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KChiefs1 03-24-2020 10:06 AM

Mel Kiper Jr’s 3.0 Mock
 
https://twitter.com/melkiperespn/sta...601058304?s=21


1. Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Burrow, QB

2. Washington Redskins
Chase Young, DE

3. Detroit Lions
Jeff Okudah, CB

4. New York Giants
Isaiah Simmons, OLB

5. Miami Dolphins
Tua Tagovailoa, QB

6. Los Angeles Chargers
Justin Herbert, QB

7. Carolina Panthers
Derrick Brown, DT

8. Arizona Cardinals
Tristan Wirfs, OT

9. Jacksonville Jaguars
Javon Kinlaw, DT

10. Cleveland Browns
Mekhi Becton, OT

11. New York Jets
Jedrick Wills Jr., OT

12. Las Vegas Raiders
CJ Henderson, CB

13. San Francisco 49ers
Jerry Jeudy, WR

14. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Andrew Thomas, OT

15. Denver Broncos
Henry Ruggs III, WR

16. Atlanta Falcons
K'Lavon Chaisson, OLB

17. Dallas Cowboys
CeeDee Lamb, WR

18. Miami Dolphins
D'Andre Swift, RB

19. Las Vegas Raiders
Tee Higgins, WR

20. Jacksonville Jaguars
Antoine Winfield Jr., SL/CB

21. Philadelphia Eagles
Justin Jefferson, WR

22. Minnesota Vikings
Denzel Mims, WR

23. New England Patriots
Jordan Love, QB

24. New Orleans Saints
Kenneth Murray, LB

25. Minnesota Vikings
A.J. Epenesa, DE

26. Miami Dolphins
Josh Jones OT

27. Seattle Seahawks
Yetur Gross-Matos DE

28. Baltimore Ravens
Patrick Queen ILB

29. Tennessee Titans
Ezra Cleveland OT

30. Green Bay Packers
Chase Claypool WR

31. San Francisco 49ers
Noah Igbinoghene CB

32. Kansas City Chiefs
Cesar Ruiz C/G

staylor26 03-24-2020 10:11 AM

Love Ruiz but there are too many good corners still on the board IMO

ntexascardfan 03-26-2020 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14863704)
Love Ruiz but there are too many good corners still on the board IMO

After watching last year's draft play out, I think this board over values our need positions going into the draft.

Most thought Thornhill was a guy we'd need to take at the end of the first, but we got him at 63.

If you're diagnosis of this draft is that there are still a ton of good corners on the board, then there's a good chance that a guy we like falls to us. Thus, validating the choice to take Ruiz in the first.

Tribal Warfare 03-26-2020 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14863704)
Love Ruiz but there are too many good corners still on the board IMO

Protecting the Mahomes investment supercedes everything else and Reiter was very average at best.

BryanBusby 03-28-2020 07:34 PM

Tbh I think I try to package some sort of trade offer together with the Saints if that's how the draft progressed.

staylor26 03-28-2020 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14874414)
Tbh I think I try to package some sort of trade offer together with the Saints if that's how the draft progressed.

To trade up and get a LB I’m assuming?

BryanBusby 03-28-2020 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14874482)
To trade up and get a LB I’m assuming?

Epenesa

KChiefs1 03-31-2020 06:57 PM

Todd McShay has his 4.0 out. 2 rounds:

1. RB D’Andre Swift
2. CB Noah Igbinoghene

Couch-Potato 04-04-2020 05:42 AM

Ruiz would be fantastic! Might be the best potential pick for us

Dunerdr 04-06-2020 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14879432)
Todd McShay has his 4.0 out. 2 rounds:

1. RB D’Andre Swift
2. CB Noah Igbinoghene

Just cant see a RB in round 1.

Tribal Warfare 04-06-2020 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 14890434)
Just cant see a RB in round 1.

I can, protecting the Mahomes investment has been my mantra this offseason.

Dunerdr 04-06-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 14890463)
I can, protecting the Mahomes investment has been my mantra this offseason.

But round one running back vs round 2/3. Is there a big enough difference there to justify it vs a late first CB/ IOL/ LB? i realize im just listing needs. Just seems like the Kamaras/Hunts/dalvin cooks are nearly as productive if not more as kamaras/ cooks/ hunt.

Tribal Warfare 04-06-2020 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 14890478)
But round one running back vs round 2/3. Is there a big enough difference there to justify it vs a late first CB/ IOL/ LB? i realize im just listing needs. Just seems like the Kamaras/Hunts/dalvin cooks are nearly as productive if not more as kamaras/ cooks/ hunt.


It's all about context and circumstance, if KC had a game manager at QB I'd be epically pissed because it would more of the same just to stay a float like buying a 16 year old with the best safety features possible if they **** up. With Patrick it would be totally different because he'd make that mother****er into a McClaren or Bugatti shredding skin of your eyeballs.

More importantly, it's load management until the playoffs. You can't **** around when it comes to the health of the QB

Dunerdr 04-07-2020 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 14890529)
It's all about context and circumstance, if KC had a game manager at QB I'd be epically pissed because it would more of the same just to stay a float like buying a 16 year old with the best safety features possible if they **** up. With Patrick it would be totally different because he'd make that mother****er into a McClaren or Bugatti shredding skin of your eyeballs.

More importantly, it's load management until the playoffs. You can't **** around when it comes to the health of the QB

ok. you are selling me a little. I need to look at running backs a little closer i guess. I've only really looked at moss briefly and mcfarland a little.

okiedokieokoye 04-07-2020 12:06 PM

If we're going with a Center as our first pick, I surely think we could trade out of the first round, score an extra pick and still take a starting Center. This class is loaded.

Dunerdr 04-07-2020 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okiedokieokoye (Post 14892375)
If we're going with a Center as our first pick, I surely think we could trade out of the first round, score an extra pick and still take a starting Center. This class is loaded.

idk, there seems to be a consensus that its Ruiz then everyone else.

Kellerfox 04-07-2020 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 14892495)
idk, there seems to be a consensus that its Ruiz then everyone else.

Ruiz is consistently graded as a first round pick and is probably the safe pick at center... but I’ve seen quite a few people who have a Cushenberry ahead of Ruiz. Flip side, I’ve also seen people who have Cushenberry as a 2nd or 3rd round pick and a clear tier below Ruiz. Will be interesting to see where he falls - I personally like Cushenberry better. Trading down 10-15 spots, taking Cush, and picking up a few extra picks is one scenario I’d be okay with.

Dunerdr 04-08-2020 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox (Post 14892708)
Ruiz is consistently graded as a first round pick and is probably the safe pick at center... but I’ve seen quite a few people who have a Cushenberry ahead of Ruiz. Flip side, I’ve also seen people who have Cushenberry as a 2nd or 3rd round pick and a clear tier below Ruiz. Will be interesting to see where he falls - I personally like Cushenberry better. Trading down 10-15 spots, taking Cush, and picking up a few extra picks is one scenario I’d be okay with.

Personally id like that idea a lot. The top 100 seems solid so more picks on a team thats gonna be paying some stars is always good.

BryanBusby 04-08-2020 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox (Post 14892708)
Ruiz is consistently graded as a first round pick and is probably the safe pick at center... but I’ve seen quite a few people who have a Cushenberry ahead of Ruiz. Flip side, I’ve also seen people who have Cushenberry as a 2nd or 3rd round pick and a clear tier below Ruiz. Will be interesting to see where he falls - I personally like Cushenberry better. Trading down 10-15 spots, taking Cush, and picking up a few extra picks is one scenario I’d be okay with.

I don't know about that consistently part.

Chief Northman 04-14-2020 02:41 PM

Kiper released 4.0 today

Chiefs:

#32 - D’Andre Swift RB
#64 - Cameron Dantzler CB

Mecca 04-14-2020 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 14906788)
Kiper released 4.0 today

Chiefs:

#32 - D’Andre Swift RB
#64 - Cameron Dantzler CB

That's actually not bad.

The Franchise 04-14-2020 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 14906788)
Kiper released 4.0 today

Chiefs:

#32 - D’Andre Swift RB
#64 - Cameron Dantzler CB

Yes to Dantzler. No to Swift.

Chris Meck 04-14-2020 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14906822)
Yes to Dantzler. No to Swift.

I watched Simms' 'top 5 RB's in the draft' on youtube.

He had Swift at #5.

I don't necessarily agree with his whole 5, and there are some guys I like better than some of his top 5, but I do tend to agree that Swift is overrated.

Mecca 04-14-2020 02:57 PM

Swift has the most natural gifts, if you can unlock the potential he's the best guy. He has the best blend of power and speed.

JohnnyHammersticks 04-14-2020 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 14906788)
Kiper released 4.0 today

Chiefs:

#32 - D’Andre Swift RB
#64 - Cameron Dantzler CB

If we could get Logan Wilson or maybe Davis-Gaither in the 3rd, this wouldn't be bad. Kind of high for a RB though, just because this draft is pretty loaded there.

I'd rather - in order - get either Murray or Queen, or Ruiz, or the top CB left on my board at #32.

staylor26 04-14-2020 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14906831)
I watched Simms' 'top 5 RB's in the draft' on youtube.

He had Swift at #5.

I don't necessarily agree with his whole 5, and there are some guys I like better than some of his top 5, but I do tend to agree that Swift is overrated.

Chris Simms also has Jerry Jeudy outside of his top 5 WR’s.

I think Chris Simms is pretty useless when it comes to the draft.

Tribal Warfare 04-14-2020 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14906945)
Chris Simms also has Jerry Jeudy outside of his top 5 WR’s.

I think Chris Simms is pretty useless when it comes to the draft.

Of course you can't believe a goddamn thing coming out of the scouting community now,

but I do wonder what grumblings are out there concerning KC and the RB position in the 1st round.

Stryker 04-14-2020 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 14906994)
Of course you can't believe a goddamn thing coming out of the scouting community now,

but I do wonder what grumblings are out there concerning KC and the RB position in the 1st round.

I am actually digging this guy:

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Not sure how to compare to CEH or Swift.

ForeverChiefs58 04-14-2020 07:57 PM

QB- 4
OT- 6
G/C- 1
RB- 1
WR- 7
TE- 0

DE- 3
DT- 2
ILB- 2
OLB- 2
CB-4
S- 0

KChiefs1 04-19-2020 11:26 AM

Watching NFLN & they are showing Caught in the Draft marathon. Some really great stuff.

The Mel Kiper thing in 1994 with the Colts is classic.

Who the hell is Mel Kiper!

MahomesMagic 04-19-2020 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox (Post 14892708)
Ruiz is consistently graded as a first round pick and is probably the safe pick at center... but I’ve seen quite a few people who have a Cushenberry ahead of Ruiz. Flip side, I’ve also seen people who have Cushenberry as a 2nd or 3rd round pick and a clear tier below Ruiz. Will be interesting to see where he falls - I personally like Cushenberry better. Trading down 10-15 spots, taking Cush, and picking up a few extra picks is one scenario I’d be okay with.

I think Cushenberry is better too. Ruiz looks like he is doing more..but Cush controls his man better.

Tribal Warfare 04-19-2020 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14916604)
Watching NFLN & they are showing Caught in the Draft marathon. Some really great stuff.

The Mel Kiper thing in 1994 with the Colts is classic.

Who the hell is Mel Kiper!


I remember watching the Trev Alberts debate, for years after he "busted" ESPN inflated Mel's ego for his evaluation at the time as correct

kccrow 04-20-2020 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14874491)
Epenesa

Agree with you. I'm at the point with looking at this draft, I just like him more than most other potential options. I'd package at least a 2021 2nd to go up and get him if that's what they think it would take. He's far quicker and faster on the field than that combine and is just a load to block.

tatorhog 04-22-2020 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox (Post 14892708)
Ruiz is consistently graded as a first round pick and is probably the safe pick at center... but I’ve seen quite a few people who have a Cushenberry ahead of Ruiz. Flip side, I’ve also seen people who have Cushenberry as a 2nd or 3rd round pick and a clear tier below Ruiz. Will be interesting to see where he falls - I personally like Cushenberry better. Trading down 10-15 spots, taking Cush, and picking up a few extra picks is one scenario I’d be okay with.

I wouldn't rule out Matt Hennessy as a 3rd round option for a center.

DrRyan 04-22-2020 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tatorhog (Post 14923421)
I wouldn't rule out Matt Hennessy as a 3rd round option for a center.

I like him a ton. I expect he goes before 96 though.


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