The Last Dance
I'm pumped up for this. On ESPN.
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Same. I assume this will be the focus of sports talk for the next 5 weeks, other than the draft.
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Jordan is going to get destroyed on Twitter. People are going to realize what an asshole he is. He was so damn good and was perfect for the era of the highlight. His lifestyle would get destroyed in today's social media world.
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We all know he's an asshole, right? I don't feel like there's too much that can change that. Still love him.
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Still love that Bulls intro. And the Bulls management have to be the biggest ****ing idiots on the planet to break up the greatest team ever.
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I'm too young to remember the Michael who was humble coming out of North Carolina. Seeing him on the show not being the usual cocky Jordan that I'm used to is very weird.
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Skip Carrey Harry Carrey son doing some basketball!
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I'd like to hear the real story about playing baseball. No ****ing way he just up and left basketball to play minor league baseball.
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Definitely prefer the gold chains Jordan era over the beret wearing Jordan era
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just watched the first two episodes. Great stuff. Most of the Krause issues we knew about on some level, but to actually see it is another thing.
Another interesting item is just how similar MJ's beginnings are to Mahomes' now. Did anyone else notice the paper headline "A Star is Born"? And how a lot of the language that players used to describe MJ vs. how players talk about Pat now? Can't wait for the next episode. |
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MJ wasn't like Allen Iverson or Rodman or whoever. Yeah, he had a mean streak, but he wasn't a douchebag, IMO. He was extremely competitive, but so what? He won six championships in 10 years. And should've won 8 in 12. To be a winner at that level you're going to have personality quirks. Put it to you another way: would you rather Mahomes be nicer and only win 2 SBs, or more of a 'douchebag' and win 6? |
I just have Hulu, not Hulu live. Can I watch it on there?
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Two episodes in and loving it. These were the glory days of the NBA and it's so fun to relive it. It was all downhill after this era unfortunately. |
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Phil goes on to win what, 5 more titles after being dumped by Krause, who doesn't win another?
Good call, Reinsdorf. |
"Don't call it an equal opportunity offense. It was ****ing bullshit."
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It's actually a great watch so far. |
Jordan sounds like he still hates Isaiah Thomas.
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And to be honest, with what Isiah has done at every stop of his post-playing career, I can see why. |
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Here is a blurb from the SI vault: Some people in the conference feel that Knight has made other accommodations for his sophomore star. For instance, when Thomas slapped Purdue Guard Roosevelt Barnes in retaliation for Barnes' slapping him, Knight called a press conference for the express purpose of clearing Isiah's name. Nineteen days later, when Thomas was ejected from a game at Iowa for slapping 6'10" Center Steve Krafcisin with the back of his hand. |
MJ sure does like to use the F word
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Loving this for sure. I watched the bulls all the time on WGN and was a big fan.
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IT was one of the few players to ever get the better of MJ in their careers (he was 36-29 against him). As competitive as those two were (they were both assholes on and off the court), not surprising that the hate is still very much there.
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Lest we forget..... Karl Malone was a pedophile. Got a 13 year old pregnant. Refused to take care of the kid even after DNA confirmed it was his kid. Dragged into court to get him to pay a lousy $200 a month in child support. Kid looks exactly like him.
Guess you can get 13 year old girls knocked up in Utah without consequence. |
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What MJ did, and the defenses he did it against, was unworldly. |
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Jordan Griffey Bo Jackson Gretzky what a time to be alive. If only tiger was in that generation
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So far this is a great watch. The fact that Jordan only signed with Nike because of his mom was great. To see his competitive nature on the court and off was fascinating. But also just to relive those days, and be impressed again by just how good he and the Bulls really were. This was the best basketball team to ever take the court. Can't wait for Sunday.
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Hopefully, Mahomes will get one of these in 25 years.
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Burr havin' fun
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Way to go, Craig.
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I never knew Pippen quit like that. Holy cow. |
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So disappointed in Scotty, so proud Tony stepped up. Nice to find out after all these years that they squashed it before the night was even over. |
Just finished watching 7&8. This shit is ****ing crack. Except way, WAY better. JJ Watt was right. 10 episodes is just not nearly enough.
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From an outsider's point of view, it's an interesting look into "greatness" and after watching 8 episodes, he's not unlike people in other categories of fame, whether it's the "greatest" actor in the world or the "greatest" singer or guitarist in the world - they're all pretty much what I would consider, assholes. For whatever reason, our society frowns upon everyday people acting like assholes but if you're "great" at or in something, it's waved off. It's an interesting phenomena... |
I'm 37. I grew up with these teams. I never blamed Pippen for refusing to go into that game, and I never blamed his teammates for feeling betrayed. Pippen ate shit for years, was criminally underpaid and underappreciated, and that season he was one of the three best players in the game. He earned the right to take that shot, and Phil should have given it to him. It's great that it worked out, I'm still happy that Kukoc made that shot, because he had to eat a lot of shit too, and the Bulls really should have won that series (Hugh Hollins absolutely ****ed them on a foul call that swung Game 5).
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I've got a good buddy from my old job who's at the top of his field and a great guy to go out with for beers, but , boy oh boy, he was demanding when you're working with him. IMO - Jordan used practice to demand that his team-mates be able to play against the adversity they'd see game time. It was also probably practice to test out his best shit talk tactics against his adversaries. win-win. It's kind of like Van Halen's "No brown M&Ms rider". Were they assholes or demanding? For those yougin's who don't know, here's David Lee Roth rambling about the brown M&Ms rider, (decent story): <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_IxqdAgNJck" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
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Jordan earning $36 million while his running mate is earning $2 million is not being demanding, it's him being a asshole. Not giving a shit about anyone else but yourself, is being a narcissistic asshole. If Jordan was ruler of a country, he'd be a totalitarian dictator. As long as you're the "greatest" at something, that behavior seems to be all fine and dandy, but that doesn't fly in the real world for "normal" people. |
This is a really entertaining show. The insight offered is incredible.
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Did he lead his team to 6 championships? Are any of those teammates complaining that they rode MJs cape to 6 rings? Every player interviewed was grateful to Jordan for not only the opportunity, but also how he led them. |
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I can appreciate that it's not just pumping rainbows and sunshine up our asses for two hours every Sunday. |
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Professionals don't need to be physically and mentally intimidated in order to perform at their highest level. That's an outdated 50's and 60's model that's been proven false time and time again. Quote:
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Documentaries are made in the Edit Bay. They're not historical documents. |
I don't know how anybody can watch this and not come to the conclusion that MJ was a massive asshole (which I don't think is surprising new information). He had the final cut on this and he still comes off as someone just awful to be around (and other than Isaiah, they've really only included interviews with his friends).
And that isn't even getting into the central narrative of the entire thing which doesn't hold up to much scrutiny (the vilifying of Krause, a guy who helped build the greatest roster in history around MJ). Was Krause really supposed to rework Pippen's contract just to be nice or not scout guys like Toni Kukoc in Europe just so it wouldn't upset Jordan/Pippen? And yeah, you can say that Krause had some responsibility for the dissolution of the Bulls at the end, but Reinsdorf could have stepped in at any time and stopped it if that's what he/MJ/Phil wanted to do. The lack of any voice being there to defend the guy's actions throughout is a failing of the documentary. |
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The way he constantly insulted and belittled Krause was difficult for me to watch, so I can only imagine what it felt like to actually be in his shoes. |
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But they were significant enough feelings of gratitude for them to all express during their interviews which says something. |
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Good catch. |
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His post Bulls career has been a joke, which isn't surprising given how he treated people in the past. Who would want to play for that guy? |
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I hope that franchise never wins anything, for 100 years or more. |
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Do I care that Van Gogh cut off his ear and gave it to a prostitute? Do I care that Elvis began dating Priscilla when she was only 14? No, not a bit. If that makes me somehow a bad person, well, so be it. |
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This forum has been bitching for decades about Tom Brady taking less money each year so that the Patriots can put a team around him. People have been hoping that Mahomes will take a "Hometown Discount" so the Chiefs can continue contending for Super Bowls in the next 10 years. But you have no issues with Jordan taking $36 million while Pippen receives $2 million per year? Yeah, Jordan's a real team player and couldn't have done a thing for his teammate(s). Good ****ing grief. |
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He wanted a long term deal. They offered one, because he asked, but advised against it. He signed it. 5 years later he got pissed at management for holding him to a contract that he requested. Should they have renegotiated because he was one of the best players in the NBA? Probably. But to say they "took advantage" of him for giving him exactly what he requested - long-term security - is completely backwards. |
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The ownership took advantage of him, plain and simple. And no one stood up for him, including Jordan. |
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I can't think of an instance of a MLB or NBA player giving money back to a team so that they can pay another player. But if there is one, please do share. MJ taking less would not have affected Pippen's contract. It wasn't because the Bulls were out of money or were up against the cap. They said "you signed it, you deal with it" |
Krause: "a lot of kids all over Europe want to be like Toni Kukoc"
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https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-ba...cash-earnings/ Tom Brady's Cash Earnings earlier this decade were $12 million, $13 million, $19 million, $13 million, $14 million, $15 million, $15 million and so on. He was a Super Bowl Winning QB during that time and was most certainly taking a discount. Quote:
If the NBA didn't have a cap, why was Jordan paid $36 million while Pippen, the 2nd best player in the NBA, had to settle for $2 million? It wasn't because the owner couldn't pay him, it's because the owner chose not to pay him and the NBA's Player Association at that time had very little power. Quote:
He choose not to, plain and simple. |
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