavon Young out for the season.

poolboy 09-20-2020 06:24 PM

dont know if pennel can fix our tackling

Simply Red 09-20-2020 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 15182320)
dont know if pennel can fix our tackling

he will help bud.

HC_Chief 09-20-2020 06:33 PM

Pennel won't magically fix everything, but he CAN ensure inside runs get stuffed early, forcing teams to bounce runs outside. That will give our shit LBs a bit more time to get into position to bounce off of runners, hopefully tripping them up or slowing them down enough to allow for gang tackles (i.e. hold them up so Clark, Jones, or Honey Badger can come flying in and lay a stick on them)

KC Hawks 09-20-2020 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 15182353)
he will help bud.

Appreciate you saying this!

eDave 09-20-2020 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 15182320)
dont know if pennel can fix our tackling

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 15182353)
he will help bud.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 15182365)
Appreciate you saying this!

Wholesome.

staylor26 09-20-2020 06:35 PM

We have 1 run stuffer in Nnadi who clearly isn’t 100% coming back from offseason surgery.

Of course getting Pennel back will be huge.

Skyy God 09-20-2020 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15182151)
Our run defense is stinky. I think this is the year the Ravens beat us.

GFY.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 06:45 PM

No update on Watkins yet

TwistedChief 09-20-2020 06:51 PM

This is going to be a really difficult test. The Ravens are tough and we have tons of flaws. Mahomes can overcome them and I imagine Reid has a lot of stuff schemed up for this game in particular.

I think it's a touch less favorable than a coin flip for us. But whatever, it's a long season. And the game is entirely winnable.

frozenchief 09-20-2020 06:56 PM

1. Our O Line better play better than today or its a long game

2. Our run defense better step up or we are in for a long game

3. Our tackling better improve or we are in for a long game

Is it just me or did Mahomes seem off with Hill and Kelce today? I know there was that 53 yard TD but several dropped passes or passes where they were not looking. DOn’t know who that’s on but it just seemed that they were off.

Baltimore will be a big test early in this season.

Coach 09-20-2020 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15182411)
No update on Watkins yet

I think it's safe to assume that he will not be playing this Sunday. That was a dirty hit (and that should had been a penalty).

RunKC 09-20-2020 06:59 PM

I don’t know how we are going to stop their rush attack. Pennel will help but god help us with these LB’s.

Neimann is going to get bullied 5 yards down the field before he lays a hand on the ball carrier.


Watching that guy play on early downs actually makes me miss Reggie Ragland.

tk13 09-20-2020 07:00 PM

You give and take. Obviously we'll have a lot to handle with Baltimore's running game. It's basically a 3 or 4 headed monster at this point.

On the flipside I don't think they have the Chargers pass rush. Chargers pass rush is legit. They terrorized Joe Burrow last week and today really gave Mahomes a challenge. It really disrupts an offense.

Hammock Parties 09-20-2020 07:01 PM

It doesn't matter. They are fake news. Their QB is still a RB who pretends to throw. No such pretender to Mahomes' throne will ever usurp his power.

We will come into Baltimore, eat hearty, and leave with our bellies full of blackbird pie.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 15182473)
You give and take. Obviously we'll have a lot to handle with Baltimore's running game. It's basically a 3 or 4 headed monster at this point.

On the flipside I don't think they have the Chargers pass rush. Chargers pass rush is legit. They terrorized Joe Burrow last week and today really gave Mahomes a challenge. It really disrupts an offense.

Yep...

Our LBs are shit right now but they were last year too when we whooped Baltimore. And the year before that.

It’ll be competitive.

Chiefshrink 09-20-2020 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15182479)
It’ll be competitive.

And this is the beauty of having PM2 as our QB. It will always be competitive.:thumb:

Chief Roundup 09-20-2020 07:18 PM

We have several things to clean up and we get Pennel back.

smithandrew051 09-20-2020 07:19 PM

I think we’re used to obsessing about the flaws on our team, because we still aren’t used to having the greatest talent in the history of football playing QB for us.

Other teams have flaws, significant ones too. No other team has Mahomes to almost always mask those flaws though.

Teams have played really well against us on our bad days, yet no one has beaten Mahomes by more than 8. That means EVEN AT OUR WORST, we’re still just one break away from winning when Mahomes is our QB.

Baltimore absolutely has flaws. Their safeties are a couple of Jordan Lucas-type special teamers. They don’t get a ton of pressure typically. There’s no real game-wrecker in their front 7. Their QB has still not proven himself as a passer against a great defense or against a great team.

We have flaws too of course, but we also have Mahomes. We can play poorly and be in any game at the end. No other team in the league today (maybe ever really) can say that.

Tribal Warfare 09-20-2020 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15182551)

Other teams have flaws, significant ones too. No other team has Mahomes to almost always mask those flaws though.

Patrick went full Mahomes bro

Chieftain 09-20-2020 07:31 PM

I think the Ravens game will be easier. Chargers have legitimately the best D in the league, even without James. Ravens D on the other hand is average. Their DL is weaker than ours and as already mentioned they are also weaker at the Safety position.
We should score at will against them.

TomBarndtsTwin 09-20-2020 07:32 PM

They are healthy, we are not.

Will be out our top 2 corners again plus others from today.

Not saying we can’t win, but I’m predicting a loss at this point.


That said, IF we win next weeks game against Baltimore, we might go undefeated. (Assuming we can get fully healthy and get everyone back)

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 15182599)
They are healthy, we are not.

Will be out our top 2 corners again plus others from today.

Not saying we can’t win, but I’m predicting a loss at this point.


That said, IF we win next weeks game against Baltimore, we might go undefeated. (Assuming we can get fully healthy and get everyone back)

They lost a starting CB for the season today?

TomBarndtsTwin 09-20-2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15182604)
They lost a starting CB for the season today?

Hadn’t heard that. I stand corrected.

So both teams secondary will be flailing. May be a high scoring game. Unless Balt. decides to run it all game long. Will be rough either way. Good thing we’re getting Pennell back, that will help.

smithandrew051 09-20-2020 07:38 PM

We have a lot of injuries, but no one overly impactful. Might cause some issues for the season as a whole, but we can get by for another week.

If Watkins is back, we have our whole group of offensive weapons. Our offense will decide this game. Come out strong and play with a lead. Do that, and we’ll be fine.

Chief Roundup 09-20-2020 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 15182223)
Tribal, I don't know how - but I guessed I missed it - what happened to Pennel and when?

Suspended for something in his urine.

smithandrew051 09-20-2020 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 15182618)
Hadn’t heard that. I stand corrected.

So both teams secondary will be flailing. May be a high scoring game. Unless Balt. decides to run it all game long. Will be rough either way. Good thing we’re getting Pennell back, that will help.

They’re in a bad position at safety. Earl Thomas was supposed to be their best safety and he’s gone. That’s the same as losing him for the year to an injury.

Simply Red 09-20-2020 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 15182365)
Appreciate you saying this!

oh, you're welcome champ - thank you for seeing the value in that! <3

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 07:42 PM

Baltimore can’t get pressure with just 4 like the Chargers did, not consistently.

Should be more points scored on both sides.

Simply Red 09-20-2020 07:42 PM

getting Pennel back will help!

Chief Roundup 09-20-2020 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15182604)
They lost a starting CB for the season today?

Tavon Young was starting over Marlon Humphries or Marcus Peters? He is their 4th CB behind those 2 and Jimmy Smith.

RJ 09-20-2020 07:45 PM

Ravens lost Tavon Young for the season today. His replacements are a big drop in talent. Advantage Mahomes.

Coach 09-20-2020 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15182631)
Baltimore can’t get pressure with just 4 like the Chargers did, not consistently.

Should be more points scored on both sides.

The problem I am having right now, even though supposedly Pennel will be back, it still does not address the LB issue.

Unless Spags realize that Ben Niemann is not the answer, I most certainly would not want Niemann spying against Lamar Jackson. That won't end well.

I also am hopeful that Clark is fine. I know it said illness, I just hope it isn't that same illness that made him lost weight during the beginning of the 2019 season (on top of that neck injury, if I recall).

Chief Northman 09-20-2020 07:45 PM

Be great to get Pennel back, but I never thought I’d miss Ragland - the Chiefs linebackers are complete ass. Missed tackles, blitzing right into bodies, bad pursuit angles - atrocious. That heavy run offense in Baltimore will be a handful unless the D line can keep the second level relatively clean.

Chris Jones was a huge disappointment today. He did not give a shit on most running downs, and was turning his back to O-linemen and easily getting washed. He got a couple pressures but then ends up taking a stupid penalty that luckily was not terribly costly. This guy needs to be an every down player because he sure as hell is paid like one. I’m pretty sure he’s going to get called out by Daley and Spags. Frank Clark sick? I guess it can happen, but it would be nice if this guy could get right for an entire campaign. Thornhill is nowhere near game shape yet, and Sorenson has struggled tackling. The Chiefs are going to need a Herculean effort to come out of Baltimore with a win next week.

Take the W and run. Hopefully the Chiefs get some bodies back from the injury list this week.

keg in kc 09-20-2020 07:46 PM

We've had Baltimore's number for years. I don't see that changing this year.

RJ 09-20-2020 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 15182633)
Tavon Young was starting over Marlon Humphries or Marcus Peters? He is their 4th CB behind those 2 and Jimmy Smith.

He was their slot corner.

Chief Roundup 09-20-2020 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 15182642)
The problem I am having right now, even though supposedly Pennel will be back, it still does not address the LB issue.

Unless Spags realize that Ben Niemann is not the answer, I most certainly would not want Niemann spying against Lamar Jackson. That won't end well.

I also am hopeful that Clark is fine. I know it said illness, I just hope it isn't that same illness that made him lost weight during the beginning of the 2019 season (on top of that neck injury, if I recall).

DOD is the spy LB. He will see more time against the Ravens.

smithandrew051 09-20-2020 07:49 PM

The story today was more about the offense than the defense. Next week will be the same story.

If the offense plays well, we win.

Coach 09-20-2020 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 15182651)
DOD is the spy LB. He will see more time against the Ravens.

Truthfully, at this point, I would rather roll the dice with DOD at this point forward, because Niemann's speed is a major liability. Worse, he can't even tackle.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 07:51 PM

Maybe they’re planning to use Gay more against Baltimore’s personnel? :shrug:

They can’t expect to contain Baltimore with the lack of athleticism currently at LB.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 07:58 PM

This will be the most hyped Chiefs regular season game since probably the Rams two years ago.

smithandrew051 09-20-2020 08:01 PM

I just don’t see Mahomes shitting the bed in this situation on Monday Night Football against a pretty average defense.

Let’s see if that Baltimore offense can keep up with what we’re about to do. Andy knows how important this game is, especially with the new playoff format.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15182685)
I just don’t see Mahomes shitting the bed in this situation on Monday Night Football against a pretty average defense.

Let’s see if that Baltimore offense can keep up with what we’re about to do. Andy knows how important this game is, especially with the new playoff format.

It’s very likely for the AFC HFA, barring too many significant injuries to either team moving ahead

smithandrew051 09-20-2020 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15182694)
It’s very likely for the AFC HFA, barring too many significant injuries to either team moving ahead

I agree. Winning this game is basically a 2-game lead.

I don’t see another AFC team that is really going to challenge for it.

Maybe the Patriots? Maybe the Steelers? Those both feel like stretches right though.

DRM08 09-20-2020 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15182685)
I just don’t see Mahomes shitting the bed in this situation on Monday Night Football against a pretty average defense.

Let’s see if that Baltimore offense can keep up with what we’re about to do. Andy knows how important this game is, especially with the new playoff format.

Every game is important these days. That did not prevent KC from sleep-walking for 3 quarters today. They won’t be able to get away with that against Baltimore, New England, & Buffalo.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 08:09 PM

Entering the game as 3 point dogs. Disrespectful.

DRM08 09-20-2020 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15182708)
Entering the game as 3 point dogs. Disrespectful.

That line will probably move in Baltimore’s favor as we get closer to the game.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-20-2020 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 15182717)
That line will probably move in Baltimore’s favor as we get closer to the game.

That’s what Vegas should want...

They don’t really have a true home field advantage with no fans, and idc what we saw today, until I see Lamar beat Mahomes, I’m not taking more than a point from them.

tredadda 09-20-2020 08:16 PM

We can’t use this game as a gauge for how it will go against Baltimore. This team struggles against strong defensive lines. Take a look at the SB and today. Baltimore doesn’t have the D-Line to do what those two teams do. Plus we usually have one poorly played game a year. Also SD plays this team tough. If we can contain their running game I think we win relatively easily.

Halfcan 09-20-2020 08:23 PM

Chiefs have won 11 straight now. They will lose eventually but it won't be against the Ravens.

Their defense can't hold us down for 4 quarters.

carcosa 09-20-2020 08:25 PM

WE WILL LITERALLY KILL THEM DEAD!!!!!


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