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Amnorix 02-15-2018 03:13 PM
The Future of the Entertainment Industry
 
This thread is being started as a spin-off (see what i did there) from the NFL ratings decline thread in the Lounge. Trying to take advantage of Dane's knowledge of the industry, I asked what the future of movie-making is, given the shift in demographics and how younger generations are receiving content.

I also wondered whether movie theaters would go the way of the dodo, or more specifically Blockbuster, and my kids would be telling their kids about how they used to exist but now don't.

banecat 02-15-2018 03:38 PM
I only watch blockbusters at a theater. And with how many of them are turning into places that serve gourmet food, mixed drinks on recliners it could keep them in business a little longer than if they hadn't tried a transition. Network television is funny they're really trying to become basic cable with how they format their shows. And with how they cast as I only see promos while watching sports. I did catch an episode of Discovery. The opening titles reminded me of a cross between season one of True Detective, and Westworld.

Netflix is interesting as it seems they their competitors have tried to box them out, but it didn't work. I wonder how long they can outbid everyone for the shows that they do steal away from other channels. A lot of their material is available for rent on other forums. Amazon has the inside edge with renting what doesn't come with a membership, offering music, and being propped up by an online retailer the likes that hasn't been seen yet.

It's interesting to watch how it all has changed. And how it continues to change so quickly. And how much it will still be changing. Just in the networks with being so mammoth it'll be interesting to see how long they move so slowly, or if they adapt better eventually. I'm not sure how long game shows, reality shows, cop drama, court drama, fire and rescue drama, and the like can sustain them

Dayze 02-15-2018 03:58 PM
I couldn't tell you the last time I went to see a movie in a theater. The last one that I definitely remember is "The Departed". I know there's been another since then because I remember leaving our current residence to go see it (and we've only been in this place 6 years).....but I can't for the life of me remember what movie it was.


I usually grab them off Red Box.
Netflix pretty much blows in terms of recent theater movies, IMO. but good for documentaries, comedy specials, shows, Netflix Originals etc.

we used to have all the movie channels on our DTV, but they too began to suck out loud. 2 years ago we downgraded to only HBO, and we're thinking of dropping that as well. Same old movies; never seems like there's anything 'new' per se. I'm sure there are, it just doesn't seem like it.

I won't say I'll never go to a theater again, but man....I haven't seen anything advertised that made me think "man, I gotta go see this". Sad. I used to love going - but price vs. quality of movie has been out of whack for me for quite a while.

DaneMcCloud 02-15-2018 04:09 PM
The major studios have discussed a "Video On Demand" service that would allow people to see newly released feature films within weeks of the initial release but decided against it.

While ticket sales were down 6% from 2016, it can partially be due to the fact that 2017 didn't offer any blockbuster films, outside of The Last Jedi (which came in way short of expectations). Next year should be markedly better, with Solo, Avengers, Ant-Man & Wasp, etc.

But keep in mind, Box Office revenues were still $11.1 billion dollars, and that doesn't include the billions of dollars generated by the theater chains and exhibitors.

Overall box office attendance peaked in 2002, so this isn't a brand new trend. But as theaters continue to upgrade their sound systems, seating and concessions (more and more are serving alcohol, have built-in restaurants, pre-sale seats and more), nothing can truly replace the movie theater experience.

bowener 02-15-2018 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 13418889)
I couldn't tell you the last time I went to see a movie in a theater. The last one that I definitely remember is "The Departed". I know there's been another since then because I remember leaving our current residence to go see it (and we've only been in this place 6 years).....but I can't for the life of me remember what movie it was.


I usually grab them off Red Box.
Netflix pretty much blows in terms of recent theater movies, IMO. but good for documentaries, comedy specials, shows, Netflix Originals etc.

we used to have all the movie channels on our DTV, but they too began to suck out loud. 2 years ago we downgraded to only HBO, and we're thinking of dropping that as well. Same old movies; never seems like there's anything 'new' per se. I'm sure there are, it just doesn't seem like it.

I won't say I'll never go to a theater again, but man....I haven't seen anything advertised that made me think "man, I gotta go see this". Sad. I used to love going - but price vs. quality of movie has been out of whack for me for quite a while.
There is a thread on this, but consider getting moviepass. Drop HBO and use that money to get two moviepasses. It should be nearly the exact same cost overall. You can see a movie a day for $9 a month. It is fantastic. I've been going to the theater to watch films I normally wouldn't spend money on and to watch rereleases of older films like Jaws or Alien. You can use moviepass and still get rewards on your theater's loyalty program as well, which means every couple of films you see, you get some free popcorn and drinks.

DaneMcCloud 02-15-2018 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13418855)
I only watch blockbusters at a theater. And with how many of them are turning into places that serve gourmet food, mixed drinks on recliners it could keep them in business a little longer than if they hadn't tried a transition.
We've had those types of accomodations for more than 15 years in Hollywood.

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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13418855)
Network television is funny they're really trying to become basic cable with how they format their shows. And with how they cast as I only see promos while watching sports.
This is false. Due to FCC regulations, Over-The-Air broadcast networks will never compete with cable or streaming services due to content, violence, sex and language restrictions.

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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13418855)
I did catch an episode of Discovery. The opening titles reminded me of a cross between season one of True Detective, and Westworld.
That's because CBS has created their own streaming service, which isn't regulated like OTA broadcast networks by the FCC. All of the CBS All Access programming is available via Netflix X-US.

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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13418855)
Netflix is interesting as it seems they their competitors have tried to box them out, but it didn't work. I wonder how long they can outbid everyone for the shows that they do steal away from other channels.
Steal away? Netflix licenses content that they don't create from the Original Content Creator/owners of the IP.

The Netflix "End Game" is create enough original content to lure subscribers and not so much about licensing other big name content. As of 2019, all of the Disney content moves to Disney's new streaming service.

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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13418855)
A lot of their material is available for rent on other forums. Amazon has the inside edge with renting what doesn't come with a membership, offering music, and being propped up by an online retailer the likes that hasn't been seen yet.
I don't even understand what you're stating here.

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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13418855)
I'm not sure how long game shows, reality shows, cop drama, court drama, fire and rescue drama, and the like can sustain them
LMAO

Are you kidding me? Reality TV is going NO WHERE. As for typical Broadcast Network fare, networks will continue to air those types of shows as long as there's a huge audience (i.e., Advertising dollars).

Dayze 02-15-2018 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 13418939)
There is a thread on this, but consider getting moviepass. Drop HBO and use that money to get two moviepasses. It should be nearly the exact same cost overall. You can see a movie a day for $9 a month. It is fantastic. I've been going to the theater to watch films I normally wouldn't spend money on and to watch rereleases of older films like Jaws or Alien. You can use moviepass and still get rewards on your theater's loyalty program as well, which means every couple of films you see, you get some free popcorn and drinks.
:hmmm:

thanks mang. I need to look into it.

Mephistopheles Janx 02-15-2018 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 13418957)
:hmmm:

thanks mang. I need to look into it.
Already a (short) thread here about it...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=313921

CoMoChief 02-15-2018 05:10 PM
Part of it is Trump effect. Hollywood and sports have done as great job of tuning out half of their fanbase because of the nonstop anti trump, anti conservative rhetoric.

Other than a few shows, Chiefs games or KU bball games, I dont watch TV anymore, partially in part due to the above. ESPN has become unwatchable, so has comedy central other than South Park, none of the network shows have anything to offer.

I like watching documentaries on YouTube, Smithsonian channels...maybe im showing my older age now. In terms of movies, Ill only see the major blockbusters, MCU, Star Wars, DC etc...or if its a war movie like Dunkirk, Darkest Hour etc. Movies have just gotten too expensive now. People are tired of the Hollywood crap, movies are trash, about 4 or 5 studios own everything now.

DaneMcCloud 02-15-2018 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 13419050)
Part of it is Trump effect.
LMAO

How can someone be educated yet so stupid?

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 13419050)
People are tired of the Hollywood crap, movies are trash, about 4 or 5 studios own everything now.
$11.1 billion dollars in box office ticket sales says otherwise.

Deberg_1990 02-15-2018 06:01 PM
I absolutely love the theater experience. I only go to the good theaters though. Reclining seats, big screens, great sound etc....

Unfortunately, yes I see it die if out eventually. Myself I only go watch blockbusters. The middle tier ‘adult movies’ feel like they are being phased out or relegated to cable and streaming services


It feels like everything is going to get consolidated at some point. Basically just Disney, Netflix and Amazon

DaneMcCloud 02-15-2018 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13419116)
Unfortunately, yes I see it die if out eventually. Myself I only go watch blockbusters.
A $20 billion dollar+ industry isn't going to die any time soon, if ever.

Nothing can replace the theater experience and with movies like the new Avatar series being available in glasses-free 3D, more people will flock to the theaters than ever before.

The Top 33 movies of 2017 earned $100 million dollars or more. I don't know if that meets your personal "blockbuster" threshold but there's no way those films would have earned that kind of money (or have been made) if they were distributed on Netflix, Hulu or Amazon.

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13419116)
The middle tier ‘adult movies’ feel like they are being phased out or relegated to cable and streaming services
This is because those movies don't earn at the box office. They eat up theater space and don't result in huge concession sales, either.

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13419116)
It feels like everything is going to get consolidated at some point. Basically just Disney, Netflix and Amazon
Well, that's definitely not happening.

Universal, Sony and Warner Brothers all have excellent distribution networks and more and more production companies are popping up each year thanks to Private Equity firms investing in film. The Chinese are investing in Hollywood films, too.

Deberg_1990 02-15-2018 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13419130)

The Top 33 movies of 2017 earned $100 million dollars or more. I don't know if that meets your personal "blockbuster" threshold but there's no way those films would have earned that kind of money (or have been made) if they were distributed on Netflix, Hulu or Amazon.



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Interesting you say that. I feel like Netflix tried to create a Blockbuster type film with Bright. They obviously touted it as a success but I feel like it wouldn’t have been a success in theaters.

DaneMcCloud 02-15-2018 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13419148)
Interesting you say that. I feel like Netflix tried to create a Blockbuster type film with Bright. They obviously touted it as a success but I feel like it wouldn’t have been a success in theaters.
They did and failed.

The latest Cloverfield film is another example of a film that would have utterly failed at the box office.

ChiliConCarnage 02-15-2018 06:52 PM
International box office is important in a way it never was previously for movies.

Apple recently lost a bidding war on a new JJ Abrams series. It's sort of interesting to see all of these companies jumping into the content creation role. Netflix has really thrown down the money for top producers recently.

banecat 02-15-2018 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13418944)
We've had those types of accomodations for more than 15 years in Hollywood.

I'm not sure of how long they've been available out here in the Midwest, or In SE Texas where I spent last year



This is false. Due to FCC regulations, Over-The-Air broadcast networks will never compete with cable or streaming services due to content, violence, sex and language restrictions.

I only see ads for the shows if I watch a game. It could be how they're marketing them. Making them appear more like a show on basic cable. They will as they have always pressed their boundaries as far as content. Without getting this kicked over to DC, I wonder how long they push their limits before they say **** it, and just pay the fines with how much ratings would skyrocket at least for awhile, or if society's standards can get to a point where either few are offended. Or don't care about such trivial issues



That's because CBS has created their own streaming service, which isn't regulated like OTA broadcast networks by the FCC. All of the CBS All Access programming is available via Netflix X-US.



Steal away? Netflix licenses content that they don't create from the Original Content Creator/owners of the IP.

The Netflix "End Game" is create enough original content to lure subscribers and not so much about licensing other big name content. As of 2019, all of the Disney content moves to Disney's new streaming service.


Yes, I misspoke or mistyped. I don't follow it closely enough. But what I've heard is that for a long time Netflix snatched up what a lot of other companies were passing up. Once they were successful enough they started outbidding the same companies. You'll be able to answer when or if it has happened as to if they're in the same league and people will or are just choosing to work with them


I don't even understand what you're stating here.

When I had Prime I could rent everything from Netflix like House of Cards or OITNB only a season behind. Similar to YouTube offering the same deal


LMAO

Are you kidding me? Reality TV is going NO WHERE. As for typical Broadcast Network fare, networks will continue to air those types of shows as long as there's a huge audience (i.e., Advertising dollars).
True. Whatever the ratings are showing where advertising dollars will be best spent. Maybe they'll eventually show wrestling seven days a week

DaneMcCloud 02-15-2018 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage (Post 13419216)
International box office is important in a way it never was previously for movies.

Apple recently lost a bidding war on a new JJ Abrams series. It's sort of interesting to see all of these companies jumping into the content creation role. Netflix has really thrown down the money for top producers recently.
It’s the future of at-home entertainment.

People like to leave the house so movie theaters, especially high end theaters, won’t go out of style anytime soon.

007 02-17-2018 06:26 AM
I'm pretty much done with movie theaters. I just wait for it to go to the local discount theater or wait for the digital version to come out.

I've only gone to maybe three movies in the last 6 months and each time I came away wishing I had just waited for it to be available to watch in the comfort of my own home.

dirk digler 02-17-2018 08:37 AM
I don't mind going to the theaters but it is pretty pricey especially if you get concessions.

If there was a service that let you watch blockbusters\new releases when they come out at home with a reasonable price then theaters would disappear. And no I am not talking about the movie industry stupid idea of $50\movie or whatever exorbitant price it was.

BigRedChief 02-17-2018 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13418855)
with how many of them are turning into places that serve gourmet food, mixed drinks on recliners it could keep them in business a little longer than if they hadn't tried a transition.
It makes a difference to me whether they have the recliner seats. Every theatre in my area now has the those seats but the one closest to me. Its in a high end part of town and always busy. I guess they are thinking why spend the money to upgrade? I will drive 20-30 minutes father to go to a better theater.
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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13418855)
Netflix is interesting as it seems they their competitors have tried to box them out, but it didn't work.
Its about competition. Netflix is spending money on better quality shows, paying top $ to comedians(first Chris Rock,Chappele special in 15 years), getting better actors/Directors for their original content. Everyone of these major entertainment players want their own online streaming option. If it wasn't for this, we'd still be seeing 75% of their original content being unknown actors talking about their feelings in low budget productions.

BigRedChief 02-17-2018 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 13421862)
I don't mind going to the theaters but it is pretty pricey especially if you get concessions.
I'll go to $5 Tuesdays, or the $5 matinees on rainy days. I rarely go full price.We got one of those refillable buckets for popcorn so thats only $4. Its not very cool to carry that into a theatre but I'm not a cool person to anyone but family and friends.:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 13421862)
If there was a service that let you watch blockbusters\new releases when they come out at home with a reasonable price then theaters would disappear. And no I am not talking about the movie industry stupid idea of $50\movie or whatever exorbitant price it was.
I have an 80in state of the art TV at home with surround sound. Yet, I still like seeing movies on the big screen.I dont see that changing just because I can see it at home on opening weekend.

DJJasonp 02-17-2018 09:40 AM
I pretty much agree with most of what Dane is saying except the "not being able to recreate" the movie theater experience at home.

I've spent a chunk on 4k, dolby atmos, etc. etc. I would much rather watch a film at home (with no cell phones/cell phone lights....no teenagers chatting, etc. etc).

That said - I still go to the theater for movies that I dont want to wait for them to be released for home (or I'm afraid I'll see a spoiler on social media).

I think Dane mentioned this in a different thread a while back - going out to a movie, especially with the new theaters with booze, etc. (and throw in food/parking in some places) - it can cost a small fortune.

Mosbonian 02-17-2018 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13419055)
LMAO

How can someone be educated yet so stupid?



$11.1 billion dollars in box office ticket sales says otherwise.
But here is the question I would have....I know $11B is a big number and everyone touts that.

But what were the expectations and could it have been even larger if theaters appealed to the larger masses.

Honestly...I don't know the answer, but that would be the first question I would ask.

Mosbonian 02-17-2018 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13421882)
I'll go to $5 Tuesdays, or the $5 matinees on rainy days. I rarely go full price.We got one of those refillable buckets for popcorn so thats only $4. Its not very cool to carry that into a theatre but I'm not a cool person to anyone but family and friends.:rolleyes:
.
This is what I do.....I go to the $5 Tuesday movies in the reserved theaters where the reclining seats are nice. And I always wait until the movie has been out a couple of weeks so I am not in a theater with all the distractions that come with the less considerate. (cell phones....chatters and they aren't just teenagers....the guy who likes to narrate the movie because he read the book or just suspects he knows the plot...etc...)

Myself and a group of guys from our church make the Tuesday night out a "guys night" to watch movies we want to see and our wives don't. It's a great way to build friendships...

But I will show my age and say that if I could pay for an "at home" entertainment option for first run movies I would do it in a heartbeat. No worries about the above distractions, I could pause the movie to get more refreshments/bathroom breaks just like I do now with rentals.

I am looking into the MoviePass option....but the recent article I saw about how the industry is saying it is not a sustainable model made me a bit leery. (AMC already balked at certain aspects of participation).

Another article I saw recently spoke to the issue of how "cutting the cord" hasn't been as smooth as everyone thought. I will have to dig that one out.

Mecca 02-17-2018 01:09 PM
Is the future of America just being a bunch anti-social schlubs that never want to leave their home?

I want to watch everything at home! I want everything delivered to my home! I get that it's easy but geez man the idea of never leaving the house for anything kinda sucks.

AustinChief 02-17-2018 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13422318)
Is the future of America just being a bunch anti-social schlubs that never want to leave their home?

I want to watch everything at home! I want everything delivered to my home! I get that it's easy but geez man the idea of never leaving the house for anything kinda sucks.
I love going out and being social but sitting in a movie theater doesn't really seem very social to me. I go to see big visual blockbusters but as home entertainment systems become bigger and better and cheaper I could easily see myself skipping that as well.

Deberg_1990 02-17-2018 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13422318)
Is the future of America just being a bunch anti-social schlubs that never want to leave their home?

I want to watch everything at home! I want everything delivered to my home! I get that it's easy but geez man the idea of never leaving the house for anything kinda sucks.
Yes.

We have all seen Wall-E

That sh*t was dead on accurate

displacedinMN 02-17-2018 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13422652)
Yes.

We have all seen Wall-E

That sh*t was dead on accurate
Agree. We are seeing it more every day.
Two kids sit next to each other and spend all the time on their phones. Maybe texting each other. Ugh.

WilliamTheIrish 02-17-2018 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13422318)
Is the future of America just being a bunch anti-social schlubs that never want to leave their home?

I want to watch everything at home! I want everything delivered to my home! I get that it's easy but geez man the idea of never leaving the house for anything kinda sucks.
Mecca, talking to others about being a “social schlub “? LMAO

Rausch 02-18-2018 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13419406)
It’s the future of at-home entertainment.

People like to leave the house so movie theaters, especially high end theaters, won’t go out of style anytime soon.
I WILL see IW in the theatre.

In fact I have already taken off and plan to watch it with wife, brother, nephews, and perhaps co-workers.

Deep in the back of my mind I'm worried what happens after Feige leaves.

I thought Luke Cage/Punisher did an excellent job commenting on society without being SJW.

They both pulled you in, made it real, and slowly made a point.

Unfortunately I expect Big-Kev to pull off both big films and then drop the mic and leave...

DaneMcCloud 02-18-2018 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 13423475)
Unfortunately I expect Big-Kev to pull off both big films and then drop the mic and leave...
Where would he go?

DaneMcCloud 02-18-2018 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13421877)
Its about competition. Netflix is spending money on better quality shows, paying top $ to comedians(first Chris Rock,Chappele special in 15 years), getting better actors/Directors for their original content. Everyone of these major entertainment players want their own online streaming option. If it wasn't for this, we'd still be seeing 75% of their original content being unknown actors talking about their feelings in low budget productions.
Netflix is going full bore on original content, especially with their Disney deal ending in 2019.

The idea for them is to become like HBO: Excellent original entertainment that can't be found elsewhere while licensing blockbuster films.

DaneMcCloud 02-18-2018 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 13421963)
I pretty much agree with most of what Dane is saying except the "not being able to recreate" the movie theater experience at home.

I've spent a chunk on 4k, dolby atmos, etc. etc. I would much rather watch a film at home (with no cell phones/cell phone lights....no teenagers chatting, etc. etc).
That's truly awesome but it's not a luxury afforded by the overwhelming majority of people.

DaneMcCloud 02-18-2018 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 13422054)
But here is the question I would have....I know $11B is a big number and everyone touts that. But what were the expectations
The 2017 box office ticket sales were down 4% compared to 2016. It peaked in 2002 and we'll likely never see that many tickets sold again.

As for expectations, Disney came in a minimum of $250 million short of expectations (The Last Jedi) but they still earned the most of any film division in the world.

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 13422054)
could it have been even larger if theaters appealed to the larger masses.
$11.1 billion in ticket sales represents an appeal to customers. As for the theaters appealing to the "larger masses", I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

BWillie 02-18-2018 01:41 PM
People are always looking for things to do. Going to a movie is an experience that will always be wanted. Sure you can always watch the movie at home but many ppl just go to movies for a reason to get out of the house.

Buehler445 02-18-2018 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13421882)
I'll go to $5 Tuesdays, or the $5 matinees on rainy days. I rarely go full price.We got one of those refillable buckets for popcorn so thats only $4. Its not very cool to carry that into a theatre but I'm not a cool person to anyone but family and friends.:rolleyes:
I have an 80in state of the art TV at home with surround sound. Yet, I still like seeing movies on the big screen.I dont see that changing just because I can see it at home on opening weekend.
I think that’s where it is going. The industry will keep leaning towards filling the slate with blockbusters that are formatted to be viewed on giant ass screens.

Bowser 02-18-2018 02:13 PM
Those Prime seats are amazing, and nobody will ever duplicate the feel or sound of a movie in their house, no matter how close they get. Movie going is as much an experience as the movie itself, imo.

BigRedChief 02-18-2018 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13423536)
Netflix is going full bore on original content, especially with their Disney deal ending in 2019.

The idea for them is to become like HBO: Excellent original entertainment that can't be found elsewhere while licensing blockbuster films.
I thought Godless was the best cinematography on made for TV I’ve ever seen. Altered Carbon was the best special effects so far for original content on Netflix.

Ive been with Netflix since the DVD rental days. They have stepped up the quality of their recently released original content. Competition is a good thing. It pushes everyone to make a better product.

saphojunkie 02-18-2018 04:35 PM
So many more parts to this but I am too tired to get into it today. In short, the idea that kids are gonna stop going to movies is ridiculous, as they are the ones who drive ticket sales.

Also, no one giving foreign sales enough credit for their impact. It's why some people won't work with Netflix, because you don't actually own your content with foreign participation.

BigRedChief 02-18-2018 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13424017)

Also, no one giving foreign sales enough credit for their impact. It's why some people won't work with Netflix, because you don't actually own your content with foreign participation.
thats what competition will do. First one to give up the foreign piece to the artist, will open the floodgates.

DaneMcCloud 02-18-2018 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13424017)
It's why some people won't work with Netflix, because you don't actually own your content with foreign participation.
Netflix notoriously pays composers pretty shitty as well.

I wouldn't be opposed to scoring a Netflix original but it would have to be something "easy" and in my "wheelhouse" in which I could crank out quickly because opposed to other networks, it's not worth the time.

Chief Pagan 02-18-2018 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 13422484)
I love going out and being social but sitting in a movie theater doesn't really seem very social to me. I go to see big visual blockbusters but as home entertainment systems become bigger and better and cheaper I could easily see myself skipping that as well.
The people who think going to a movie theater is social is the biggest problem with movie theaters.

And crank that volume up. I'm willing to wear ear protection as long as they drown those people out. Not that I see very many films in theaters anymore.

DaneMcCloud 02-19-2018 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 13424095)
The people who think going to a movie theater is social is the biggest problem with movie theaters.

And crank that volume up. I'm willing to wear ear protection as long as they drown those people out. Not that I see very many films in theaters anymore.
I don't know where you're seeing movies but here in SoCal/Hollywood, my kids need to wear ear protection to reduce the volume, especially for films like Star Wars, Jumanji, etc.

And forget about IMAX. It's so loud that I should probably wear ear protection.

Deberg_1990 02-19-2018 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13424971)
I don't know where you're seeing movies but here in SoCal/Hollywood, my kids need to wear ear protection to reduce the volume, especially for films like Star Wars, Jumanji, etc.

And forget about IMAX. It's so loud that I should probably wear ear protection.
Ive noticed that sound and projection varies alot from theater to theater. I have my favorites in my area and some theaters i flat out refuse to give money to anymore. They dont care about the quality of the presentation.

DaneMcCloud 02-19-2018 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13425123)
Ive noticed that sound and projection varies alot from theater to theater. I have my favorites in my area and some theaters i flat out refuse to give money to anymore. They dont care about the quality of the presentation.
Is it certain chains or just certain theaters in particular?

I had a particularly bad experience the day after Thanksgiving 2017 at AMC Burbank 16, which is normally excellent. I'm a Stubs Premiere Member and as such, always receive a survey after visiting. I voiced my displeasure in a nice way and a few days later, the theater manager contacted me.

He thanked me for informing him of the experience and sent 8 AMC Red Passes in the mail. I've noticed that the service has been better since.

Deberg_1990 02-19-2018 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13425143)
Is it certain chains or just certain theaters in particular?

I had a particularly bad experience the day after Thanksgiving 2017 at AMC Burbank 16, which is normally excellent. I'm a Stubs Premiere Member and as such, always receive a survey after visiting. I voiced my displeasure in a nice way and a few days later, the theater manager contacted me.

He thanked me for informing him of the experience and sent 8 AMC Red Passes in the mail. I've noticed that the service has been better since.
Regal in my area isn’t very good

The best ones In my area are Santikos. It’s a local chain here in Texas.

I also like Drafthouse, but some of their theaters aren’t very well maintained and stink of beer and food.

notorious 02-19-2018 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13418923)
The major studios have discussed a "Video On Demand" service that would allow people to see newly released feature films within weeks of the initial release but decided against it.



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I would love to see this, but pirating would destroy their revenue since one stream could be ripped and offered to everyone for free.

Sucks, but I think that’s what scares them.

DaneMcCloud 02-19-2018 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13425511)
I would love to see this, but pirating would destroy their revenue since one stream could be ripped and offered to everyone for free.

Sucks, but I think that’s what scares them.
Pirating isn’t the only issue. Putting the Exhibitors out of business isn’t exactly the byproduct they want.

In addition, the major studios would be devaluing their product by allowing same day VOD.

It’s a very complex issue.

BigRedChief 02-19-2018 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13425585)
Pirating isn’t the only issue. Putting the Exhibitors out of business isn’t exactly the byproduct they want.
l don’t see any way that movie theatres go away anytime soon. How else are the studios going to make a BILLION$’s on a movie without theatres?

SAUTO 02-19-2018 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13425585)
Pirating isn’t the only issue. Putting the Exhibitors out of business isn’t exactly the byproduct they want.

In addition, the major studios would be devaluing their product by allowing same day VOD.

It’s a very complex issue.
I its simple. Charge 10 bucks over what it costs a couple people to go to the theater. Hell make it 20 or 30

007 02-20-2018 01:33 AM
So jealous of all the choices the rest of you have. We have two theaters in our city. One for first runs and the other for the cheap rerun. We have no Imax, no huge screens, no reclining seats, and no leg room. Its infuriating.

OH, and not to mention, our theaters cost more than the KC theaters 70 miles away.

Deberg_1990 02-20-2018 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13425676)
I its simple. Charge 10 bucks over what it costs a couple people to go to the theater. Hell make it 20 or 30
The film production companies don’t want to ruin their business model and put the exhibitors out of business. It’s relationship that spans decades. I’m sure it’s a very complex issue.

Buehler445 02-20-2018 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13426149)
So jealous of all the choices the rest of you have. We have two theaters in our city. One for first runs and the other for the cheap rerun. We have no Imax, no huge screens, no reclining seats, and no leg room. Its infuriating.

OH, and not to mention, our theaters cost more than the KC theaters 70 miles away.
I have 0. The closest one is 50 miles away and it is hot garbage.

willi89 02-20-2018 10:29 AM
guess theatres will survive anyway, but maybe only in moderately big towns, where there are enough people to spend their money on the show. most will inevitably stick to netflix and the like

SAUTO 02-20-2018 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13426149)
So jealous of all the choices the rest of you have. We have two theaters in our city. One for first runs and the other for the cheap rerun. We have no Imax, no huge screens, no reclining seats, and no leg room. Its infuriating.

OH, and not to mention, our theaters cost more than the KC theaters 70 miles away.
I have 2 that are the same as yours and both over 30 miles away

DaneMcCloud 02-20-2018 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13426202)
I have 0. The closest one is 50 miles away and it is hot garbage.
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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13427421)
I have 2 that are the same as yours and both over 30 miles away
I know that you guys live more than 2,000 miles away from me but I often forget how life can be so much different there than where I live.

I guess that maybe I take all these amenities for granted.

Thanks for the reminder.

BigRedChief 02-20-2018 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13427433)
I know that you guys live more than 2,000 miles away from me but I often forget how life can be so much different there than where I live.

I guess that maybe I take all these amenities for granted.

Thanks for the reminder.
yeah l was bitching in one of these threads about the closest theatre to me not having the recliner seats. I’ve got another 3 state of the art theatres within 15-25 minutes of my house. I was assuming it was that way in most non-rural Areas.

007 02-20-2018 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13427433)
I know that you guys live more than 2,000 miles away from me but I often forget how life can be so much different there than where I live.

I guess that maybe I take all these amenities for granted.

Thanks for the reminder.
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13427542)
yeah l was bitching in one of these threads about the closest theatre to me not having the recliner seats. I’ve got another 3 state of the art theatres within 15-25 minutes of my house. I was assuming it was that way in most non-rural Areas.
I see how many options there are in KC alone and also when I visit Omaha. It just pisses me off how Topeka is so damned backwards. Shit, even Lawrence has a theater with recliners for crying out loud.

That said, I know if Topeka upgraded their theater whey would also upgrade the pricing. Its already more expensive than a KC theater. I'd hate to see what they would charge for Imax here. Would probably rival California prices.

Rausch 02-20-2018 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13427433)
I know that you guys live more than 2,000 miles away from me but I often forget how life can be so much different there than where I live.
I think producers/directors/screen writers are guilty of the same.

In a lot of films they honestly don't think they've put political themes/messaging in their work but to anyone not on either coast it's heavy handed.

And I think brand name has a big influence on if someone is willing to plop down $50 for a family of 4 to go watch a flick out. I can only think of two (Marvel and early Pixar) studios that continually put out a solid product and you EXPECT the next one you watch to be as good or better.

Once you've established this type of positive relationship with the ticket-buyer even your 3 star movies bring in 4 star profits...

Rausch 02-20-2018 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13427973)
I see how many options there are in KC alone and also when I visit Omaha. It just pisses me off how Topeka is so damned backwards. Shit, even Lawrence has a theater with recliners for crying out loud.
Here in Jeff we're living in the 90's.

We do have 3D films here but the theater itself is an early 90's relic...

mnchiefsguy 02-21-2018 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13427973)
I see how many options there are in KC alone and also when I visit Omaha. It just pisses me off how Topeka is so damned backwards. Shit, even Lawrence has a theater with recliners for crying out loud.

That said, I know if Topeka upgraded their theater whey would also upgrade the pricing. Its already more expensive than a KC theater. I'd hate to see what they would charge for Imax here. Would probably rival California prices.
New theater is being built in Topeka that will have recliners, food, bar, etc.

http://www.cjonline.com/news/busines...anned-29th-and

007 02-22-2018 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 13429685)
New theater is being built in Topeka that will have recliners, food, bar, etc.

http://www.cjonline.com/news/busines...anned-29th-and
Yeah, I know. They've been talking about it for years. One of those things that I'll believe it when I see it.

the biggest issue with that is the absolutely horrible location. That intersection at 29th and Fairlawn is a damn nightmare already and now they want to increase the traffic even more. While everyone wants another theater option in Topeka, not many want it in that location. Personally, I think its a mistake to put it there and the location will ultimately kill it.


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