i think you are in a better position than me. For me, then n is still far too small.

ROFL
I swear...nearly every time I saw something bad happen, or someone not being guarded, VanLeer was somehow involved.

This team stinks right now....terrible 3pt shooting, terrible Ft shooting terrible discipline and lazy on defense....too much talent to be having your ass worked by a D2 team at home

What a nightmare...

Yeah we have looked like total shit the last 2 games

Couple this with MPJ meeting with a specialist today...

Speaking of that...Im guessing no one has any inside info or rumors on MPJ? I just have a real bad feeling about it. With all the secrecy and everything. And now he's meeting a specialist? Second opinion? Was the first opinion not good and MPJ is doing everything he can to play this season?

So many assumptions because they wont tell us anything. Starting to get that eerie Mizzou luck feeling about this...

Beating Emporia State by two possessions at home... That's as bad as any of Anderson's teams performances, if not worse.

Barely get a win in a game you should have won easily. They were up by 8 and then it fell to shit. Think they got complacent....and quit shooting 3's FFS

Pretty ugly. 50% FT and we shot <10% from 3 (against the team picked 10th in the MIAA)

That's some Kim Anderson shit there.

I didn't want to believe them but those Tennessee cream sicles were right about Martin. smfh

We beat Wagner by 44 just a week ago...A week later and we barely survive against Emporia St...

North Carolina Central would like a word.

LOL. Played four games and already giving up.

25-9 in a shit conference. A terrible team, but they are Division I, not a scrub-level D-II team. Hell, CMSU would blow the doors off Emporia.

JFC

Players can improve but coaches don't change their stripes most of the time. So yes I am.

Okay but I'm looking for reasons not to be alarmed. Can you just let me have this one? Thanks in advance.

I hope the broadcast team didn't hurt your feelings tonight.

I mostly just hate Ware.

Here's a few:

It's a D-II team after the season had already started.
Players are off from classes this week.
Porter not being there had them deflated.
They had a bottom-five percentile shooting performance for even them.

Still, this is why I said months ago that people shouldn't expect more than an eight seed. These teams take time to gel, and of course, Porter has some kind of injury of unknown severity because Mizzou.

Everything that is wrong is fixable....

Make your ****ing FT's....
Quit slinging up 3's....
Work the ball into the paint....
Hustle on defense....
Slow your shit down on offense....

That's one of those games where it seems like everyone sucked but really they didn't.

Robertson and Barnett just sucked badly enough to almost lose it for them.

When the opponent is playing zone and your shooting guard and swingman can't hit an open look, you're gonna have a bad time.

The 2 or the 3 has to hit some jumpers to punish that zone and they couldn't throw a ball into the ocean.

Have to make open shots. Period. Do that, and it's an easy win. With this team, that is much easier said than done.

This does not work anymore, has not worked, and will not work anymore.

The three is here to stay, and teams that cannot shoot the three will not win. Abandoning the three is only going to cause teams to pack the lane, which will make it impossible to actually work the ball into the paint.

The Wing-T and Maryland I are dead and buried in football, and for good reason.

Luckily Tilmon, Jontay, and I can’t believe I’m including him with those two, Nikko, battled their asses off tonight. Nikko has been serviceable so far this year.

Watching Kassius Robertson force that terrible shot when we were up by two in the final minute with over 20 seconds left on the shot clock pretty much summed up the game. How does a college senior not understand that situation?

Dreams of daggers danced through his head.

Why do schools schedule games like Emporia State? You gain nothing by winning and if you lose its a disaster.

Because you can underperform and still pull out a win.

As a rule, absolutely right.

Last night, however, against a team that couldn't hang with them underneath at all and was giving up 6-8 inches per player, they could've (would've) won that game by 20 without shooting a single 3.

Shooters shoot - I get it. Robertson was bound and determine to shoot his way out of that slump, as was Barnett. But it damn near cost them what amounted to a glorified scrimmage.

They just didn't know how to deal with that zone. Harris seemed to have an idea, but he was the only one. He was constantly pushing it on a miss and trying to get down there before Emporia could get into their zone, but invariably he'd have nobody underneath before they could get back. If he had anyone running with him (Barnett and Puryear would've been the obvious choices), he'd have been able to get it to them underneath quickly and set up for easy buckets.

If you can't hit a jumper against a zone, you're gonna struggle. So you have to push to get them out of whack; too many guys on that squad last night seemed to have little interest in pushing the tempo.

Eh, like I said, I think the 'suckage' last night was a little overblown. They continued to turn the ball over WAY too much, but if their top 2 scorers could've done anything at all to actually score the ball, that game is as lopsided as it should've been. It's hard to win games when the 2 guys you most depend on for buckets can't buy one. Barnett could've helped things a little more by moving without the ball better; he seemed content to just stand in the corner and wait for a 3-ball.

Gives them a chance to run the offense against another team. They can make some errors without the fear of losing the game.

I actually think we're arguing a similar point. Part of pete's post was also saying that we needed to slow down on offense. Setting up in half court and playing a deliberate pace allows a less athletic team to set up on defense, the counter to which, as you argue correctly, is pushing the pace.

MPJ needs back surgery out 3-4 months.


Sorry Mizzou fans.

Link?

Awwwww, ****!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mizzou?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mizzou</a>: <br><br>Michael Porter, Jr. will undergo surgery on Tuesday, Nov. 21, in Dallas, Texas. The procedure, a microdiscectomy of the L3-L4 spinal discs, has a projected recovery time of three-four months and will likely cause him to miss the remainder of the season.</p>&mdash; Mizzou Basketball (@MizzouHoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/MizzouHoops/status/933050756189638656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Thanks, I found it too, unfortunately. I was hoping it was just Billay being a dumbass again.

You guys really pissed off the wrong gods

I think that one who sucks the penis Bill Self put a curse on us.

The best player we've ever had will play a total of two minutes for the team.

And you guys wonder why "Mizzou Fan" exists.

Because things were GREAT before.

I'm going to vomit

For Porter, it is likely good news, long-term. That said, there isn't a ton of evidence that shows that microdiscectomies offer any long-term benefit over rest and rehab, as the body resorbs the herniation over time, but this will get him back to 100% quicker.

**** you, sports God, you ****ing ****.

Sorry for your loss.

Ha. Didn't noticed you posted it.

Shitballs.


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Being a Mizzou fan seems so pointless. God damn this is awful. Knew this was coming, my gut is always right.

Finally get a superstar NBA player. Never plays. OF COURSE

Wow

At least Black Lives Matter!!

He played 2 minutes.

Sorry about your luck Missouri fan. Never good when a kid gets injured like that, especially a back. That shit can linger a long time.

But this has to be the most Missouri thing ever. Just unreal.

Bye, douche.

Life as a Mizzou fan:


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The problem is that the herniation has weakened the wall and it will absolutely happen again.

The microdiscectomy is presumably to allow the bulge to happen a little bit without the nerves being pinched/inflamed. That should theoretically allow it to bother him less frequently, but he'll need to be careful still because if he tries to play on it and tweaks it wrong, it's gonna go completely haywire and no discectomy is going to solve that. Worse for him, as he ages, he may need it fused; way down in the lumbar for a dude that tall is going to take quite a bit of strain. If he's already having bulging disc issues at 19 years old, it's not going to get better for him.

Just as was the case when Poe went down with his herniated disc and needed surgery, I'm going to have to assume that this will be a long-term, lingering issue for a 6'10'' dude until proven otherwise.

Well ****.

So how did this injury happen?

Probably during the KU game...

Because Mizzou

I reiterate...

Kyrie'd

Lol. Such a Mizzou thing to have happen.

It was evidently the Wednesday before the season started during practice.

But for a bulging disc, it could've just been sleeping on a lumpy mattress or something. Backs are stupid.

Charles Grodin got it right...

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Don't be surprised or angry when your back hurts; be thankful for the few years you had when it didn't.

Tough blow. In fact probably one of the toughest I can imagine that would happen to a program.

All you can do is laugh.

Wow. That sucks. Sorry guys. Was looking forward to you all being relevant again. And was hoping to see you all piss pound UK.

Wrong.

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Meh. Just apathetic towards MU basketball again, especially with the way they've played recently.

If theres a silver lining here its that the 2 minutes he played at Mizzou will certainly have helped you guys with recruiting and bringing some of the current talent on the roster.

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I was never saying this wouldn't be a chronic issue. People with back injuries are more likely to suffer chronic back injuries. It's axiomatic.

There are a lot of complications here and things we don't know. Did he tear the annulus? How broad is his spinal canal? Does he have osteophytes that are irritating the nerve?

The discectomy is a quick fix. What matters is the diameter of his spinal canal. Shaving the disc back will get him space now, but no more than the normal immune process of resorption. That's why it works quickly but offers no long-term benefit. There is no Level I evidence to suggest that surgery is a superior route over many years. It is superior at several months and two years, but not at ten.

As far as a future fusion, we'll see. You actually need less rotation in your lumbar spine than your thoracic spine, and lumbar re-herniations recur at about a 5% rate for the general population, regardless of whether they chose surgical or medical management.

WOW, sorry to hear this Tigger fans. That is some tough luck, injuries suck. Wonder if he will return next year ?


At least your guy wasn't driving somebody else's car !:shake:

Good Luck Tig's!

Life as a Mizzou Basketball fan...

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Fair enough. I was speaking primarily to your contention that it was "good news, long term..." and honestly, I'm not sure how one gets there. I can't really take any good news out of back injuries for a tall athlete. I was hoping it was something in his hip/leg.

I kinda presumed he did, hence the utility of the procedure. If it's gonna cost him his season either way, as you've noted, a surgery wouldn't have seemed necessary to relieve simple pain from a bulging disc. I figured there had to have been something impinging there so they went in to clean it out.

At least you have the conference to cheer for

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Overall, I'm thinking this should be a good time for me to tap out of caring about sports.

It's a huge investment of time and emotional energy for a constant supply of anxiety, disappointment, and misery.

I said it when the Cardinals won the 2011 World Series, but I was too stupid to follow my own advice. It would never get better than that.

Since then, by rooting interests have been nothing but an unending series of disasters and tragedies. Deaths, injuries, murders, choke jobs, and collapses.

The Cardinals lost their best position prospect in 15 years to a ****ing drunk driving accident, blew a 3-1 lead in the NLCS to a shit team, lost to a Red Sox team (again) that sandwiched that title around last place finishes, and got totally surpassed by the ****ing Cubs. Meanwhile, every team since 2013 has gotten progressively worse.

Mizzou basketball cobbled together one inspired season from a group of jilted seniors, only to suffer the most embarrassing loss in the history of the program to the worst team that has ever won an NCAA tournament game, which they then followed up with a scandal only to then hire the worst coach arguably in Power 5 history. And when they finally do turn it around (it appears) the best player they've ever had, they best player they'll EVER have, a hometown kid with stellar character, blows out his back after two minutes.

And Mizzou football is perhaps the one to be most optimistic about, when the ceiling for the next half decade is probably second best team in a bad division.

But hey, maybe Drew Lock will stay around for his senior year and get drafted by the Browns so that they can ruin him. Or maybe he and Beckner will both declare and a ****ing asteroid will hit the training facility during their pro days so that they can be robbed of success at the next level, too.

Honestly, hip injuries tend to be far worse and harder to manage than back injuries. Look at how a labral tear has sidelined Thomas.

Anything aside from a glute medius or hip flexor strain was going to be bad, bad news. Icing your hip is never, ever good, and this is the least awful of awful outcomes for his future, save for fluke scares that aren't really big injuries.

Yeah, I was even going to go to Mizzou vs Kentucky/Florida game at Columbia this year w/ a buddy of mine. The agreement was he has to go to a AFH game, and I'll go to Columbia game. But I don't know if I want to do it now. Probably won't be too fun to watch Tilmon foul out in the 1st half, and Blake Harris to turn the ball over.

I mean ****, man. When you put it that way....

But seriously, have any of us doubted that being a sports fan is a shitty investment? I've tried to quit by sports are ****ing opioids. I've walked away from the Cardinals, Blues, Chiefs and Tigers over the last 8 years or so and none of them ever stuck. It came close with the Blues but then they rebuilt and rebuilds are always fun to follow - THE PROMISE OF YOUTH AND A BRIGHT FUTURE!!! (of course, that rebuild ended up with the most frustrating bunch of mopey bitches to date; **** off, Oshie).

I've only ever managed to completely divest of a single rooting interest and that was Dale Earnhardt Jr. after he went to Hendrick. And that only stuck because 3 years later I didn't watch racing at all; simply didn't care anymore. Yet somehow when I was scrolling through twitter and saw that Martin Truex Jrs former teammate at DEI won the championship, I was oddly happy for him. Team loyalty still existed even in a 'sport' I couldn't give a large rat's ass about anymore.

No, I'm ****ed. But best of luck to you...

Effing stupid. Just ughhh. .

Alex Smith, now this. ****

So... guess the chances of his coming back are less than zero, right?

Well I wasn't exactly thinking torn labrum. More strained flexor. I was perhaps being a tad optimistic.