And so the "Matt Cassel to KC" Rumors Begin...
 

As if they hadn't started already...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also


Matt Cassel draws interest


TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week.

With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him.

The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs.

“I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.”

Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job.

“I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them.

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate.

Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago.

As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice.

The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection.

“I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”

If it helps I ran into his brother at the GAP yesterday.

I did too! He told me that Matt bought a house in KC....

I'd take him for the right compensation, I guess.

Well if we're not sold on either Stafford or Sanchez that high, if NE would go for the 2nd rounder it may not be such a bad move. I'm not really sure on Cassel, he may be this year's Derek Anderson, but if Pioli and the next HC believe he can run the offense they want to employ well, then you use the #3 on defense or on the OL, or trade down, and then trade the 2nd rounder for your QB...

We should trade our #1 for Cassel, then trade our 2nd round pick for Derek Anderson.

I trust Pioli. I'm not certain this guy can win a championship, but I'm less certain Sanchez and Stafford can.

$75 million for Sanchez and a second-round unknown, or Cassell and Orakpo/whoever?

lol. Let's trade all our picks for QB's. One of them has to be good. Maybe our 3rd for John Beck or Vick? Who else can we get with our picks? *SIGH*

And by the way, I really wish that QB from Utah wasn't so freaking short. He would be a perfect NFL QB. He's listed at 6'1", but I've seen 6'. He has such a good work ethic and understands how to use tape to get better.... GROW 3 INCHES BRYAN!

What if we swap first round picks with NE for Cassel? Would that be too much or too little?

He also knows what the kid is NOT capable of doing. So I think he'd not be on their radar.

See how easy it is to speculate?

This would be OK. I like to get a 3rd or a 4th in the deal too though. I just keep remember what our last NE backup QB was capable of, and I get scared...

That would basically make Cassell worth a mid 1st round pick. So yeah....that's too much to give up for him.

We still have seven picks and we gain our starting QB:hmmm: We'd be in a good position to draft someone like Duke Robinson and a pass rusher like M. Johnson. Considering the talent at the top of this draft is iffy I think I could deal with it.

PhilFree:arrow:

I don't see why NE would want to move up to pay a buttload of money for any player at the top of this years draft. They would probably rather take the 2.

Great point.

We should also consider sending NE our 3rd rounder for Pioli. Just because.

He's gotta be worth at least our 3rd AND 4th.

I cant wait until we draft a QB at the 3 spot...

It will be priceless to watch all the Carl/Marty clones meltdown, because they just are sold on a 1st round QB, when we should of taken a RT...

This is going to be the best offseason ever!

Get off the computer Herm. You're drunk again. :D

Sweet and then with our 5th round pick we should grab Chase Daniel and with our 6th we should take Chase Patton and then in the 7th.....we can grab Cullen Harper.

GREATEST DRAFT EVAR!!!1!111!!!!1

No Rhett Bohmar??

We've already traded our 3rd and 4th round picks for Scott Pioli.

Ah my mistake.

3rd and 4th? Man we are good people. Pats need all the help they can get.

The next time we trade a pick for someone who is not a player, whether he be a HC or a water boy, you're going to see me on the evening news.

Shotgun in tow?

The only thing missing from this thread is random picture time.

I'll start:

http://www.finkbuilt.com/static/imag...es/monkey1.jpg

Quote:

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

YES!

I don't want Cassel at all. Not because I don't believe that he's a decent QB, but his former OC is the HC at Denver now. If anyone would know his tendencies, weaknesses, it's Josh.

Next.

I'd gladly take Cassel for the right price.

I'd do that if they would also take LJ out of our hands for a 3rd or a conditional 4th.

Cassel + NE1 + NE3 <-------> LJ + KC1

I can't imagine the Chiefs making any deals with New England. There'd be too much of a risk of "nepotism" complaints, conflict-of-interest.

not to mention the possibility that Cassel is this years Derek Anderson, falls on his buttocks in KC and Pioli's career in KC starts off with a thud.

From who?

Because Pioli sure as hell won't care what us fans think.

somebody tell this dumbass that nobody thought Ryan/Flacco were gonna do what they did either

Proctor just sprung wood.

Nah. Business is business.

i can live with him for a 3rd or a 4th pick. a 2nd seems a bit high, but if pioli wants him for our 2nd pick i'll bite my toungue.

I don't want anything to do with him if we need to pay him $15 million dollars for next year. Let the Pats keep that salary.

no thanks

Yep.

SOMEONE is going to be forced to pay him a shit-ton of money, I hope it's not us.

As usual in situations like this new deal is worked out before the trade is made. This what we did when we traded for Surtain.

:) No more out of you chuckles.

It is really hard to judge what Cassel is worth. He could end up being pretty darn good, or just about average. It is too bad that he did not get put on the spot in a playoff situation. He helped the team go 11-5, what could he have done with the added pressure? It is good and bad for him. On one hand, he did not get the chance to flop. On the other, if he had a good playoff run....he would be in line for a big payday and the Pats would have easily gotten a few nice trade offers. Was what he did during the season a fluke, did the team situation do it all for him, was it Welker and Moss? Who knows right now....

Neither of those QB's did anything outstanding. They managed games well enough for their good teams to win. If either was in K.C., they wouldn't have even been considered good.

Matt Ryan 16 TD's 11 Int's 16 games started

Joe Flacco 14 TD's 12 Int's 16 games started

Tyler Thigpen 18 TD's 12Int's 11 games started

Nothing outstanding. Would I be glad to have them? Yes. I would also be glad to have a lot of the players on their offenses.

Cassell
 

If the Patriots would accept a 3rd rounder I would jump on it. I think they will more likely ask for a 1st and accept a 2nd.

It's a little far fetched but I would love to p/up Haynesworth in Free agency then draft Oher or Curry in the first, trade the 2nd for Boldin, and our 3rd for Cassell. We still have a ton of young players on our roster. This would make us much better on both offense and defense. Do we have enough money?

why aren't you banned anyway?

I agree with Jim Miller on this, but I actually hope it doesn't happen and we draft Sanchez or Stafford just so I can laugh at all the stupid posts on ChiefsPlanet.

I must've missed something. I thought that Cassell was UFA this season. What's with all the talk of draft picks? I know they may franchise him, but doesn't that come with a requirement that teams signing him give up a first round pick or something like that?

franchise=2 1st rounders, but they can still trade him for whatever

They franchise him and a team signs him they're obligated to 2 first round selections. I can't imagine Cassell saying yeah, I'll pass up $15 million for 1 year to get $30 million for 4. Which is about all he's worth at this point IMO.

As far as I'm concerned, the Pats ****ed themselves when they went this route.

If they franchise him and another team signs him to an offer sheet, the Pats can decide whether to match the offer or not. If they decide to not match, they get the compensation from the other team, depending on the level of the tender offer.

Most likely, the team would negotiate compensation first to avoid having the pay the compensation related to the tender offer.

I think you're thinking of restricted free agency. If a team signs a franchise player without working out a deal with his team, they are required to give up 2 first round draft picks.

Yes, you are right, that's restricted FA.

But bottom line is the same: if a team was going to make a play for him, they would negotiate the compensation first to make sure it would make sense and it can be for less than 2 1st round picks.

I don't know about Cassel yet... I mean I think we have to bring in a Vet and a Rookie QB this offseason, but am not sold on Cassel. We bring in Cassel and he is the guy.

Yeah, didn't we do this with JA?

Yep

if you trade for cassel then you're stuck because he will demand a long term, starter money contract


better be sure

2nd Rounder for White Cassel
 

I say we try and use our 2nd rounder for Cassel, its basically a low 1st round pick. THen we take Crabtree with our #3 pick. We are going to need to fill TOny G's void when he leaves in a few years. How awesome would it be to have 2 WR studs, like Bowe and Crabtree. It would be KC's best WR duo ever.

We aren't, and I don't think Pioli is either. *CROSSES FINGERS*

No.

Good question. Shanahan's son was wondering about the same thing.

If they franchise him and there are no takers, they are stuck with two expensive QBs.

High 2 is too much to pay for Cassel.

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Piss on Matt Cassel.








No, seriously.

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/ga...her/index.html

New England Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel doesn’t like golden showers.

The football star was in line for the bathroom at ESPN’s Tampa Bay Super Bowl bash Friday night when a drunken reveler tried to cut in front of him. “Matt told him to wait his turn and headed into the urinals,” a spy tells us. Moments later, the fella barged in and proceeded to purposefully pee directly on Cassel’s leg. After security tossed the drunk, Cassel headed back out into the crowd, wet pants and all

Why's everyone aginst bringing in Cassell?

Because we want a franchise QB, not a college and NFL backup.

I'm not. But I don't want us to pay more than a third for him. I actually want us to sign his unfranchised ass outright.

Last year he was an NFL starter.

I'll take a 20 year old over a 26 year old. Especially when the younger QB has more experience, isn't the product of surrounding talent, has all the physical tools, and a lot more upside.

Yea an NFL backup that won 11 games his first year as a starter and threw 21 Td's? You'd rather draft an unproven QB who'll be drafted high by default?

Boston pundits trying to shove Cassel down our throats.

That same team won 18 games last year, the only major difference was at QB.

An NFL backup that stepped into the most prolific offense in the league.

Which also seems to be a common occurrence at EVERY position for the Patriots. Guys get hurt, a nobody steps in and does the job.

Being successful in NE doesn't mean success elsewhere.

Really? So the injuries to all their starting Rbs, Rodney Harrison, Adulais Thomas, Ect. Had nothing to do with that? Of course Cassell isn't as good as Tom Brady but neither are most Qb's in the NFL.

So were Tyler Thigpen and Dan Orslovsky. Your point?

Since quite a few of these CP QB gurus were anti-Ryan pro-Croyle this time last year, I wouldn't put much stock into it.

Its easy to put up passing yards when all your doing is passing to Moss and Welker. Your probably someone who thinks Moss didn't make Cullpepper too right?

That's a bullshit comparison and you know it. Cassel is an NFL starter. Is he a franchise QB? Probably not.

Yeah, ignore the fact that he was QBing a team that went 16-0 the previous year and has outstanding WRs. 21TDs? With the team and WRs he had that's an unimpressive number.

You probably also think Bowe didn't make Russell in college either huh?