2024 Tight End class
I don't have anything remarkable to talk about here but I wanted to talk about this guy and didn't see a TE thread.
Cade Stover, TE for Ohio State. I'm really impressed by him. I think I'd be willing to trade up in the 3rd or maybe even take him in the 2nd depending on how he tests. He's just a really polished catcher, he's very physical. He's a little shorter than I like in a TE especially if he measures more like 6'2'' than the 6'4'' he's listed at. In either event, I think he's the guy I'm zoning in on in this draft since Bowers is a pipe dream. Anybody have a guy out there they're particularly interested in that may be within range? If so, who and what round? |
If Sanders from Texas somehow made it to our 2nd, I'd be all over that.
Haven't watched Stover yet. |
Theo Johnson from Penn State. Good size, good hands, plays the position like a WR. Day 3 guy more than likely. So he will need some marinating.
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Y'know, kinda like a certain ex-quarterback we have playing the position that seems to have an uncanny feel for finding space because he hasn't always been a tight end... Honestly it's one of those things where I think he'd be a friggen nails TE2 for us so the question becomes what I'm willing to expend on that if it's all he ever becomes. Because again, the dude is physical. He's willing to get dirty both over the middle and as a blocker. I think he'd be a substantial upgrade over Gray, especially in the run game. I mean I'm pretty sure I'd be happy to get ONLY that from a late 3rd rounder. I just don't know if I'm eager to trade up for it or take him in the 2nd. I just like the guy. Projecting on his RoY performance and measurables (both being strong with no obvious red flags), I think I'd like to see us maybe trade back out of 2 into the mid-3rd, see if we can pick up a 4th rounder for our efforts and then go McMillan/Stover with our 1st two picks. Or now that I think about it, how 'bout moving off 1 into mid-2 and get a mid 3 for the trouble, then package that with our late 3 to move up into the early 3rd. Take McMillan with the higher of our 2nds, developmental OT or DT with our lower 2nd, Stover with the high 3rd we moved up for... |
If they don't draft one this upcoming year I'd love to see them target Colston Loveland from Michigan in 2025.
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And it didn't involve MVS or Laremy Tunsil. |
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I like Ben Yurosek from Stanford quite a bit.
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If we're looking for a late round TE/FB hybrid ala Kyle Juszczyk, the homer in me would like to see us take Ben Sinnott from K-State.
He helped spring Deuce loose a handful of times last year, as well as some key blocks this year so far. And he's had some pretty clutch catches in the passing game as well. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Mq87K2KJsmo?si=CARyBScz-sd07Ple" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
There’s just no way we get Bowers, huh.
Every year I fall in love with a player who is so out of our leagu. Pisses me off.although I do like winning the Super Bowl, so there is that. |
Last year I was hoping for one of those TE's that were available when we picked. I just have this hunch that Kelce is gonna retire after this season or maybe the season after it. He might want to chase Tony G's records but who knows if he actually wants to.
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Long for most everybody at 30 mins but, some good analysis of a few Senior Bowl TE's Jaheim Bell, Theo Johnson, and Ben Sinnott.
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Blake Bell shouldn't be back. Father time is loudly banging at the door. Kelce, who knows when he will call it quits. This year? Next year? The year after that? We will need a hands in the dirt TE very soon. Noah Gray isn't that. Matt Bushman isn't that. Looking at the 2024 TE Free Agent list looks somewhat between meh and a dumpster fire. The draft class this year isn't that great either. It's going to be hard going from a HOF TE to god knows what. |
Is there aaaaanyyyy chance Bowers drops enough for some sort of trade up or is that just too darn unrealistic?
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It will be interesting how teams view him. Is he a WR or a TE? |
I just don't see a big enough drop from Bowers to Sanders to think that making a move up for Bowers is an investment to make. Maybe I'm alone in that opinion, but I also really like Sanders and they are about the same build.
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With our current WR group I don't see how we would use draft capitol to move up and get Bowers. We pretty much have to draft a WR in Rd 1 unless we sign a stud WR in free agency.
This years TE group is kind of underwhelming. Last couple of years were good. Maybe take someone like Lachey out of Iowa in round 3? |
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And as I've noted in the past, Reid - more than a QB whisperer even - is a TE god. I mean he gets production out of everyone at that position. You give him a guy like Sanders and honestly I wouldn't worry all that much about Kelce leaving. Especially if Sanders got a year or two to learn at the feet of the master. I think he could coax a 1,300 yard season out of Kyle Pitts as easy as breathing but I wouldn't give up what the Falcons would want for him. |
I think Andy and Mahomes would turn Pitts into a monster, but that price to get him would bend us over
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I feel like he should go in that 18-20 range. |
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PFN has moved TE Sinnot to #80 and Spann-Ford to #99 on their big board, interesting.
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i like this dude, considering we'll probably miss out on bell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59UkelSvWSM |
Wiley from TCU is interesting. If you liked Darnell Washington last year there’s lot of reason to like Wiley.
He’s big (6-6/6-7), is a good blocker, and has the speed to be a weapon down the seam. He’s not a traditional move TE, but he is much more of a traditional in-line guy than KC has had. Would be a fun skill set to add as TE3. |
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Let's just sign Hunter Henry if Jones walks?
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Cheaper is probably better, one of Hooper, Fant or Irv Smith would also be a good move I think and then try and draft the TE of the future in the mid to late rounds and carry 4 TE for the season. |
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Does anybody know how deep the TE class will be?
Is there like a huge drop off somewhere? |
Theo Johnson interview with Adam Breneman.
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What's up with this kid Austin Stogner? Apparently he was really great until an injury, hasn't fully recovered yet and will drop to later rounds bc of that.
NFL DraftBuzz Scouting Report has this to say about him, amongst other positives: "We have him graded as one (for his career) of the best mid-level route receivers in college football" |
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If he can convince NFL teams that a) the knee is fully healed and b) 2021 was just a disappointing fluke - he could sneak into the late second round. It's a big if though." |
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I really like Honker! Guys got great hands in traffic.
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Bowers and Sanders are possible 1st rounders. Then a big drop down to probably Stover and Bell in the 3rd/4th (maybe just Stover). Then another drop to Holker, Johnson, Sinnot as 4th/5th round guys. After that you may just be looking at a pile of priority UDFAs. If we could get an asset at WR and DT in the 1st and 2nd round, I'd be fairly content with Stover in the 3rd. But Stover's probably the 5th or 6th best TE in a good TE class and I think he's the clear 3rd best in this class. It's one of more forgettable TE classes in awhile. |
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But guys like Knox come out every year and most of them pretty much suck. |
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They weren't having him go out there and down-block as a TE. The Gamecocks were largely a spread offense and they used him as more of an oversized WR in their system. And he's not quick enough to be that guy in the NFL or strong enough to be a TE in the NFL - even a move TE like Kelce presents a credible threat of lining up in-line and you have to use your defensive personnel accordingly. He's more like Jody Fortson and that's a novelty more than a replacement for anyone. Well...unless it's a replacement for Jody Fortson. |
Watching some of the Senior Bowl practices and Theo Johnson has been the best TE on the field so far. Will be interesting to see what Jahiem Bell or Ben Sinnott can do.
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I don't really like this class TBH
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Like I said, for me some of my fascination comes with Stover's background. As a former defensive player who's made the transition to offense well, I wonder if he won't produce better than he measures. Of the two, Johnson's far more likely to have a standout combine, though. |
This is probably where I'm at on the class...
R1: Brock Bowers, JaTavion Sanders R3: Theo Johnson, Cade Stover R4: Ben Sinnott, Brevyn Spann-Ford R5: Isaac Rex, Jared Wiley, Tip Reiman R6: Dallin Holker, A.J. Barner, Erick All, Jaheim Bell R7: Austin Stogner, McCallan Castles |
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2 videos. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not many tight ends in the NFL have feet as quick as Penn State TE Theo Johnson and can accelerate out of cuts this well <a href="https://t.co/f5x8RcyLSZ">pic.twitter.com/f5x8RcyLSZ</a></p>— Joe DeLeone (@joedeleone) <a href="https://twitter.com/joedeleone/status/1752781053385916658?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's a dead body courtesy of Theo Johnson (motion man) <a href="https://t.co/QU8BoEOpTQ">pic.twitter.com/QU8BoEOpTQ</a></p>— Nick Martin (@themicknartin) <a href="https://twitter.com/themicknartin/status/1750602541912465528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Ben Sinnott is listed as fullback currently on ESPN. My favorite quote about Brevyn Spann-Ford's blocking is "He's like having a 3rd tackle on the field."
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I like Jared Wiley the TE out of TCU. Started his career at Texas. Hasn’t played with the best QB play. Has good size like Theo Johnson. I think he moves more fluid than Johnson though.
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Isaac Rex has really been climbing my board. Alot to like there IMO.
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Tip Reiman
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Round 6: Minnesota TE Brevyn Spann-Ford If you're following me for NFL draft content, expect to see me mention Minnesota TE Brevyn Spann-Ford often. Spann-Ford has a skill set at tight end that the Chiefs were lacking this past season. At nearly 6-foot-7 and 267 pounds, he's an absolute monster as a blocker in both the ground game and the passing game. Beyond that, Spann-Ford is a red-zone threat and a tough cover given his size. You can throw it to places where he's the only one with the size to get it, whether he's digging the ball out of the dirt or high-pointing a throw. Is this the next Travis Kelce for Kansas City? Probably not. However, he can certainly be a complementary piece to develop behind him. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEWS: Penn State TE Theo Johnson met with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Texans</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Commanders?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Commanders</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Eagles?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Eagles</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> yesterday, league sources tell <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@_Mlfootball</a><a href="https://twitter.com/theo_Johnson_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@theo_Johnson_</a> will also meet with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#49ers</a> today. <a href="https://t.co/9j4ohZz7eN">pic.twitter.com/9j4ohZz7eN</a></p>— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1762947750943981779?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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One player listed as a TE, but I think isn't an actual TE, is Jaheim Bell. I feel like he is more of a very large and athletic fullback. I think it would be interesting to see Reid use him like a cross between Kyle Juszczyk and Deebo Samuel. He could be a very unique offensive weapon. |
Yeah, I've struggled to get a feel for Bell.
You could make an argument for him early on the 3rd day or as a UDFA. I'll say this, for everyone that likes Ben Sinnott, this guy is very similar but just better, IMO. But I also think Ben Sinnott is one of those 'local boy done good' stories that folks love. And unlike Mizzou fans (where we usually shit all over our own guys heading into draft season), K-State fans support their dudes in the draft. In a vacuum, Bell appears to be a better, higher ceiling version of the same style of player. |
Zach Heins of South Dakota State is someone I'm liking in the Day 3 range, too.
Good size, can block, but he can run and has good hands and ball skills. |
Sanders on with Simms and the Magic 8 Ball for Andy’s retirement…
https://youtu.be/aMGC8AI9Vro?si=JUCzHAAqkJXsrKME |
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Tanner McLachlan is another intriguing day 3 consideration. Undersized a bit, but a surprisingly good blocker with good hands and the ability to fight for extra yards after the catch. He's good at finding spots in zones and athletic enough to work the seam. |
Some stud numbers, unofficially.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Theo Johnson is a TE prospect in the 2024 draft class. He scored an unofficial 10.00 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAS</a> out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 1 out of 1105 TE from 1987 to 2024. <br><br>Splits projected, note that I don't expect this to stand as a new 10.00 after official<a href="https://t.co/HuWxnxJn85">https://t.co/HuWxnxJn85</a> <a href="https://t.co/IlSgFxSVYP">pic.twitter.com/IlSgFxSVYP</a></p>— Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) <a href="https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1763734388510949437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Man, that dude from Washington could be a steal. He ran a 4.47 and looks fluid, and strong AF too.
I think Andy could coach him up. |
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Some things can be taught and coached, but you are either fast or you are not, and this dude flies for his size. What a match up nightmare Andy could create, and he would be learning from Kelce. |
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NFL.com has Sinnott > Sanders in the 2nd in their recent 4 round mock.
Interesting. |
I’m not a local homer here with this take….I really like Sinnott. He’s the closest thing to La Porta that I see. He’s just so damn explosive and does really well in the middle of the field.
I think he’d be a perfect fit here |
Anyone watch TCU? What about Jared Wiley late?
https://youtu.be/JrpGt6oZvFA?si=eTsORlI7J6mwSBL9 6’ 6’’ WEIGHT 249 lbs ARM 33 1/4’’ HAND 9 1/2’’ Prospect Grade 5.95 Average Backup Or Special-Teamer 73 Good View All Prospects Score Breakdown Production Score 69 2024 Combine TE Rank: 9th Athleticism Score *est 76 2024 Combine TE Rank: 7th Total Score 73 2024 Combine TE Rank: 7th Combine Results u-unofficial 40-Yard Dash 4.62 Seconds 10-Yard Split 1.62 Seconds Vertical Jump 37’’ Broad Jump 9’ 10’’ 3-Cone Drill 7.19 Seconds 20-Yd Shuttle -- Bench Press -- Analysis By Lance Zierlein NFL Analyst Overview Tall, long-armed tight end who flashes the potential to line up in-line or as a move tight end. Wiley would benefit from better strength in his lower half to help sustain blocks, but his technique is generally good. He has the stride length to pick up speed in the seam and across the hashes on intermediate throws. The short-area foot quickness is very average and he’s an average separator underneath. Wiley’s catch talent and ability to fight through contact are big check marks in his favor. He has the versatility and potential to compete for a role as a TE3. Strengths Uses height and length to play over the rim. Willing to get physical at the top of the route. Rarely has a focus drop and uses size to shield catch challengers. Hands-catcher with consistent extension to snare it away from his frame. Gets into base blocks with inside hands and proper posture. Uses footwork and feel for angles to seal blocks. Weaknesses Lacks desired footwork to get in and out of breaks cleanly. Will sit and wait rather than working back to the throw. Needs to make earlier adjustments to bring in off-target throws. Doesn’t break enough tackles on his run-after-catch. Inconsistent physicality to handle lead-blocking asks. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bowers’ college production top TEs from the 2023 and 2024 draft classes <a href="https://t.co/BjxHjHDUMn">https://t.co/BjxHjHDUMn</a> <a href="https://t.co/xYoBQeurrJ">pic.twitter.com/xYoBQeurrJ</a></p>— The 33rd Team (@The33rdTeamFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1778097746198642709?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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It was possibly the dumbest mock draft I've ever seen from a "professional". |
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I've moved him up into my 4th round set. Brugler thinks 3rd round. Size/speed combos at the position are at a premium this year. I mean really, ideal guys are Johnson, Wiley, McLachlan, Reiman, and All... Johnson has some legal shit in his duffle bag (assault, etc) and he's raw. McLachlan is ****ing 25 already. Reiman needs a lot of route work. All is an injury report all on his own. The rest are short or slow or both. The bulk of the class is at least a shade under 6'4". Oof. |
Sinnott is gonna be really good.
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2024 Tight End class
Zach Heins is still intriguing to me. Good size, good size, good hands.
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