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Chiefs Pantalones 08-26-2013 06:03 PM

Super Bowl winning QBs...
 
Sorry if repost...

26-of-46 Super Bowl winning teams had starting QBs taken in the first round of the draft (56%...56 ****ing percent). Of those, 22 were taken in the Top-10 picks, the area of the board where teams hope to find their franchise guys. And 33% of Super Bowl winning QBs are #1 overall picks. A total of 14 first round QBs have been named the Super Bowl MVP.

jd1020 08-26-2013 06:04 PM

Dead horse isn't dead enough yet.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 08-26-2013 06:05 PM

The supper bowl winner was a #1 over all.
Da Raiders!

the Talking Can 08-26-2013 06:06 PM

yeah, but with a udfa we get all of the hope and none of the risk or actual success

#winwin

HoneyBadger 08-26-2013 06:07 PM

Q

Mother****erJones 08-26-2013 06:08 PM

Oh this will be good...

wazu 08-26-2013 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9917587)
Sorry if repost...

26-of-46 Super Bowl winning teams had starting QBs taken in the first round of the draft (56%...56 ****ing percent). Of those, 22 were taken in the Top-10 picks, the area of the board where teams hope to find their franchise guys. And 33% of Super Bowl winning QBs are #1 overall picks. A total of 14 first round QBs have been named the Super Bowl MVP.

So basically you are describing Alex Smith, correct?

RunKC 08-26-2013 06:13 PM

Wasn't Alex Smith a 1st round top 10 pick? :)

ThaVirus 08-26-2013 06:14 PM

This has definitely never been discussed here before.

Chiefs Pantalones 08-26-2013 06:16 PM

My bad. Forgive me for I doubted y'all.

jd1020 08-26-2013 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9917612)
My bad. Forgive me for I doubted y'all.

No worries. It's only discussed every year when the Chiefs pass on the QB position in the draft.

Where's the jersey pic when you need one?

O.city 08-26-2013 06:18 PM

So we're playing the odds with a qb taken at 1.1?

Mojo Jojo 08-26-2013 06:22 PM

And how many won for the team that drafted them?

jd1020 08-26-2013 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9917619)
So we're playing the odds with a qb taken at 1.1?

I think it's something like 51% of the SBs being won by HOF QBs, so no. And then you've got all the SB's from the last decade being won by future HOFer's besides probably Flacco.

ChiefsCountry 08-26-2013 06:25 PM

Statistically we do have a shot with Alex Smith mainly due to his draft position. Its small and the chance to win more than one or even play in more than one is smaller.

beach tribe 08-26-2013 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9917624)
I think it's something like 51% of the SBs being won by HOF QBs, so no. And then you've got all the SB's from the last decade being won by future HOFer's besides probably Flacco.

None of those QBs were HOF worthy until they won a SB except maybe Elway so.....

cdcox 08-26-2013 07:24 PM

Joe is a good name for a QB.

Billy Joe, not so much.

splatbass 08-26-2013 07:28 PM

So if we had taken Geno at 1.1 he would have been a likely SB winner, but since he was taken in the 2nd he probably won't be? Is that what the OP is trying to say?

Good thing we have a QB taken at 1.1.

Baby Lee 08-26-2013 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9917587)
Sorry if repost...

26-of-46 Super Bowl winning teams had starting QBs taken in the first round of the draft (56%...56 ****ing percent). Of those, 22 were taken in the Top-10 picks, the area of the board where teams hope to find their franchise guys. And 33% of Super Bowl winning QBs are #1 overall picks. A total of 14 first round QBs have been named the Super Bowl MVP.

Good thing we have a #1 pick leading the team.

Chiefs Pantalones 08-26-2013 08:18 PM

@draftbreakdown: David Fales would make sense for KC. Hyper-accurate w/ good feet (both important attributes for a WCO QB) http://t.co/ABi3ojQvlf

cdcox 08-26-2013 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9917852)
@draftbreakdown: David Fales would make sense for KC. Hyper-accurate w/ good feet (both important attributes for a WCO QB) http://t.co/ABi3ojQvlf

Fales is a bad name for a QB.

Chiefs Pantalones 08-26-2013 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9917892)
Fales is a bad name for a QB.

Lol no joke.

-King- 08-26-2013 08:51 PM

Heh was about to post something like this.


The ironic thing is that people are now saying we should have drafted Geno even though he was a 2nd round QB.

-King- 08-26-2013 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9917595)
yeah, but with a udfa we get all of the hope and none of the risk or actual success

#winwin

At least we didn't get that 2nd round QB Geno Smith.

Deberg_1990 08-26-2013 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9917587)
Sorry if repost...

Nope. Never been posted around here in 13 years.

Chiefs Pantalones 08-26-2013 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9917919)
Nope. Never been posted around here in 13 years.

I've only been around for 12 of them, so I missed the first year it was discussed ;)

Ace Gunner 08-26-2013 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 9917599)
So basically you are describing Alex Smith, correct?

so basically, you're naming Alex Smith a championship potential QB -- correct :D

Ace Gunner 08-26-2013 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9917734)
Joe is a good name for a QB.

Billy Joe, not so much.

http://ttudelts.celect.org/uploads/i...e_Tolliver.jpg

RippedmyFlesh 08-26-2013 09:49 PM

It's simple.
Don't draft your franchise qb in the 1st round and you are going against the odds to win a sb.

Chiefspants 08-26-2013 09:57 PM

Whatever, what percentage of 1st round QB's have actually won a super bowl?

/Truebluetradition

crossbow 08-26-2013 10:09 PM

How many of those winning teams took a Right Tackle in the top ten?

Not many, so the Chiefs are thinking out of the box and will set new standards. They will be copied by other teams... well maybe and maybe not.

Hammock Parties 08-26-2013 10:09 PM

Alex Smith was a first-round QB!

Success!

cdcox 08-26-2013 10:27 PM

In general one should try to find a QB with three letters in their name:

Joe
Dan
Len
Ken
Bob
Tom
Ben

But longer names of one syllable often work well:

Bart
John
Steve
Fran
Brett
Troy

Every Super Bowl from 15 to 40 was won by a QB with a one syllable first name.

Out of 46 Super Bowls only the only multi-syllable first named QBs to win are Roger, Terry, Peyton, Aaron, and Eli (three letters!).

cdcox 08-26-2013 10:29 PM

It appears than first names ending in "n" are also good names for QBs.

Mav 08-26-2013 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9918098)
It appears than first names ending in "n" are also good names for QBs.

Drew?

cdcox 08-26-2013 10:34 PM

Alex is a bad name for a QB.

1. More that 3 letters
2. 2 syllables
3. doesn't end in an "n"
4. begins with a vowel

No one has ever won a Super Bowl with this combination of features.

cdcox 08-26-2013 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9918106)
Drew?

It's not exhaustive, but shows a correlation. Drew is one syllable, which seems to be the best predictor.

DaneMcCloud 08-26-2013 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9918074)
Whatever, what percentage of 1st round QB's have actually won a super bowl?

/Truebluetradition

106 quarterbacks have been selected in the first round (or the first round of the supplemental draft) since 1967, the first year of the Super Bowl.

15 have won Super Bowls, which means 14% of all QB's taken in the first round have won a Super Bowl.

Of those 15 Super Bowl winning QB's taken in the first round four (27%) won with a team that didn't draft them.

DaneMcCloud 08-26-2013 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB) (Post 9918086)
Alex Smith was a first-round QB!

Success!

He would not be setting a precedent.

Mav 08-26-2013 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9918107)
Alex is a bad name for a QB.

1. More that 3 letters
2. 2 syllables
3. doesn't end in an "n"
4. begins with a vowel

No one has ever won a Super Bowl with this combination of features.

(sarcasm), there is a first for everything!!!

Psyko Tek 08-26-2013 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9917587)
Sorry if repost...

26-of-46 Super Bowl winning teams had starting QBs taken in the first round of the draft (56%...56 ****ing percent). Of those, 22 were taken in the Top-10 picks, the area of the board where teams hope to find their franchise guys. And 33% of Super Bowl winning QBs are #1 overall picks. A total of 14 first round QBs have been named the Super Bowl MVP.

never heard that before
oh my GAWD you should be a football scout

Psyko Tek 08-26-2013 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9918096)
In general one should try to find a QB with three letters in their name:

Joe
Dan
Len
Ken
Bob
Tom
Ben

But longer names of one syllable often work well:

Bart
John
Steve
Fran
Brett
Troy

Every Super Bowl from 15 to 40 was won by a QB with a one syllable first name.

Out of 46 Super Bowls only the only multi-syllable first named QBs to win are Roger, Terry, Peyton, Aaron, and Eli (three letters!).

so we need a 3 letter first round QB, RIGHT HANDED AND BORN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTRY, BORN IN THE LTE MONTHS AUGUST OR SO
THJINKING THEY ALSO LIKE THE COLOR RED

splatbass 08-26-2013 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9918096)
In general one should try to find a QB with three letters in their name:

Joe
Dan
Len
Ken
Bob
Tom
Ben

But longer names of one syllable often work well:

Bart
John
Steve
Fran
Brett
Troy

Every Super Bowl from 15 to 40 was won by a QB with a one syllable first name.

Out of 46 Super Bowls only the only multi-syllable first named QBs to win are Roger, Terry, Peyton, Aaron, and Eli (three letters!).

JaMarcus never had a chance.

RippedmyFlesh 08-26-2013 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9918098)
It appears than first names ending in "n" are also good names for QBs.

Draft Bryn Renner, QB, North Carolina in the 1st = sb win

rabblerouser 08-27-2013 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9918044)


Is that Billy Joe Tolliver or Billy Joe Hobert??

Tolliver.

Who cares, they were both terrible.

Remember when Ditka started one of em in NO and in the interviews after the game, the media asked him why he played so terrible, and he said that he hasn't really studied the playbook much, he didn't think he was gonna play??

Awesome for Billy Joe.

Good name for QBs - Trent

Trent Dilfer - Top 10 draft pick (I wanna say 3rd or 4th overall to Tampa Bay, right??), Super Bowl-winning QB.

Now we all agree that Alex Smith can be as good or even better than Dilfer, right???

Hhehehehhehe...

BlackHelicopters 08-27-2013 06:09 AM

Alex Smith was 1.1. Good news!

ptlyon 08-27-2013 10:01 AM

What's the percentage of retread SF QBs making or winning the SB?

BlackHelicopters 08-27-2013 10:06 AM

Ryan Leaf never knew what odds were against him.

BlackHelicopters 08-27-2013 10:07 AM

Matt Blundin.
Mike Livingston.
Examples of Chiefs one syllable names that went NOWHERE

ChiefsCountry 08-27-2013 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 9918588)
What's the percentage of retread SF QBs making or winning the SB?

4% for winning. Jim Plunkett.

ptlyon 08-27-2013 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9918602)
4% for winning. Jim Plunkett.

Wish I wouldn't have asked

ChiefsCountry 08-27-2013 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 9918607)
Wish I wouldn't have asked

That is the player who Alex Smith has the best shot at becoming.

ptlyon 08-27-2013 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9918622)
That is the player who Alex Smith has the best shot at becoming.

A Raider?

ChiefsCountry 08-27-2013 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 9918623)
A Raider?

I wish Alex Smith was a Raider. But I was talking about the only 1st overall pick that busted switched teams and won a Super Bowl with another one.

tooge 08-27-2013 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9917587)
Sorry if repost...

26-of-46 Super Bowl winning teams had starting QBs taken in the first round of the draft (56%...56 ****ing percent). Of those, 22 were taken in the Top-10 picks, the area of the board where teams hope to find their franchise guys. And 33% of Super Bowl winning QBs are #1 overall picks. A total of 14 first round QBs have been named the Super Bowl MVP.

Looks like Geno Smiths chances of winning a superbowl are much slimmer that Alex Smiths

Kaepernick 08-27-2013 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9918098)
It appears than first names ending in "n" are also good names for QBs.

Great. Go Colin!

nychief 08-27-2013 05:04 PM

Somebody has a fancy texas instrument calculator.

Kaepernick 08-27-2013 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9918622)
That is the player who Alex Smith has the best shot at becoming.

Plunkett was an interception machine in SF. He was a much bigger risk taker than Alex.

cdcox 08-27-2013 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9919661)
Plunkett was an interception machine in SF. He was a much bigger risk taker than Alex.

Jim is a three-letter single-syllable first name -- I don't think so.

T-post Tom 11-06-2018 03:26 PM

Patrick Mahomes, in hindsight, should have been the #1 overall pick based on talent/value. Damn glad he wasn't! :D

carcosa 11-06-2018 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 13873850)
Patrick Mahomes, in hindsight, should have been the #1 overall pick based on talent/value. Damn glad he wasn't! :D

Yes!

Amnorix 11-06-2018 03:36 PM

Yeah, pretty much all of the top 9 teams are kicking themselves, except maybe Chargers and Panthers. Hell, Chargers should've taken him and then traded Rivers for good value.

Hammock Parties 11-06-2018 03:43 PM

2013 called, it wants it's four horsemen post back

rabblerouser 11-06-2018 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 9919659)
Somebody has a fancy texas instrument calculator.

Everything is bigger in Texas.

rabblerouser 11-06-2018 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 13873894)
Yeah, pretty much all of the top 9 teams are kicking themselves, except maybe Chargers and Panthers. Hell, Chargers should've taken him and then traded Rivers for good value.

I remember reading some articles criticizing the Chiefs for 'giving up too much' to move up...in hindsight, no one is saying any such bullshit.

KChiefs1 11-06-2018 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9917606)
Wasn't Alex Smith a 1st round top 10 pick? :)


Redskins should be the Super Bowl favorite!


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WhiteWhale 11-06-2018 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13875123)
I remember reading some articles criticizing the Chiefs for 'giving up too much' to move up...in hindsight, no one is saying any such bullshit.

Pretty stupid anyway.

To move up 17 spots (or 15, or 13, whatever) in the first round and only paying your first, next year's first, and a third is not a ridiculous price to pay.

I'm not some draft position point scale guru, but it seems pretty normal to me.


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