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Direckshun 10-17-2017 10:26 AM

Steeler-proofing the Chiefs.
 
How do we improve this team in the 2018 offseason to finally get this team ready to beat Pittsburgh reliably?

Because Pitt isn't going to be where this problem ends. Jacksonville, the Rams, the Titans... any team with a halfway decent OL and a truck of a RB stable is going to plow us.

Does bringing Bennie Logan back really fix our issue?

I think the corrections have to be focused at the linebacker position.

Dee Ford has one year left on his deal. The Chiefs really need to make a priority of drafting a stud OLB this year.

If nothing else, maybe this necessitates the trading of Alex Smith. The dropoff from 2017 Smith to 2018 Mahomes can't be that huge, and if we get a 2nd or (god forbid) a 1st, we could package it with our other 2nd if need be to go get the elite passrusher this team needs.

If we can get a big bodied stud to pair with Houston long term, then Pitt can't just plow through Ford/Zombo willy nilly and maybe the Chiefs can more reliably get to the QB.

Thoughts?

The Franchise 10-17-2017 10:33 AM

Bell's running style works because the offensive linemen can hold without getting called on it.

RunKC 10-17-2017 10:52 AM

We have an OLB prospect in Tanoh who will probably be ready next year.

Do you want to know why the Steelers beat the shit out of us in the trenches? They have better athletes.

I like Allen Bailey and Nacho, but they get manhandled in the run game vs good OL. We need another guy like Chris Jones to win in those matchups. The Steelers have 2 guys in Cameron Heyward and Stephon Tuitt who are just as strong, big and long as Chris Jones.

Honestly there are guys like that that come out all time.

Adam Gotsis-he's improved the Denver run D big time.
Malik McDowell
Chris Wormley

We could theoretically put Tanoh in that mold but I think he's going to play OLB.

RunKC 10-17-2017 10:56 AM

Plus if Sutton is gonna run this 3 rush bullshit, you need strong massive guys like Chris Jones taking up multiple blockers.

O.city 10-17-2017 11:11 AM

Jones isn't that good vs the run though either

Bailey and RNR are overrated here but I'm not sure it's necessarily a talent thing.

Get in a different front with 7 guys in the box and stop the run. We tend to lose the numbers game when you've got a box safety in there

kcchiefsus 10-17-2017 11:47 AM

**** Tanoh. He was a worthless draft pick.

kcchiefsus 10-17-2017 11:49 AM

Get rid of Sutton and his bullshit scheme.

Beef Supreme 10-17-2017 12:01 PM

Don't spend a bunch of high draft picks on pass rushers if you are going to drop them in coverage and rarely ever let them rush the passer.

RealSNR 10-17-2017 03:04 PM

How often is Sutton having our linemen 2-gap?

Say what you want about Romeo Crennell, but he had us playing some tight ass run defense with JAGs like Ron Edwards and Shaun Smith.

Since Sutton refuses to blitz anyway, I'd gladly take some fatasses right now who know how to plug holes.

Hammock Parties 10-17-2017 03:42 PM

The defense did it's job.

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/60/66/53.../3/920x920.jpg

threebag 10-17-2017 04:43 PM

LMAO


Rush defense got their shit pushed in... Yeah, you bet :o)

kcchiefsus 10-17-2017 05:40 PM

1) Get rid of Sutton. His defense is nowhere near aggressive enough. We should have made a push for Wade Phillips when he became available.

2) Need some more depth at cornerback, preferably some hard nosed heat seeking missiles who aren't afraid to tackle. I've had enough of seeing Peters meet the receiver at the line of scrimmage and the receiver still finds a way to gain 6 or 7 yards because of shitty tackling.

3) Still need more horses on the DL. Perhaps a better defensive scheme can bring out their talent better, but our DL has room for improvement.

4) Need more speed and talent at linebacker. Hopefully some of our young guys like KPL, Eligwe (sp?), Kpass, Ragland, etc. can develop, but we need depth and don't have time to wait for them to improve. They'll get a chance as the season goes on, and they had better take advantage of it.

Hammock Parties 10-17-2017 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 13158606)
1) Get rid of Sutton. His defense is nowhere near aggressive enough. We should have made a push for Wade Phillips when he became available.

Sutton has been plenty aggressive when the situation calls for it.

The Chiefs have a shaky secondary and poor linebackers at the moment.

If he tries to blitz there's going to be some burnt toast on the field.

Black Bob 10-17-2017 07:49 PM

Time for DJ to hang it up.

RunKC 10-17-2017 08:26 PM

KPL and Ragland are good LB's that Sutton rarely uses. It's reeruned for Sutton to line up in the nickel against the Steelers unless its 3rd and long.

FFS our best LB's weren't even on the field. DJ is done and Sorenson is not a mother****ing LB. quit putting a goddamn LB and safety on the field behind only 2 DL and 2 OLB.

You're just begging the opposition to run it down your throat.

Direckshun 10-18-2017 07:17 AM

6 yards.

The offense had six yards, folks, in the first half.

Don't hate on Sutton. Criticize and such, but that's a Super Bowl defensive coordinator.

kcchiefsus 10-18-2017 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13159386)
6 yards.

The offense had six yards, folks, in the first half.

Don't hate on Sutton. Criticize and such, but that's a Super Bowl defensive coordinator.

Based on what?

carcosa 10-18-2017 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13157937)
Bell's running style works because the offensive linemen can hold without getting called on it.

yes

Direckshun 10-18-2017 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 13159403)
Based on what?

Based on his ability to scheme so that just about any offense is controlled.

We've had a chance to win every game of the Reid era, except last year's Steelers game.

I can't think of another game our defense couldn't keep us in it.

carcosa 10-18-2017 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13159386)
6 yards.

The offense had six yards, folks, in the first half.

Don't hate on Sutton. Criticize and such, but that's a Super Bowl defensive coordinator.

And the D forced a punt on the first drive of the game!!! Does anybody really expect a defense to play well when they're on the field for 23 goddamn minutes a half!?!?

There are still clear problems with the run D that need to be addressed, but it's actually insane to blame this loss on the defense.

dj56dt58 10-18-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13159589)
And the D forced a punt on the first drive of the game!!! Does anybody really expect a defense to play well when they're on the field for 23 goddamn minutes a half!?!?

There are still clear problems with the run D that need to be addressed, but it's actually insane to blame this loss on the defense.

It’s their own damn fault they were on the field for so long

carcosa 10-18-2017 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58 (Post 13159975)
It’s their own damn fault they were on the field for so long

They didn't do themselves any favors, but it's not their fault that the offense kept going 3-and-out or worse. More offensive snaps means fewer defensive snaps means fewer chances for the defense to give up big plays. It also means the defense doesn't get completely worn down by halftime.

Again, the defense actually set the tone by forcing a punt on the first drive. A lack of offense put the defense in a position where breaking was much more likely than bending.

Iconic 10-18-2017 03:06 PM

The offenses potential is capped in large part by our offensive line. Time to draft a fatty.

Same thing goes for our defense only it's being capped by our inside linebackers instead. DJ doesn't have the speed to get to the edge anymore and Bell took advantage of it.

BryanBusby 10-18-2017 07:14 PM

I'd start with a true replacement for DJ. Need a reliable guy that can seal up gaps and be able to cover a long range.

I'm a fan of the kid from Texas.

Good sideline to sideline lb, a better edge presence and a physical chain mover when the speed aspect doesn't work will go a long way.

RunKC 10-19-2017 09:00 AM

I think that the Chiefs need to watch how Ehinger or Witzmann develop at LG. If it doesn't work now, I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a G in round 1.

I know it's not everybody's favorite, but we need to do everything possible to help Pat succeed.

threebag 10-19-2017 09:29 AM

The OL needs some help. Too many out injured

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-19-2017 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13158393)

No it didn't. They controlled the ball most of the game with Bell gashing us for 170 yards and winning the AFC offensive player of the week. By controlling the ball our Offense never could get in Rhythm.

If not for that one fluke play that should have been intercepted we should have won.

Also , Yes , if Mahommes was playing that game we would have won too.

Chiefnj2 10-19-2017 12:01 PM

Steeler proof the team?

Need to draft an ILB early.
Kpass needs to gain experience to learn how to rush.
Another pass rusher since Ford looks like a disappointment.
Need another corner.

kcchiefsus 10-19-2017 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13160932)
I think that the Chiefs need to watch how Ehinger or Witzmann develop at LG. If it doesn't work now, I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a G in round 1.

I know it's not everybody's favorite, but we need to do everything possible to help Pat succeed.

You don't need to draft a guard in the 1st round. I'd recommend finally spending some draft capital on a wide receiver or two. See what Hopkins and Fuller did for Watson against us. This team has the worst WR depth chart by far in the AFC West. It's time to change that.


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