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nuff said

Because we are the Chiefs.

He would be great with Kelce yeah?

ends the game going 4-22 but will be nominated president soon

got shit blocked too......missed every big shot in 4th and OT. This is all just hype/ GS peed down their ****ing legs. Did a lot of dumb shit. I only trust the Purple and Gold....

Crown his ass!

He is who he thought he might be and that's a hype machine.

11/34

Just an amazing performance.

That's how mother ****ing kings do it.

He was crying like a Jayhawk when a wildcat storms the court LMAO

Triple double when his team needed him most.

:LOL:LMAO

cheufs

Nothing like a bunch of Kansas City rednecks trying to talk basketball.

LMAO

Jamexcuses.

He'd better hope Curry keeps shooting 2/15 from three point range...

**** LeBron

Prime Kobe > Prime LeBron. I stand by that, sue me



You got your OPINION and I got MINE. But to say that Kobe had the most help EVER in the history of the NBA? Never mind Showtime, Bird's Celtics, Bad Boys, The Bulls, YES, the Bulls, Sixers with Moses Malone and Dr. J, etc. etc.......unbelievable. He had more than what was on THOSE teams? I am sure I am leaving some others out that won and didn't win. In fact, Portland and Sac were more LOADED than Kobe and Shaq's teams. The Portland series was billed as TWO DEEP vs. TOO DEEP.

It's amazing that Hootie's metrics didn't include Russell, Wilt, Magic, Barry, Walton, Oscar Robertson, etc. in the top 25 in playoff performances. I guess they suck too. I am sure everyone on that list is > than them too. At lease Kobe made your list. Formulas can't measure heart, will to win, intangibles, etc. There is sooo much more to the game than numbers generated from a computer.

As far as shooting %, I am sure there are players that were very efficient coming off of picks and only shot good shots and had an excellent shooting %, but they are not considered all time great players. Players like Dale Ellis, Jeff Hornacek, Reggie Miller while good players, can't measure up to MJ and Kobe.



Sometimes I lose my cool when I read ridiculous statements about my team and its superstars with tired old ignorant played out clichés and have people come at me with personal attacks because I and a host of others feel Kobe > LeBron in their primes. Don't expect sugar in return.


With that, enjoy the game tonight everybody. Hopefully we can have a GAME to talk about soon.

Prime Kobe > Prime LeBron. I stand by that, sue me



You got your OPINION and I got MINE. But to say that Kobe had the most help EVER in the history of the NBA? Never mind Showtime, Bird's Celtics, Bad Boys, The Bulls, YES, the Bulls, Sixers with Moses Malone and Dr. J, etc. etc.......unbelievable. He had more than what was on THOSE teams? I am sure I am leaving some others out that won and didn't win. In fact, Portland and Sac were more LOADED than Kobe and Shaq's teams. The Portland series was billed as TWO DEEP vs. TOO DEEP.

It's amazing that Hootie's metrics didn't include Russell, Wilt, Magic, Barry, Walton, Oscar Robertson, etc. in the top 25 in playoff performances. I guess they suck too. I am sure everyone on that list is > than them too. At lease Kobe made your list. Formulas can't measure heart, will to win, intangibles, etc. There is sooo much more to the game than numbers generated from a computer.

As far as shooting %, I am sure there are players that were very efficient coming off of picks and only shot good shots and had an excellent shooting %, but they are not considered all time great players. Players like Dale Ellis, Jeff Hornacek, Reggie Miller while good players, can't measure up to MJ and Kobe.



Sometimes I lose my cool when I read ridiculous statements about my team and its superstars with tired old ignorant played out clichés and have people come at me with personal attacks because I and a host of others feel Kobe > LeBron in their primes. Don't expect sugar in return.


With that, enjoy the game tonight everybody. Hopefully we can have a GAME to talk about soon.

Warriors still winning in 5 or 6. Media overreaction.

LeBron is an amazing, generational talent. He just isn't a closer. He is one of the best to ever do it when it comes to building a lead and putting his team in position to win. He just typically doesn't execute down the stretch (see games 1 and 2 as examples).

Give me Kobe and MJ all day over Bron.

nuff said???? you didn't say anything.

hahahahha this is such bullshit.

Go to google, look up "kobe bryant clutch study". It's all bullshit. If you go based on % of opportunities, Kobe's efficiency rate is TERRIBLE in the last couple possessions of a game. He just ensures that he takes basically all the shots at that point, which lends itself to more game winning shots, but you don't ever hear about the times he blew it. One thing I like about Lebron, is how he is willing to not take the shots in the last possessions of the game. He will get it to the open guy if he has to. Now on this team, I don't know if he can do that, but in the past he has.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/1/3...ch-lakers-data

Not bullshit at all. I don't care about just the last shot. I mean the end of games, 4th quarter, all of that.

Bron was 4 of his last 22 yesterday. He was equally terrible in the 4th and OT in game 1.

his new sprite flavor is ****ing dank

So he completely carries his team through two finals games and it tires him out by the end? Unbelieveable!

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/8...stics-warriors

So LeBron knows how to get things done when his team needs him most? yeah, that 2-3 mark in the finals is very convincing. Thanks Kwahi Leonard for missing a FT and Ray Allen for bailing him out to barely get the second one after he had basically choked.....again

I swear it is peyton manning ish but peyton doesn't even have good playoff games half the time. He has like about 7 one and dones in the playoffs. He is Mr. September.

I get it, dude. Kobe has more rings. If that's your argument, then there's no discussing it. (Until of course James has 5 or more. Then it'll be something else.)

Regular Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds

Kobe: 48 for 165 (29.1%)

LeBron: 29 for 99 (29.3%)

Last 30 seconds

Kobe (since 01): 54 for 176 (30.68%)

LeBron: 33 for 108 (30.56%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe (since 01): 130 for 346 (37.57%)

LeBron: 89 for 227 (39.21%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 2001 season): 243 for 586 (41.47%)

LeBron (since 04 season): 189 for 434 (43.55%)

Conclusion: Neither Kobe or LeBron shoot a good percentage when the time is winding down (last 30 seconds or less) although LeBron has the edge in the last 24 seconds compared to Kobe having the edge in the last 30 seconds (all be it by the smallest of margins). In the last 2 minutes and 5 minutes of a regular season game LeBron has the edge over Kobe. Overall I would give LeBron the edge as he leads in 3 out of the 4 categories.

Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)

LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)

Last 30 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till present day)

LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in the last two playoffs; 2010 and 2011)

LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)

LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)

Conclusion: In the last 24 seconds and 30 seconds of a post season game Kobe only shoots 25%, which is terrible. LeBron however is clearly ‘more clutch’ shooting 41% in the last 24 seconds and 47% in the last 30 seconds of a game. This disparity between LeBron and Kobe continues as in the last 2 minutes and 5 minutes of a game LeBron shoots 14% higher than Kobe in both circumstances. Overall LeBron is more ‘clutch’ in a land-slide.

Game 7 of a Playoff Series

Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)

LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (*NBA Record)

Elimination Games

Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)

LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)

Game 7 of their most recent NBA Finals

Kobe in game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals: 23 points, 6-for-24 shooting (0 for 6 from 3pt range), 25% FG, 15 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 4 turnovers

LeBron in game 7 of the 2013 NBA Finals: 37 points, 12 for 23 shooting (5 for 7 from 3pt range), 52% FG, 12 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and 2 turnovers.

So, out of all of those "clutch, closer moments" between the two ... please tell me, again, how Kobe is more clutch than LeBron?

I've delivered like 25 kill shots to Kobe:

FACTS: HE'S NOT MORE CLUTCH THAN LEBRON; HE DOESN'T HAVE BETTER STATISTICS THAN LEBRON; HE'S NOT EVEN AS CLOSE TO EFFICIENT AS LEBRON; HE'S NOT THE DEFENDER LEBRON IS; HE'S A TERRIBLE TEAMMATE COMPARED TO LEBRON; HE'S UNCOACHABLE TO THE POINT WHERE PHIL JACKSON WROTE A BOOK ABOUT HIM AND DEMANDED HE BE TRADED SEVERAL TIMES

...and I've posted all of his 4th quarter / OT (regular season and postseason) numbers which show that he isn't clutch, or even close to being clutch. In fact, his super efficient Laker teams of the early 2000s become amazingly terrible in the final 3 minutes of the 4th quarters (gee, I wonder why). Phil wrote in his book about how Kobe tried to play hero ball and wouldn't allow the team to run their offense because he wanted to make the last shot rather than make the right play.

There is nothing in this world that supports the fact Kobe is better than LeBron. Or even in the same neighborhood. Nothing. Nothing.

Please. I'm all ears. Tell me how Kobe is better than LeBron and do it without mentioning the fact he won 5 titles. Pippen won 6th being the 2nd best player on his team. Kobe won 5 and he was arguably the best player on his team twice (and that's super debatable).

"Hero ball". It's stupid. I don't know where you got your numbers, but if that is true, then just throwing it to your superstar and "letting them go to work" is not an effective strategy. I don't know why that isn't a "DUH!" idea to most people. Running your normal offense, is much better, because teams shoot on average anywhere from 43% - 49% just playing ****ING BASKETBALL. When you just run iso for your go to scorer to put up a brick for the only reason of letting your superstar have the shot, you are terribly inefficient.

Anyone using Sunday night's game as an argument against Lebron has to be completely insane. He delivered a win on the road in the playoffs against an incredible team while playing with 4 guys he basically met at the Y a couple hours earlier. It was a phenomenal achievement.

Its Chiefsplanet, Most users struggle just talking about football

That is a big part no doubt, people used to say, when he gets 5-6, come talk to me....well I'm talking but people are making excuses for the rings.



It's more than just the rings, it's the skill level, the will to win, mental and physical toughness, having the big balls to take a lot of the shots he does and not worry about the criticism. He is the reason I would keep watching any Laker game no matter the deficit. I stay up and watch every single Laker game instead of looking at box scores to make my assessment and I am on the east coast. Even when I played ball, I had no idea how many points, assists, rebounds, what my % was, I was just trying to win. I think most players are like that.

What I like about Kobe is even if he is 0-50, his mentality is "I am going 1-51in this bitch and we are walking away with the W". He has the killer mentality, the alpha dog mentality. Look at Steph the other night, he did some things that were mind boggling as if his confidence was shook. You will never be able to say Kobe lost confidence in his ability to deliver in a game, no matter what kind of night he is having. Again, he must have been doing something right to get 5 because if he was so selfish and detrimental to a team, there is NO WAY he gets 5 in a TEAM sport. Plus, he is entertaining as hell. When I watch him in person, the buzz in the place is just like it was for MJ. You can't deny that. As much as people talk noise on him, the respect for what he does ON THE COURT is there, that is undeniable.

Wrong on both accounts. GS is not "amazing" and he didn't meet these guys at the Y. They are professional basketball players. Classis case of making it more than what it was to fit an agenda.

We can spin stats, break down what somebody's percentage is in the last 39 seconds of a game on a Wednesday on a full moon in the month of December after getting some punany all we want to but the only stat that matters is the W.

with 24 seconds left...blah...blah..blah...but with 30 1/2 seconds left...blah...blah...who gives a shit?


Just give me the W and I will let the geeks sort out the stats.

Listening to the radio is nauseating. I heard today that LeBron is the one coaching the team and what he is doing rivals what Russell did as player coach with the Celtics.



Stop the madness.

Pretty sure it was those old guys at the Y that rolled LBJs ass last year.

This is some bullshit

So we are just pretending he isn't wearing a merkin on his forehead?

Arrow. Ouch.

Wins > Win shares. PERIOD!

so Pippen > Kobe, right?

LMAO

So true.

I've been living in Los Angeles since 1993. Loved Shaq & Kobe on the floor together and I've been to many, many games.

I'd take LeBron over Kobe any day of the week. He's a beast.

Just keep at it hootie! You'll convince Arrow. He is totally a rational person to be having this discussion with.
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Its entertaining to me. Each seems to mastered the art of 6 consecutive post in a thread about the first random shit that pops into their heads

To those who voted Steph Curry MVP over Mr. James...

You are idiots.

They have to change it up or guys like Jordan and James would have at least 10 each.

Meh, its a regular season award. I don't think people really thought that Curry was the better player.

ROFL


It's nice to see you go all Hootie over something that I agree with. Of course, it also makes me question whether I'm wrong in some way, but that's another story. In any event, carry on!

Nope, Kobe won without Shaq....TWICE, Pip didn't win without Jordan. Pip had a Robin mentality, Kobe has a batman mentality.



See, I consider everything, not just lock myself into one particular formula such as win shares, which according to you have some players rated higher than players I listed earlier when I addressed this. I am not going to keep addressing the same thing over and over or go back and repost it. If you didn't absorb it the first time, too bad. We can agree to disagree. GS is an overrated team, please stop acting like this would be the greatest finals victory in the history of mankind. It's annoying.

GS is a soft jump shooting team. I never trust those kind of teams. It is an aberration when those kind of teams win it all. Defense and rebounding still win titles and Cleveland is kicking GS's soft ass in those areas.

You consider everything ... lol ... yet can't tell me what metric(s) you're using to determine Kobe is better than LeBron and neck and neck with Michael except that he has a 'batman' mentality. This is some hilarious shit. LeBron is 41/13/8.5 through 3 Finals games lmao

There isn't a single statistic that exists that shows Kobe to be a superior player to LeBron. Not one. Please tell me all of these things you're considering, I'd love to know. Since there must be several. You used to hoop, I know!

Damn. Hootie should stick to basketball.

He's actually eating you guys in this arena.

It's been pretty funny watching all the Kobe dick riders get ass raped by Hootie on this.

Golden State went 67-15 in a tough conference with teams 2-6 fighting for the 2 seed and they are a "soft, jump shooting team."

Whatever helps to try and tear LeBron down a notch.

There has never been a more likeable superstar in any sport and people HATE him. It's baffling and insane.

I had always loved Lebron. The Decision made me hate him. Didn't like him at any point while he was in Miami. When he went back home I forgave him like I was born and raised in Cleveland. Never Been there once in my life. Lol it's completely irrational.

But I totally agree. All Time great player. Great teammate. Great member of his community. Great husband and father. Great role model. #IPromise It's pretty baffling why people hate him.

Hard worker, dedicated, I could go on and on and on and on with great qualities that earn our admiration in people. He possesses so many. Yet, he's hated. ROFL

Yes. I was a huge LeBron fan from the get go. I hated the fact he went to Miami and tried to form a "super team." It temporarily made me hate him, too. And I loved that Dallas won that title. As a year or so went by and I started to hate how terrible Chris Bosh was ... LeBron won my respect back. By year 3, my irrational hate subsided and I realized, "gee, this guy might just be the best basketball player I've ever seen."

This series? Good God.

I'll be honest. Because you're a legit Bulls fan AND you aren't a ****ing idiot like these Kobe dick riders about MJ. I NEVER thought in a million years that Bron could touch MJ until a couple of days ago. As a kid my Dad, who ****ing hates basketball took me to 3 different sonics vs Bulls games because he knew that I needed to see Jordan in person. He wanted to see Jordan in person. Even he knew how amazing Michael was.

No human will ever be as clutch as Mike, but I'm on board with thinking maybe...just ****ing maybe we are currently watching the greatest basketball player to ever play. He has more to prove even if he wins this series. While it would be the greatest accomplishment in the history of team sports, he has to continue an entire career of lights out, elite play.

But it blows my mind and it's why I switched and started rooting for him. My childhood team is dead. I'll never have that passion back. So **** it. I was a Warriors fan, now I'm a Cavs fan. I can do that. David Stern made it happen.

I'm just in complete awe that this guy is currently doing what I've sworn my whole life could NEVER be done. And that's compete with MJ to be the best of all time. And Mike was an asshole. Still is. Bron is such a good guy that I'm rooting hard for him to do it. Win 7 titles plus and ride off into the sunset.

Just amazing...

I don't measure greatness by amount of titles won. Kobe doesn't have any defining Finals moments. Michael does. LeBron does (and building). I don't do this in any team sport. It's kind of insane. Kobe won 5 titles because, 5 times (at least), his team was the best team in the NBA.

Is this Cavs team the best team in the NBA? Is it the 5th best team?

MJ had a lot of best teams in the NBA ... but you could argue that in '93, '97 and '98 his team wasn't the best team ... he was just the best player that willed his team to win. Kobe has never, and could never do that.

That's why he tried bitching his way out of LA unless David Stern FORCED Memphis to trade Pau to LA so Kobe had a shot. People forget. That was an NBA forced trade. It was ridiculous.

I agree, but that's what they play for, and I want to see him get it.

*heading over to Google to check out the Pau trade. Don't remember that at all.

you have to realize, draft rights to Marc Gasol (48th overall pick) was a throw-in ... and might make you think the trade was actually ok

but at the time, guys like Simmons basically called it the "worst trade ever" and ragged on Chris Wallace (the then Memphis GM) constantly for it ... saying Stern bullied the trade

I'm not seeing anything about Stern. From what I'm reading it was just a blatant salary dump by Memphis. If there's more to it, I'm all ears. Pops was ****ing livid over it wanting trade committees established to prevent trades like that.

What's crazier to me was paying Aaron Mckie 750k to leave his assistant coaching job in Philly to make the numbers work. That's shady as ****. Mckie didn't want to do it and had to bribed to agree.

I might be mixing up the Paul fiasco with the Pau fiasco but I do remember at the time thinking it was the most insane/ridiculous trade I've ever seen.

It handed the Lakers another two titles.

As I said, I am not going to dig up my old posts and repost them. If you don't remember, tough. I am not changing my view.

That's cool. So Kobe is better than LeBron cuz you're a Kobe fan and you say so! The regular season stats say LeBron, the postseason stats say LeBron, the advanced stats say LeBron, the clutch stats in postseason/regular season say LeBron ... but Arrow2 says Kobe! And he used to play JV!

But you never let go of your irrational hate for Kobe obviously. Again, as a Laker fan, I would never go out of my way to defend or put my head up the ass of a player on another team, let alone a player who put my team out again and again. I don't roll that way. If that is your deal, knock yourself out.

You are just talking out of your ass. You don't have any proof of that. Let's talk about the rescinded CP3 trade to the Lakers if you want to bitch about something. Pure bullshit (Basketball reasons my ass) No speculation there, Stern clearly vetoed that trade which was bullshit to allow small market teams to thrive. The ring leader in whinlng like a little bitch was none other than Dan Gilbert. After which, Cleveland and NO get number one picks.....oh but that was on the up and up I'm sure. I think Cleveland came from 9th one year to get it. The league couldn't have the Lakers getting 40m under the cap and getting CP3 and probably Howard at the same time.


Here it is:


Commissioner,

It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.

This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

Please advise….

Dan G.





FACTS!!!! BOOOOOOOM!!!!

Lebron should be admired. He was a kid when he started and you never hear of him in trouble at all. From day one the best ever stamp was placed on him and he was handed millions at a very young age.

Nobody has ever handled this much success with grace as him. Not even Jordan had to deal with the hype Lebron has dealt with.

Also, what Lebron has done the last two games Jordan could never have done. If he wins the title without Love and Kyrie it would put him over Jordan in my book. 3 titles with two different team while leading them in all stats as well. Michael never camenclose to that type of dominance.

People bitch every time the Lakers do something positive. 16 rings and 30+ finals appearances will do that. We'll be back, enjoy.

You do know that Simmons is a Celtic fan, right? I am sure he was being totally unbiased...BWAHAHHAAHAHAH!!