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The Franchise 06-15-2017 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12917665)

What exactly makes Allen better?

He's not a Chief. If Mahomes was drafted by the Jets or the Texans.....he'd be the next great QB.

RunKC 06-15-2017 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12917665)
"A better version of Patrick Mahomes"

LMAO

What exactly makes Allen better?

Pro style knowledge/experience, more mobile and more polish. Mahomes came from a really bad spread system so he'll need time to learn things a pro style QB already knows thoroughly.

To me, Wentz is the comp for Allen. Mahomes has a very high ceiling like Allen too, especially with Andy coaching him.

Allen still threw 15 picks to shitty competition though. He's not an elite prospect IMO.

staylor26 06-15-2017 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12917798)
Pro style knowledge/experience, more mobile and more polish. Mahomes came from a really bad spread system so he'll need time to learn things a pro style QB already knows thoroughly.

To me, Wentz is the comp for Allen. Mahomes has a very high ceiling like Allen too, especially with Andy coaching him.

Allen still threw 15 picks to shitty competition though. He's not an elite prospect IMO.

That last part is exactly why I'm not buying it.

staylor26 06-15-2017 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12917786)
He's not a Chief. If Mahomes was drafted by the Jets or the Texans.....he'd be the next great QB.

Ain't that the truth

RunKC 06-16-2017 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12917835)
That last part is exactly why I'm not buying it.

Yeah and that doesn't make him an elite guy in my eyes, but you can't ignore the pro's. He has everything Patrick Mahomes has, but IMO 3 things that Mahomes doesn't that makes him more sought after:

-bigger body frame like Wentz
-Alex Smith esque mobility
-pro style experience

SAUTO 06-18-2017 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12916304)
Every NFL team knew that KC was trading up. They may not have known exactly who they wanted, but it was obvious that it was for one of the QB's.

Except for the tweet you posted saying it wasn't going to be for a qb
:rolleyes:

Dumb ****

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-18-2017 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12921371)
Except for the tweet you posted saying it wasn't going to be for a qb
:rolleyes:

Dumb ****

ROFL

KnowMo throws shit to the wall with the very best of 'em.

Quesadilla Joe 06-20-2017 12:35 PM

First Look: Scouting UCLA QB Josh Rosen
By Daniel Jeremiah

Spoiler!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-qb-josh-rosen

OldSchool 06-22-2017 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12923983)
First Look: Scouting UCLA QB Josh Rosen
By Daniel Jeremiah

Spoiler!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-qb-josh-rosen

Yes, next year's QB class (if they all declare) will be undoubtedly better than what was available in the 2017 draft. Oh well, neither Chiefs or Broncos will have a shot at getting one of them and have pretty much already laid their beds. (Lynch and Mahomes). Now we'll just have to wait and see who actually ends up panning out. Meanwhile, Oakland is sitting with the beauty queen.

Quesadilla Joe 06-23-2017 06:54 PM

From Albert Breer...

Spoiler!


http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/22/c...nfl-free-agent

Quesadilla Joe 06-25-2017 05:38 PM

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Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen is my top quarterback for the 2018 class, and one scout I spoke to said he could be the highest-ranked quarterback he's ever evaluated. Teams are in love with Allen's size, arm strength, athleticism and upside as a passer.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-rb-in-the-nfl

Quesadilla Joe 06-27-2017 01:15 PM

First Look: Scouting Washington State QB Luke Falk
Spoiler!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...e-qb-luke-falk

Quesadilla Joe 07-01-2017 12:17 PM

A lot of the top college QB's were at the Manning Passing Academy a week or so ago, and apparently Josh Allen was wowing everyone.

DJ and Rhett Lewis were talking about Allen and some other QB's in the most recent MTS Podcast...

http://www.nfl.com/podcasts?id=d1211...9&sf94564899=1

RealSNR 07-05-2017 12:44 AM

If Tebow operated out of a pro system in college, would he still be in the NFL?

Probably not. Why? Accuracy. Tebow couldn't ****ing hit a bull's ass with a bass fiddle.

Josh Allen has a lot to prove in that department. He doesn't have to be Drew Brees-accurate, but he's got to demonstrate better control on his throws or else he's going to wash out just like all the other inaccurate QBs who possessed all that size, talent, and experience, but struggled with precision.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-05-2017 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12944106)
If Tebow operated out of a pro system in college, would he still be in the NFL?

Probably not. Why? Accuracy. Tebow couldn't ****ing hit a bull's ass with a bass fiddle.

Josh Allen has a lot to prove in that department. He doesn't have to be Drew Brees-accurate, but he's got to demonstrate better control on his throws or else he's going to wash out just like all the other inaccurate QBs who possessed all that size, talent, and experience, but struggled with precision.

LMAO

These are the SNR-ism's that make the world go round.

Quesadilla Joe 07-06-2017 11:12 AM

First Look: Scouting Louisville QB Lamar Jackson

Spoiler!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-lamar-jackson

RunKC 07-12-2017 09:12 AM

Darnold saying teams shouldn't tank for him bc he might not come out.

http://ble.ac/2uR9ZfA

Glad we got Mahomes bc Clay's stupid ass plan was clearly stupid.

DaneMcCloud 07-14-2017 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12944106)
If Tebow operated out of a pro system in college, would he still be in the NFL?

Probably not. Why? Accuracy.

Exactly. Accuracy isn't teachable or coachable.

It's why a guy like Jake Locker failed and why Josh Allen isn't a sure thing.

DJ's left nut 07-14-2017 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12931439)

He could also end up with a 2nd round grade.

I LOVED Allen. Loved the build, the arm talent, the gambler's instinct. I started a thread about him in the draft forum when there was talk of him coming out and said I'd probably use a 1st on him if he did.

Allen's going to be exciting as hell.

But apart from having a slightly better build (love the height advantage), what sets him apart from Mahomes?

They're remarkably similar players with Allen having the added concerns of competition level. The major distinction I see is that both guys rarely show their 'good' mechanics but when they do, Allens are closer to ready than Mahomes are. Mahomes does so many things wrong with his lower half that it's going to take a long time to change them. Allen's problem isn't that he can't do those things right - it's that he rarely does.

Mahomes might need to be re-taught whereas Allen needs to have them re-emphasized, if that makes any sense.

If Allen would've come out early, I'd have taken him over Mahomes. But he didn't and if it turns out he's the top 5 prospect that many think he can make himself, well the Chiefs were extremely unlikely to get him anyway. So in the end, why should I still lose sleep over Josh Allen?

BryanBusby 07-15-2017 11:44 PM

I'd still favor Mahomes over Allen, if you've got a coach like Andy.

Pat has that unique arm talent.

Tribal Warfare 07-16-2017 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 12958392)
I'd still favor Mahomes over Allen, if you've got a coach like Andy.

Pat has that unique arm talent.

The defining theme of Mahomes' career is how he overcomes Reid's game clock mismanagement.

Buehler445 07-16-2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 12958584)
The defining theme of Mahomes' career is how he overcomes Reid's game clock mismanagement.

To be fair, clock manangement doesn't have to be so tight, when you QB isn't limited to <8 yard passes

BryanBusby 07-16-2017 02:51 PM

I said it before the draft and still believe, people are going to be a tad underwhelmed by the end of January, with this upcoming class.

I wouldn't bet on Darnold giving up multiple years of remaining eligibility, at a place like LA where he is now famous, to play for a shit franchise. He's going to stay for at least one more year.

Josh Allen has a nice mix of arm and athleticism and yeah he plays in a pro-style Offense, but his play is allover the ****ing place and I want to see him do something meaningful against a real team. He needs a strong year if he wants to cement himself as the top QB.

Rosen needs to show a lot this year.

Lamar Jackson does intrigue me, and I think he'll declare if Darnold stays.

milkman 07-19-2017 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12958681)
To be fair, clock manangement doesn't have to be so tight, when you QB isn't limited to <8 yard passes

Piss poor clock management is not a Smith related problem for Reid.

Iczer 07-24-2017 12:24 PM

Same shit different year. Like others have said, lets wait for the season to end and see how things really go.

Remember seeing Matt Barkley and Tyler Wilson fighting it out for top picks? Oh and Tyler Bray another potential 1st rounder.

Buehler445 07-24-2017 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12962667)
Piss poor clock management is not a Smith related problem for Reid.

Agreed.

However, Reid has more flexibility and capacity to overcome bad clock management if he has a QB that can throw the ball downfield.

A guy would have to be Richard Petty if he was racing a Camaro in a minivan, but far less efficient in the management if a guy is racing a Camaro in a Ferrari.

Quesadilla Joe 07-28-2017 11:26 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I covered Warren Moon from from Day 1 for 10 years. At his 3rd practice, Watson reminds me of Moon n his first camp in 1984. So smooth!</p>&mdash; John McClain (@McClain_on_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/890943238848303104">July 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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staylor26 07-28-2017 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12978018)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I covered Warren Moon from from Day 1 for 10 years. At his 3rd practice, Watson reminds me of Moon n his first camp in 1984. So smooth!</p>&mdash; John McClain (@McClain_on_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/890943238848303104">July 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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3rd career practice with no pads LMAO

RealSNR 07-28-2017 02:40 PM

Journalist... NFL talent evaluator... eh, same thing, right?

Tribal Warfare 07-28-2017 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12978369)
Journalist... NFL talent evaluator... eh, same thing, right?

Just drumming up the brand

Quesadilla Joe 08-05-2017 10:11 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">this is what gets you excited for Kizer&#39;s future. climbs the pocket, fires a bullet to the sideline where only his receiver can grab it <a href="https://t.co/cTm3s4xC39">pic.twitter.com/cTm3s4xC39</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Zirm (@clevezirm) <a href="https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/893863713970810880">August 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">rookie quarterbacks aren&#39;t supposed to be able to navigate the pocket like this. and Ricardo Louis should&#39;ve caught this ball <a href="https://t.co/Dz1sM4HjbS">pic.twitter.com/Dz1sM4HjbS</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Zirm (@clevezirm) <a href="https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/893865268086177793">August 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Direckshun 08-06-2017 10:16 AM

Awesome. Good for Deshone. I hope he works out for Cleveland.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-06-2017 12:05 PM

Good to see young QB's doing well. Let's hope that this current crop can one day bypass the Manning/Brady/Rodgers/Rapin'-love fest that the NFL is hell-bent on shoving down our throats.

Quesadilla Joe 08-10-2017 06:44 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">talking to Bears &amp; Chiefs &amp; watching Watson, it could turn out to have been a great QB class. Some teams in need may 2nd guess themselves</p>&mdash; Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBanner13/status/895624191109722112">August 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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DJ's left nut 08-10-2017 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12994311)
Awesome. Good for Deshone. I hope he works out for Cleveland.

Yep; pulling for Kizer.

But Kizer's warts weren't physical. They weren't even schematic. They were the intangibles. So what you could see in Kizer is the kind of hot start and early plateau you got from someone like Josh Freeman (or even Jay Cutler).

It shouldn't surprise anyone if he's the better of the 4 QBs right out of the box because he comes from a relatively advanced system and has a world of arm talent. But if his intangibles are a problem, he won't grow much beyond that.

The Franchise 08-10-2017 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13002250)
Yep; pulling for Kizer.

But Kizer's warts weren't physical. They weren't even schematic. They were the intangibles. So what you could see in Kizer is the kind of hot start and early plateau you got from someone like Josh Freeman (or even Jay Cutler).

It shouldn't surprise anyone if he's the better of the 4 QBs right out of the box because he comes from a relatively advanced system and has a world of arm talent. But if his intangibles are a problem, he won't grow much beyond that.

He's got all the physical tools. I'm interested to see how he does in Cleveland when they lose most of their games this year. Does he rise above? Or does he go in a shell and start sucking with them?

I think Reid would have been a good fit for Kizer as a coach. I wouldn't take him over Mahomes now though.

RunKC 08-10-2017 10:00 AM

Joe Banner
Joe Banner @JoeBanner13
talking to Bears & Chiefs & watching Watson, it could turn out to have been a great QB class. Some teams in need may 2nd guess themselves
7:33 AM · Aug 10, 2017

**** NFL experts. "oh my god this class sucks wait for next year!". God I'm glad we finally pulled the damn trigger.

I will maintain what I said before the draft: this is a good QB class and I would have been happy with many of these guys. They all have ability and some warts.

I hope Mahomes, Watson, Kizer and Trubisky all turn into good starters for a long time so we can shit on these "experts" every year.

O.city 08-10-2017 10:45 AM

When good offensive coaches wanted and or drafted these guys, it was the first sign for me that the draft guys may have been off a bit.

staylor26 08-10-2017 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13002342)
When good offensive coaches wanted and or drafted these guys, it was the first sign for me that the draft guys may have been off a bit.

Yup, great point

And most of them wanted our boy :D

Quesadilla Joe 08-27-2017 06:18 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It takes constant attention to gauge the quality of a QB, it doesn&#39;t take long to gauge his talent. Browns haven&#39;t had a guy this talented. <a href="https://t.co/i0v3PS1biz">pic.twitter.com/i0v3PS1biz</a></p>&mdash; Cian Fahey (@Cianaf) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/901597517695000576">August 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Quesadilla Joe 08-27-2017 08:04 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Preseason showed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> Kizer most advanced of big four rookie QBs. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a> Deshaun Watson biggest disappointment. <a href="https://t.co/Wh6W7HWqmr">https://t.co/Wh6W7HWqmr</a></p>&mdash; Evan Silva (@evansilva) <a href="https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/901799628932345857">August 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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kcchiefsus 08-27-2017 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 13040393)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Preseason showed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> Kizer most advanced of big four rookie QBs. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a> Deshaun Watson biggest disappointment. <a href="https://t.co/Wh6W7HWqmr">https://t.co/Wh6W7HWqmr</a></p>&mdash; Evan Silva (@evansilva) <a href="https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/901799628932345857">August 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Go kill yourself

Direckshun 08-30-2017 08:14 AM

I'm incredibly thrilled for Kizer. I really want this kid to be very good.

The problem is he's going to have to start this year for a team that's not remotely ready to give him any help. I really hope the Browns don't break him.

This will be an excellent test for him. Survive this year, big man, let the team congeal around you.

Chiefnj2 08-30-2017 08:39 AM

Kizer has a 51% completion percentage so far after 3 games. I watched his highlights from the last game and they had him throwing a lot of deep passes, almost all of which were incomplete. I'm not sure what they are doing with him, or why people think he looks great. IMO, Trubisky still looks the best (albeit he's getting most of his playing time late in games) and then I'd say Kizer and Mahomes are tied. They each have some "wow" moments and throws, but then lack consistency. Watson isn't looking great right now, and it isn't even because of the ball speed.

Direckshun 08-30-2017 10:04 AM

I haven't been watching Watson. What're you seeing?

RunKC 08-30-2017 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13045207)
Kizer has a 51% completion percentage so far after 3 games. I watched his highlights from the last game and they had him throwing a lot of deep passes, almost all of which were incomplete. I'm not sure what they are doing with him, or why people think he looks great. IMO, Trubisky still looks the best (albeit he's getting most of his playing time late in games) and then I'd say Kizer and Mahomes are tied. They each have some "wow" moments and throws, but then lack consistency. Watson isn't looking great right now, and it isn't even because of the ball speed.

I agree.

Trubisky has the best mechanics by far and that makes him the best. The downfield accuracy concerns for Watson are being magnified. Anything past 15 yards is a real struggle for him.

RealSNR 08-30-2017 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13002285)
Joe Banner
Joe Banner @JoeBanner13
talking to Bears & Chiefs & watching Watson, it could turn out to have been a great QB class. Some teams in need may 2nd guess themselves
7:33 AM · Aug 10, 2017

**** NFL experts. "oh my god this class sucks wait for next year!". God I'm glad we finally pulled the damn trigger.

I will maintain what I said before the draft: this is a good QB class and I would have been happy with many of these guys. They all have ability and some warts.

I hope Mahomes, Watson, Kizer and Trubisky all turn into good starters for a long time so we can shit on these "experts" every year.

Some teams are adjusting their draft strategies to the product that's coming out of the NCAA these days, and some teams aren't.

You're going to see far more draft classes like 2017 where every top QB prospect has some sort of question mark or red flag that sticks out. If your scouts do their ****ing homework, those question marks and red flags shouldn't be an issue, but if you're clueless and waiting to be spoonfed a QB from the draft, you're going to be waiting a long time.

What did I say? If Darnold doesn't declare in 2018, that QB class isn't going to look nearly as special as people claimed it did. There will be some good QBs, but they're not going to be those perfect golden boys that everybody thought would flow like honey in 2018. Many of them are going to be rated about in the same range as the top 4 guys from 2017. And like every draft class, some will rise and some will fall. Will Rosen and Allen put it together and demonstrate their talent can be translated to the NFL? They might. They might not. They both might fall to the 3rd round. They might go 1st and 2nd overall.

The night we drafted Mahomes was so goddamn glorious. We didn't wait until 2018. We saw a guy we liked and we traded to GO GET him. It feels great to have a vision and not just be a team that says, "We're going to keep folding pre-ante until we're dealt pocket aces."

DJ's left nut 08-30-2017 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13046262)
The night we drafted Mahomes was so goddamn glorious. We didn't wait until 2018. We saw a guy we liked and we traded to GO GET him. It feels great to have a vision and not just be a team that says, "We're going to keep folding pre-ante until we're dealt pocket aces."

"Go away! 'Batin'...."

It's impossible to overstate how happy I am with how this whole goddamn quarterback circus has turned out. Mahomes will be right there alonside Winston, Mariotta and Carr as the "premier young QBs leading the next wave after Manning and Brady..."

For the first time in our lifetimes the Chiefs are going to be among the NFL's quarterback royalty and it's because they DIDN'T sit around and wait to get lucky.

Direckshun 08-30-2017 05:33 PM

That'll be weird when the "young QB wave" is in Kansas City, Tennessee, Tampa Bay, and Oakland.

Chiefnj2 08-30-2017 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13045387)
I haven't been watching Watson. What're you seeing?

He's not used to NFL speed yet. Seems to be a little slow going through his reads. Throwing the ball up for grabs when under pressure. But, he's been playing earlier in games against more defensive starters than the other rookies.

RunKC 09-02-2017 02:09 PM

"Josh Allen will be better than Pat Mahomes." LMAO

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshNorri...041409/video/1

This guy looks awful

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-02-2017 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13053137)
"Josh Allen will be better than Pat Mahomes." LMAO

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshNorri...041409/video/1

This guy looks awful

ROFL

SQUEE!

BryanBusby 09-02-2017 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13053137)
"Josh Allen will be better than Pat Mahomes." LMAO

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshNorri...041409/video/1

This guy looks awful

Can't wait to watch all these stupid ****ers waffle. A bad week isn't the end of the world, but he wasn't really great from the start and hasn't had a good game against a worthwhile opponent.

GloucesterChief 09-03-2017 08:03 AM

Falk had a decent game, 33-39 3TDs 311 yards. Montana State was dropping 8 in coverage the whole game so most of the passes were into the flats for the RBs.

staylor26 09-03-2017 10:55 PM

Darnold and Allen had really rough weeks.

Rosen on the other hand looked great in UCLA's comeback win. Though I'll say one of those TD's towards the end should've been picked.

KChiefs1 09-04-2017 10:29 AM

Jets already talking Rosen:

Potential Jets QB Josh Rosen leads UCLA to stunning comeback win - NY Daily News

If the Jets were originally planning to “Suck For Sam,” they may need to take a closer look at “The Rosen One.”

Potential Jets savior Josh Rosen put on a show Sunday night, throwing for four fourth-quarter touchdown passes to help UCLA overcome a 34-point second-half deficit to stun visiting Texas A&M, 45-44, at the Rose Bowl.

The Jets were one of eight teams that sent representatives to scout Rosen, according to Pete Thamel.

After a shaky start that saw UCLA fall behind 38-10 at the half, Rosen finished the game 35-of-58 passing for 491 yards and the four touchdowns.

UCLA QB Josh Rosen gives Jets fans a look into their future

Josh Rosen reacts after leading UCLA to a comeback win over Texas A&M.
(Danny Moloshok/AP)
Including USC’s Sam Darnold and Wyoming’s Josh Allen, Rosen is one of three quarterbacks whom the Jets could potentially consider drafting if they 'earn' the No. 1 overall pick.

UCLA scored on five straight possessions after trailing 44-10 with 4:08 to play in the third quarter.

Rosen threw touchdown passes of 9 and 42 yards to Darren Andrews before finding Theo Howard for a 16-yard score on a broken play with 3:08 remaining.

Josh Rosen threw four fouth quarter touchdown passes to lead UCLA to a stunning comeack win.
(Sean M. Haffey/Getty Images)
UCLA got the ball back with 2:39 to go and drove 51 yards in seven plays, including an 11-yard throw and catch to tight end Caleb Wilson. Rosen capped the remarkable comeback with a fade to the far corner of the end zone after faking a spike to freeze Texas A&M's defense. JJ Molson kicked the winning extra point.

UCLA QB Josh Rosen says college and football ‘don’t go together’

Despite missing the final six games last season due to a shoulder injury, Rosen entered the 2017 season as a Heisman contender and potential No.1 pick.

Rosen was a four-star recruit and the No. 2 pocket passer quarterback in ESPN's Class of 2015 rankings coming out of high school.

Barring an unforseen leap from second-year quarterback Christian Hackenberg, it's widely expected the Jets will select a quarterback in the first round of the 2018 draft.

Quesadilla Joe 09-05-2017 01:06 PM

Wyoming’s Josh Allen failed to live up to hype against Iowa

Spoiler!
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...h1oigq2dsqbbqs

DJ's left nut 09-05-2017 01:46 PM

4 months after the draft and one of the members of the vaunted 'next year's class' is already being compared unfavorably to one of the members of the 'worst QB class in recent memory...'

The draft guys got this class so, so wrong. And they've oversold the '18 class as a consequence.

Quesadilla Joe 09-09-2017 07:00 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Rosen is the first Pac-12 QB to throw for 5+ pass TD, 300 pass yards, complete 85 pct of his passes in a game in the last 20 years. <a href="https://t.co/TVWKyPDtu0">pic.twitter.com/TVWKyPDtu0</a></p>&mdash; ESPN Stats &amp; Info (@ESPNStatsInfo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/906679921275269121">September 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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DaneMcCloud 09-11-2017 11:35 AM

Rosen has the biggest upside, by far, because he's basically coasted at UCLA and finally, he's committed.

Darnold's regressed a bit and I think Josh Allen is a 3rd rounder at best. His accuracy issues can't be overlooked.

Baker Mayfield looked really solid this weekend and while he's a little short (supposedly, 6'1), he may end up in the top half of the first round if that continues.

O.city 09-11-2017 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13074443)
Rosen has the biggest upside, by far, because he's basically coasted at UCLA and finally, he's committed.

Darnold's regressed a bit and I think Josh Allen is a 3rd rounder at best. His accuracy issues can't be overlooked.

Baker Mayfield looked really solid this weekend and while he's a little short (supposedly, 6'1), he may end up in the top half of the first round if that continues.

Mayfield seems like a really good college qb a meh pro. Chase Daniel esque

Quesadilla Joe 09-13-2017 11:57 AM

From Breer...
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1. The way Darnold ripped up Stanford’s defense was worth your attention, mainly because that’s a Cardinal team that traditionally has given USC fits. One evaluator who live-scouted him on Saturday at the Coliseum: “That’s the first pick in the draft. Troy Aikman, to a T. The whole package. Instincts in the pocket, how he moves, the arm, and he’s accurate as all get-out.”

4. Notre Dame’s continued struggles, and DeShone Kizer’s emergence in Cleveland, certainly seem to give new color to what transpired in South Bend last fall between the quarterback and coach Brian Kelly.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/13/20..._medium=social

RunKC 09-13-2017 12:18 PM

Baker Mayfield is Johnny Football IMO. He's even a dumbass off the field like him too.

Dude tried to outrun Arkansas police.

DaneMcCloud 09-14-2017 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13078656)
Baker Mayfield is Johnny Football IMO. He's even a dumbass off the field like him too.

Dude tried to outrun Arkansas police.

I know nothing about him, other than what I saw last weekend and scouting reports.

Size is probably his biggest detriment. It always seems like these college QB's are at least an inch shorter, if not two, from their college measurements.

If he's 5'11 or 6'0, those 1st and 2nd round evaluations will drop to 5th & 6th.

OldSchool 09-14-2017 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13078656)
Baker Mayfield is Johnny Football IMO. He's even a dumbass off the field like him too.

Dude tried to outrun Arkansas police.

Better passer, IMO, but just as much of an idiot off the field.

Quesadilla Joe 09-16-2017 11:09 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I would never draft Rosen just like I would never have drafted Hackenberg or Bortles. Rosen WILL fail in the league</p>&mdash; Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/909089588194488321">September 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;ll take Mason Rudolph over Rosen everyday of the week. Rudolph is loaded w/intangibles while Rosen has very few</p>&mdash; Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/909085910930722817">September 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With Josh Allen too many are falling by in love with his arm and athleticism and not watching how he plays</p>&mdash; Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/909087426970312706">September 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don&#39;t have one. You have to let things play out. Never bought the preseason hype. Don&#39;t like Allen at all, nor do I like Rosen. Lack &quot;it&quot;</p>&mdash; Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/909084260799311872">September 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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RealSNR 09-16-2017 12:01 PM

I'm doubting Allen as much as the next guy, but we've got a long season to play. Even Luck had bad games in college.

O.city 09-16-2017 12:33 PM

Rosen looks really good but seems a lot of offfield stuff.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-16-2017 01:59 PM

Greg Gabriel seems like a penis-eater.

BryanBusby 09-16-2017 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13083597)
I'm doubting Allen as much as the next guy, but we've got a long season to play. Even Luck had bad games in college.

Allen is more Paxton Lynch than Ben Roethlisburger.

BryanBusby 09-16-2017 08:14 PM

LMAO at anyone who thought this shit was better than Mahomes

Where's that ginger ****er at to tell people that 18 is the big year!

RealSNR 09-16-2017 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13084128)
LMAO at anyone who thought this shit was better than Mahomes

Where's that ginger ****er at to tell people that 18 is the big year!

Who? Billay?

DaneMcCloud 09-16-2017 09:37 PM

As I mentioned, Darnold has regressed

BryanBusby 09-16-2017 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13084188)
Who? Billay?

Yeah. He was the ****er that claimed very heavily that they should wait it out for Josh Allen.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13084223)
As I mentioned, Darnold has regressed

I think Darnold will eventually be a top 5 NFL choice, but people got worked up far too quickly and forgot that he's pretty young and isn't NFL ready. They saw 5 minutes of him against Penn St and thought they had seen everything they needed to see.

He's still got a lot to learn at USC.

RealSNR 09-16-2017 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13084530)
Yeah. He was the ****er that claimed very heavily that they should wait it out for Josh Allen.

Good. Now I'm rooting hard for Allen to fail. Next time the ginger tard takes a potshot at me and claims I don't know my football, he's going to get a faceful of rape.

OldSchool 09-16-2017 11:22 PM

Josh Allen is pulling a Hackenberg.

milkman 09-16-2017 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13084558)
Good. Now I'm rooting hard for Allen to fail. Next time the ginger tard takes a potshot at me and claims I don't know my football, he's going to get a faceful of rape.

You actually let someone that has never said an intelligent thing about football, or anything for that matter, to get under your skin?

GloucesterChief 09-17-2017 10:35 AM

Falk seemed to have rebounded from his really bad game against Boise. It is Oregon State which hasn't been decent in a while but still. We will see in two weeks when USC comes up to the Palouse.

DaneMcCloud 09-18-2017 09:50 AM

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...ing-an-eye-on/

7. Josh Allen, Wyoming

Stock Down

Since forever, many NFL coaches have believed if a quarterback has all the physical tools he can be taught the intricacies of the position. For example, Josh Allen is 6-feet-4 with plus athleticism and a Matthew Stafford-esque arm, hence his first-round (or to some, No. 1 overall) hype heading into this season.

But I think it's time we turn that old-school philosophy on its head. To me, arm strength can be developed at the NFL level. Accuracy, coverage-reading and sound decision-making cannot. If you're having trouble consistently throwing an accurate football, reading a defense, or choosing when it's OK to fire a pass into tight coverage in college, how in the world are you going to suddenly improve in all those areas against the most challenging competition on Earth? You're not.

This theory applies directly to Allen. He was blessed with immense physical talent. There is absolutely no doubting that. But he has much to learn regarding the vital nuances of playing quarterback.

Also, there's a caveat here. Like I wrote after his poor performance against Iowa, I'm not going blast him when Wyoming is ridiculously overmatched, and it certainly was against Oregon. He has a tendency to try to do too much to account for the sizable gap in talent when his Cowboys face a team from a Power Five conference, but he can't do it alone. His receivers haven't exactly helped to boost his draft stock either.

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Any team that selects Allen in the first round, let alone Top 5, will be disappointed with the results.

You can't teach accuracy.

kccrow 09-18-2017 01:28 PM

I stick by my assertion that Mason Rudolph is the cream of the 2018 crop.


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