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WTF, Amazon?!?!
So I logged into my Amazon account this evening to order some razor blades and noticed that in my product browsing history is the Ravens/Cowboys game.
Why is that odd? Because I didn't watch it on Amazon Prime. I didn't watch it via any streaming service. I didn't watch it on a smart TV, I didn't even watch it on a connected device. I watched it OTA on a regular TV. I know those stupid smart home devices can hear you when you say their name and I'm sure they listen to my conversations on occasion but are they listening to what I'm ****ing watching on TV? |
It wouldn't surprise me. These devices these days...
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People willfully let a greedy corporation listen to all their private business. SIRI says hello.
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My wife has an Amazon Echo Show in the kitchen and I know it listens to our voices but voice recognition technology is significantly different than listening to and identifying a television broadcast. I'm pretty familiar with how data proliferation works - I know how Facebook does it and for the most part, how Amazon, Google, and Apple do it. This one has me mystified though. |
Could it be you browsed NFL or an NFL game before, that's the "history"?
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Could be pattern matched audio from the echo
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Furthermore, I browse the internet, including CP, in a sandbox. There's no way for the CP window to share data with an Amazon session, even if I had an Amazon session open (I didn't). |
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I know they're going to listen to me (my voice), that's one thing. |
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It’s algorithm’s gone psycho |
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If you're granting the FB app access to your microphone and camera, then theoretically it could listen to your TV although that would be undisclosed functionality (not they're above that, of course). Email spam is almost always just random. |
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All Thursday Night Football games are on Amazon. This is a make up from last Thursday.
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I just hope they don't tell my mother-in-law what I said about her. |
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It showed up in my BROWSING history. Not my suggested viewings. The browsing history shows products/shows you've actually previewed or watched. |
I have Prime and I checked my browsing history and it wasn't there. I also watched the game OTA.
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I know many people tend to think this, but that's just not how it works. There have been lots of tests done, with Wireshark/packet sniffing/etc to see how and when Alexa is listening and transmitting data. It clearly does not record or transmit data other than listening for the activation word.
You can actually test this for yourself. Download Wireshark: https://www.wireshark.org/ Monitor your own network traffic. If it's communicating with Amazon when it shouldn't be, that will be pretty easy to spot. I know this doesn't really explain why it would be in your Browsing history. But 99% of the time, this is a result of Amazon's incessant desire to profile your history/likes/etc for monetary reasons. |
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I'm just shooting the shit, it's late. Honestly, "somebody" probably fat fingered their remote again and clicked on it by accident. LOL |
Doesn't have to just be Amazon. Cookies follow you everywhere, and it's just a matter of who gets access to them. Hell, for all I know, the ads on CP could be picking up data that identifies you as a football fan, and maybe that's all they needed to go off of.
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It’s quite likely that they could predict that you would either watch or be interested in that game base on data analytics without having any direct confirmation that you watched it. It turns out that with enough data humans are very predictable.
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Welcome
To The machine. |
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This may not apply to you but for me the game appears from my home screen on my fire stick.
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Just take your vaccine and don't mind the man behind the curtain
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I had one of those devices in my house and ended up unplugging it and putting it in the closet. The more I read about them the more I wanted it away from me
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That's what I'm saying. Amazon runs outside of the sandbox. Another site that runs outside the sandbox is Discogs. Both of the those sites have associated cookies and it's conceivable that cross site data tracking could take place. I browse ESPN, NFL, CP, and stuff like that via the sandbox. I have no cookies for any of those sites. I don't run searches outside the sandbox. There's really no way for Amazon to discern from my browsing habits that I would want to watch TNF. Much more likely my MIL accidentally clicked on it when she was looking for Christmas movies. |
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They weren't suggesting I watch it, they were saying I HAD WATCHED or previewed at least part of the broadcast. |
Everything is listening.
A few weeks ago, some kid told me she was getting ads for Mt. Dew on her devices, because I talked about Mt. Dew in class So we did a test. I had all of them open their computers/turn on their phones/turn up the volume. Then I went on a speech about buying a sawhorse. (random object) It took about 12 hours for ads for home improvement stores to start showing up on students ads and devices. THEY ARE LISTENING!!!!! THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED!!!!! |
I’m going to start living my life ‘off the grid’
Goodbye Chiefsplanet..... |
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You would basically have to become a Ted Kaczynski. Move to the mountains, live off the land and cut off all contact with other humans. |
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Apple, on the other hand isn't a clear about when the data is sent, but is very clear about the usage of such data. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210657 In summary, there is a lot of paranoia about smart devices eavesdropping on your conversations. From my own experiences with these devices, as both a developer and a user, this just isn't true. I've run Wireshark several times to monitor and intercept packets for debugging. Voice data is only sent after the device has been awoken using that device's wake word. |
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Have you ever done a packet capture on an echo or dot? We did a couple years ago, and those things are transmitting data nonstop (and not just to amazon owned IPs), even when you think they are "idle".
Its like a marketing person's wet dream to have that in your home. EDIT: Nevermind, I see this has already been discussed. |
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If you actually want to see what they are, you gotta use pcap. |
Haven’t they gathered data from these things in stuff like murder investigations in the past?
If that’s true, that tells me these devices are always listening.... |
I believe it comes from your router at home. Ties in all the family's stuff or whoever's using your wi-fi. For example:
My mother in law recently stayed at our place due to a dispute with her husband/Mother in law. After being at our house for a few days and using our home Wi-Fi I started getting divorce lawyer adds on my FB feed. Seems silly but they were Asian divorce attorney adds (my MIL is Asian). Seems my MIL was looking up divorce attorneys. These devices track everything because most/all people scroll through the lawyer mumbo jumbo and click YES, I agree. |
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Now just imagine what Amazon and Siri know and want to suggest about your porn history.
Hey Siri, what does htismaqe need? H-t-m-howeeverthr****yiusayit needs....to give it a day off before he breaks it |
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If it's a smart TV then it will know what OTA channels you watch I assume. After that, given the time and location, it would know what programming you were watching.
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I make porn. |
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Your phone is constantly listening for triggers or patterns to capitalize on ads for apps.
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Skynet is coming online.
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This is why I refuse to have and Echo, google home or any of those devices that are always listening. My phone and computer track me more than enough. Don;t need some stupid hockey puck listening to every conversation as well.
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Did it also put up an ad for Midol for all your bitching about nothing? :hmmm:
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Within 10 minutes of discovering they had an echo, he somehow got to to say "poop" on a monotone, never ending repeat. |
Say “I eat ass” over and over and let us know what happens.
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Your ISP tracks data usage and trends. They know the sites you visit and can fingerprint your browsing activity, shows you watch (if you have video service), and calls you make (if on their cell or home phone plan). Your ISP may provide this to 3rd parties for analysis. Far more likely is that you have cookies that are happily spilling your secrets. There are many tricks to get information from you without having to resort to voice recognition. |
Why are eggo blueberry waffles showing up on my chrome ads?
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