So the pacers took them to 7 but the Celtics with Hayward and Kyrie can't beat them? Ok.
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Cavs have the best player in the NBA. They can beat anyone.

Kobe was likely the best scorer we'lll ever see in the NBA. The guy is in discussion for the GOAT but he isnt it. All you Kobe haters, im not sure why you hate him so much.

I thought my sixers would allow me to escape from the pain of the Chiefs being professional choke artists, then we go and blow a 22 point lead. I ask the lord what did I do to deserve these two teams?

The Celtics coach is kicking Brett Brown all over the gym, and in turn this is effecting Simmons. I still believe we can level the series In these next two games at home, but by God Brown needs to get his head out his ass and start coming up with schemes that will give the Celtics something to think about. Because right now those scumbags are dictating everything. Wouldn't mind seeing Fultz on the floor either, I think his dribbling and passing skills would give them a different problem.

Like Lebron, he isnt likable. He was the best guy in the league at one time though.

And who's "likable" to you?

Jordan, Duncan, David Robinson, Dirk to name a few. In today's game? Man..can't think of a lot that stick out. Being an OU guy I like Blake. Pierce, Allen and Wade also seem likeable.

This is what I hate about the Jordan/Lebron argument-- when Jordan fans say "We'll never see anything like that again!"

Bullshit. Records will always be broken, and the only thing that may change is that the talent pool becomes more saturated with incredible players and innovative coaches.

Jordan might not have ANY Finals wins if he consistently had to play a team like the Warriors.

Jordan is one of the least likable players of all time..

Lebron might not have ANY Finals wins if he didn’t ring chase early in his career and also get to play in an absolutely awful Eastern conference for a decade.

Lebron made ring chasing in your prime and teaming up with other stars in your conference ok. Why the **** does he get a pass because somebody else saw how it worked and chose to do the same? I said it back when it happened, him doing it and having success would open it up for everybody after to follow suit. He made his bed now he has to lie in it.

Magic
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
George Mikan

I could also make an argument for Jerry West.

Why is ring chasing bad?

Everyone talks about it always being about championships yet when guys make moves for that, it’s bad?

I’m not necessarily saying it’s bad. I said he made it okay and it turned out to be a great move for his career.

My point he doesn’t get to use GS being in the way as an excuse because he started all of this.

But golden state is better. It’s not an excuse whe. It’s true

Bullshit. Ring chasing and players demanding trades is old as the league itself. Lakers have done it for it years. Celtics did before the Heat. Multiple other cases throughout time as well.

Yep. LBJS ballwashers will try to rearrange the deck chairs to make is seem like what Durant did was WAY different but it is exactly the same thing. If him and his Lebronies would own it they may earn a bit more respect.

Those were trades and none of those guys were the best player in the world. They were also older. If you can’t see the differences with KD/Lebron compared to those guys, I don’t know what to tell you.

Of course KD did the same thing. Why would it be any different?

Cue KC Connection

Man, you clearly haven’t argued with many Lebron stans.

Jordan would have gotten killed in today's social media world with his gambling, fighting with teammates, and womanizing.

I am so tired of this debate because it really shouldn't be one. There is no denying Lebron is a great ****ing player and I have much respect for him as a player, a man, a father and he is an awesome role model. What he will never be is the GOAT but he will end up when all is said and done #2 which is pretty darn good. But this whole Lebron GOAT discussion was over when he lost his 4 and 5th championships.

So would it have been better had he lost before the finals?

Yeah, probably so.

I don’t really disagree with that, but MJ didn’t have to deal with a 70 win team because he made the 70 win team.

Why does MJ not having to beat GS a knock on him or a plus for Lebron?

He didn’t have to consistently beat an all time great team to win a championship, which if they stay together is what golden state looks to be shaping up as.

I think Klay bounces soon though

Again, he WAS the all-time great team.

It’s bullshit and there’s no way around it.

Also, this just accounts for the last two years. What about before? The Thunder had them down 3-1 and they lost the Finals, so up until last year Lebron hasn’t had to “consistently beat an all-time great team”.

He did many times. The Celtics use to own him.

This is kinda stupid. By this logic, Golden State isn't that good because they don't have to beat Golden State.

So Jordan was on an all time great team. Imagine if lebron was on an all time great team

That’s pretty hyperbolish. I didn’t say they weren’t that good.

So they weren’t a great team until Durant got there?

Now the Heat weren’t one of the best teams ever? If he handled his business against the Mavs we look at that team a lot differently. He doesn’t get a pass for having one of the worst Finals performances ever by an all-time great.

:rolleyes:

Also, you’re just going to ignore that Jordan made them an all-time great team? That is just ****ing reeruned. Let’s not act like the Bulls ever even make the Finals without MJ.

I’m saying they were clearly beatable unlike now.

Calm down.

No one is giving him a pass for anything. This is why this topic is so stupid to have. Too many emotions and dumb bullshit.

The bulls were pretty good without Jordan. Obviously, without him they weren’t nearly as good as they were with him, but they won 55 and finished 3rd in the east. That’s not bad

So they’re unbeatable now?

The Heat led by Bosh/Wade couldn’t have won 55 games and got bounced in the 1st with Lebron out of the league? Shit that team probably has a better shot at making it out of the East.

It sure does look like it. I didn’t fault Lebron for losing to them last year and I won’t this year.

I will say that there’s at least 1 or 2 other teams in the West that would beat the Cavs this year anyways. Another reason why that excuse is horseshit.

This is where you’re getting as bad as the lebron guys the other way.

Sure there are a few other good teams in the West. They could beat the cavs, sure.

But it’s not definite especially if lebron goes full badass in the finals like he has the past few, I don’t think the rockets would be beating them

LMAO

The Pacers took them to 7 games and should’ve won if Oladipo even plays average in that stretch of bad games.

You’re telling me this Cavs team with that defense could beat the Rockets? That’s ****ing hilarious.

Yeah, they would. You can have a team led by Chris Paul and mike D’antoni. I’m not touching those dudes in the playoffs.

They do have harden though so it would be a series but in the end, I’d take the cavs in 6 or 7

The West has become severely overrated. Other than the Warriors, the Rockets are maybe the only other team in the West that would stand a chance against LeBron in a series (and I have serious doubts about them).

Truth is, the balance of power will be shifting to the East once the Warriors finally fall off, with the Sixers, Celtics and Giannis.

It kind of sucks that the warriors are such a powerhouse right now.

I think it would be really interesting to watch but I don’t see a warriors series going more than 5

Holy shit you guys are crazy.

You’re really letting the first two games agains the Raptors **** with your heads. No way you say this after/during the Pacers series.

The Rockets with home court would be HEAVY favorites.

And before the pacers series you’d have said different. We’re letting the raptors series cloud our heads but you get to let the pacers be the judge?

They’ve beat the 1 seed in the east 2 straight on the road. They’re pretty confident

I figure the raptors get 1 in there somewhere, maybe 2

No, I would not.

The Pacers series was more alarming than the Raptors series is encouraging though. The Raptors lost before the series even started.

The Pacers, like the Rockets, aren’t scared of Lebron. They both looked like bad matchups for the Cavs in the regular season.

Oh ok

When do you plan on the Warriors falling off? If another team rises to the top it will be because of a dominant superstar and right now I don't see that star or that team. I'm not saying another team can't win a championship, but as far as longevity, I don't see that team...yet

You beat the Rockets with great defense.

The Jazz and the Warriors play great defense. The Cavs don’t. It’s really that simple.

Like most people I had it

1. Warriors






2. Rockets



3. Cavs

It's your world man, were all just living in it.

So your multiple other teams in the west that would beat the Cavs was the Rockets. Got it.

Not my fault your basketball takes suck :shrug:

JFC your reading comprehension sucks today.

I said at least one, or two.

The Jazz have been a surprise.

Yeah, clearly.

You said atleast 1 or 2.

Which would be multiple?

I meant at least 1, maybe two. Sorry my grammar sucks.

TrollCity

I'm not trolling at all.

With Leonard playing you have 3 top shelf teams.

Possibly.

Atleast with the Spurs you have a history of coming up big in the playoffs. I just can't buy into this Rockets team. Unless the beard just goes full blown fire, paul and dantoni will pucker up.

Since when? :)

This morning.

:drool:

It's just a weird argument to me. I don't necessarily think Lebron is better than Michael was. I think history bias has us thinking MJ is a little more godlike than he was, but he was definitely great.

To me, it doesn't really matter with this stuff. Who's the goat who's this, doesn't really matter. I hate that some people miss watching a great player play because they're worried about this stuff.

You seem pretty one sided though because I never see you arguing the other way.

For example, you bring up “history bias”, but you don’t acknowledge the prisoner of the moment people.

Because they're both pretty equal in terms of bias.

I come off one sided in this thread because of all the negative shit towards Lebron. It's dumb for the most part.

Sure, he's had bad games and what not. But the dude is a legit all time player in his prime. Enjoy it.

I dont understand relishing in someones failures. Seems weird to me. Unless it's a Raider. **** them.

And it's all so opinion and era driven. Magic was the best and people in that time didn't care as much for MJ. Now its MJ and Lebron. In 30 years it'll be Lebron and whoever.

I’ve said on multiple occasions that Lebron is he 2nd best player I’ve ever seen.

Just because I don’t like the guy and I’m critical of his GOAT resume doesn’t mean that I don’t respect him.

It is always going to be MJ and whoever until some one goes 7-0, 7-1 or 7-2 in NBA championships while putting up equal or better numbers.

It will follow the same path as the Montana vs Brady debate.

If you go back and watch highlights you see the allure of MJ. It was pure poetry in motion and fun to watch. Its like comparing Jim Browns style to Barry Sanders. Both great stats but one just has a uniqueness.

While also not bouncing from team to team throughout their career. Brady stayed put and did it with various different cast.

Yep.

I was thinking last night about just how bad the East is. Looking at the All Star rosters there is maybe 3-4 guys in the East that would make a West All Star team and they would be Lebron, Giannis, Kyrie and Embiid. That is how awful the East is.

So by the champ numbers, Michael doesn’t measure up to some of the celtics

Why does staying with one team matter? I mean, Jordan deserted his team in his prime to go play another sport

Not taking the troll bait here. Have a good day man!

It’s all good. Not trying to troll just a different league today with free agency and all

It’s like that in all sports professionally now. I don’t like it but it is what it is

He is tied for 10th in total championships but I think you left out the part about putting up equal or better numbers. MJ and Lebron are ahead of those guys stats wise.

that overated Rockets team is struggling against a shit ass Rubioless Jazz team that is led by a rookie.

Thats pathetic. Lebron would crush both.