The Julio Two-Step
So I don't know much about things, but I do know three things.
1. The Chiefs have a hole at #2 WR. 2. The Falcons are looking to trade Julio Jones. 3. The Chiefs are, clearly, not interested in losing any 2022 picks. Which, duh, because that class is going to be amazing. That being said, we know the Chiefs can do pick swaps, as a way to handing over value but keeping the same number of bullets in the chamber. What's the priciest pick swap you're comfortable with doing for Julio, if any? Are you willing to fork over a 2nd for a 4th + Julio? A 3rd for a 5th + Julio? Are you willing to fork over a 2nd for a 3rd, a 4th + Julio? How creative are you willing to get. |
If he didn't have the money he has, sure.
Otherwise, no. |
I'd swap our third for their fifth if I'm taking on the contract for a player of his age and the fact that he struggles to stay on the field.
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No, unless they pick up part of his salary in the deal and that isn't going to happen as they are in Cap hell... If we pick up Julio's contract it will prohibit us from getting a FA Edge rusher and/or resigning Breeland, both bigger needs than WR.
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I think it's less about draft capital / trade compensation as much as it is about his contract. I went round and round in the lounge thread pushing for Julio, but the more I thought through the logistics of his contract, it seemed very out of character for us.
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They're not taking on $15M for a guy with his injury history. It's just a dumb idea at this point.
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Am I crazy for rather wanting to see what Cornell Powell can do at that position than to take on Julio and his contract?
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Julio + a bag of dicks for you mom and a 1st.
This is a stupid exercise. Bert isn’t trading for an aging, highly paid WR. |
Mahomes to Julio would be majestic!
Do it Veach!! |
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It just FEELS like a Gruden move. |
ship out Hardman and a pick + conditional picks for Julio.
...granted....that's the easy version / no factoring in $$. |
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My vote is **** no!
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that's what I get for having 3 Tank 7's and being an armchair GM. lol |
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The hole isn't worth filling for the price the Chiefs would have to pay. We had the #1 offense with a guy who was in and out of the lineup for three years, and really didn't do much when he was in the lineup.
The Chiefs will get equivalent production out of whoever lines up there in 2021. |
I'd rather take Quintorris instead of this Julio fella
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Without him, we struggled against the Bucs. Every measurement of the Chiefs performance with a healthy Watkins vs. no Watkins/hobbled Watkins showed he gave us a huge boost. |
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https://theclemsoninsider.com/wp-con...-watkins-1.jpg |
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Dumb. |
Sherman's reaction after that play was priceless. He absolutely knew the game had officially flipped right there.
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Please quit making threads
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I am blown away how committed you are to such a terrible idea. Julio's contract with his age and recent nagging injuries make it a truly indefensible plan.
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**** no.
If you do a trade for a 1-year deal you do it with someone like the Colts for Zach Pascal. He's their #3, he can fill our #2, and he's been super productive. |
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TY is on the wrong side of 30 and Campbell has finished the last 2 seasons on IR. |
I love the idea if we can make it work.
I'm not sure it's fair to compare Julio to Watkins, they're two totally different guys/players. Julio is a top 3-5 WR in the league averaging ~1500 yards per season in the last 6 years. Meanwhile, the hard truth is that Watkins never lived up to his hype in the league with only 1 yr @ 1k+. One plus for a Julio trade that I'll throw out there, he doesn't score a lot of TDs despite all that yardage. Means he won't get upset playing #2 or #3 in TDs REC next to Hill and Kelce. Let's not overthink this, we have a need for a #2 WR and he's one of the best WRs in the league. I'll let Veach worry about Salary Cap etc... |
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1. $15M guaranteed. 2. Has been sidelined by hamstring or foot/leg injuries EIGHT TIMES in his career. There's no reason to bring him on. None. It's an absolutely stupid idea. |
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It's dumb. This whole thing is dumb. I say he goes to GB so they can keep Rodgers happy. |
Would be the greatest team of all-time on paper if we added Julio.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨 HYPOTHETICAL TRADE 🚨<br><br>Imagine Julio Jones with the Chiefs 😳 <a href="https://t.co/hGvJHWnf8z">pic.twitter.com/hGvJHWnf8z</a></p>— PFF (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1395408981003276288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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54 catches, 409 yards, 1 TD. Making league minimum
51 catches, 771 yards, 3 TDs. Making 15 million. That's Larry Fitzgerald (who would likely sign for league minimum in order to get a ring) vs Julio and his projected 2021 salary. Those numbers are their numbers this past year. Which one sounds better? I'll add Larry has been a iron man in his career and at the same age Julio is right now Larry put up: 109 catches, 1215 yards, 9TDs on the way to all pro year....with the corpse of Carson Palmer throwing him the ball. Easy choice imo. If we want a 2nd WR...sign Larry Legend. |
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FWIW - Schrager doesn't think Julio/KC happens (in the comments)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Nah, Kansas City</p>— Arrowhead Live (@ArrowheadLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadLive/status/1395431170171678724?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weep when it happens.</p>— Arrowhead Live (@ArrowheadLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadLive/status/1395431551207346180?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Re Julio. I Don’t think so</p>— Peter Schrager (@PSchrags) <a href="https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1395488437902495749?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
I'm way too intrigued with Cornell Powell's potential to take a swing at Julio. He may end up being the next Marcus Kemp, who knows for certain, but man we have so much firepower at other positions around the X spot already that we just don't need Julio and his contract for one year and his injuries. And I say that as a HUGE Julio fan. Hell, I think mkp has convinced me to give Larry Fitz a shot if we're looking for a vet for that spot, lol.
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Larry Fitzgerald?
We've gone from a borderline stupid use of resources that at least has the potential to be brilliant for a couple of seasons to just being stupid to be stupid. He's toast. |
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I don't know what the financials are but if he's cheap I'd absolutely be on board with bringing him on the redemption tour. |
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DRob's catch/target was 76.3% last year while Fitz's was 75.0%. In both cases, there was good production in regard to catch rate. The mid-70s, actually, is top-notch. Compare them to the top 5 most productive receivers in the NFL in 2020... Diggs - 76.5%, Hopkins - 71.9%, Adams - 77.2%, A. Robinson - 67.5%, Lockett - 75.8% Given that both receivers are getting near similar YAC, Robinson had 165 on 45 receptions (3.67 yac ave)and Fitz had 178 on 54 receptions (3.30 yac ave), then the extra 3 yards per reception Robinson is getting comes primarily from his route. You look at Fitz, that means on average he got the ball within the first 4.1 yards. That's not good. You question, statistically, his ability to win beyond the release. You see with your eyes he really can't anymore. |
Changed my mind.. Im in on Julio...Teams need to respect our #2 receiver
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hopefully we could get that number down somehow
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Re-doing his deal moves the guaranteed money, making him much more difficult to afford in the future, which isn't wise considering his age and injury history. I think people need to realize that this move just doesn't make sense. |
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You're more than likely having to cut salary to fit him in PLUS trading high draft picks. It's just too much. |
I can't believe people think Sammy Watkins was an instrumental part of this offense.
LMAO Or that his absence against the Bucs meant shit. LMAO Even when he was healthy he was giving us journeyman's production. We don't need to overpay for a third target. Foolishness. |
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Who do you want? Mecole, D Rob, LDT? |
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They don't want our 2nd and 3rd-string trash. |
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The only realistic scenario is moving Frank Clark money. The Chiefs aren't cutting Hitchens this year. An HB extension won't likely get them there either. If they want Julio, it's a combo of moving some of his salary to bonus and Clark's. How much may depend on a few other potential factors like an HB extension shaving a few off the top but that's about it. I'd take Julio for a couple of "likely" good years yet if the price is no more than a 3rd. A 3rd is less than flipping a coin on getting a player that does anything much. If we're talking a 1st or 2nd, save the picks and draft a WR early next year. That said, the Falcons reportedly want a 1st. If that's the case, they can go blow smoke up their own asses. |
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It's just not in the cards. We don't have the scratch to make it happen. |
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The Chiefs' ability to make this happen all pins on the Mathieu extension.
If they can work a 3- or 4-year extension with him, the cap hit for 2021 likely drops by $10M or so, which gives you enough room to make a Jones trade possible. Cut or trade Wylie and Pringle, and you can add a few M more of wiggle room. IF they can get the extension done on terms that they like and that work for them, and the trade compensation is no more than a third-round pick, I think it works for the Chiefs. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The current thinking in league circles is that the Falcons eventually will trade Julio Jones to the Titans for a second-round pick. <a href="https://t.co/6SiXGaTI9p">https://t.co/6SiXGaTI9p</a></p>— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1399014948391501828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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How do you "emerge to be a perceived favorite"?
Sounds like some typical PFF made-up shit. |
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He wants out and they need to dump his cap number... |
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It’s not rocket science, Halfwit. |
I’m really glad that we didn’t trade picks for this guy as well as paying him that much money. He’s heading towards the end of the road with maybe a year, maybe 2, of high end play.
I would love for this team to accumulate more draft picks bc I trust them fully at this point to hit on day 3 players. When you’re drafting Tyreek Hill’s, Kareem Hunt’s, Travis Kelce’s, Juan Thornhill’s, L’Jarius Sneed’s, Noah Gray’s and Trey Smith’s with picks outside the top 50, you can really build your depth. Hopefully Bieniemy gets hired and we can pull another draft pick from a trade. |
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The known incidents from his time at CU are enough to make a team think twice... But I think someone would be willing to gamble on him if that was it. |
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I think it's apparent that he's one of those guys that is a leader but not a manager. |
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