yup, the face of the NFL is about to change, and it is WAY overdue.

...especially in the AFC.

Baldinger went through and did his videos like he normally does, I would post them but I can't embed at the moment.

He LOVES Mahomes.

Quoted because truth

It's gonna be fun when Eagles, Texans and Rams fans come over here to troll us. LMAO

Hell, maybe Tiger, Mav and Sandy will stay and become 49ers fans again. LMAO LMAO LMAO

I live in Houston and Desean is legit had to watch a lot of their games this year, kid was badass way better than I thought (arm strength)

But definitely still prefer our guy because of pure talent

Of course you do.

Meanwhile, Watson scored 20 TDs in like 5 weeks.

Not that accurate.

The catch was better than the throw.

Watson is RG3 part 2. Wipe him off the list.

Nick Foles, RG3, Kaepernick, etc. had great runs early on too.

I’m not an idiot that just looks at stats. I rely on the eyeball test, and while it was an impressive run, I just never saw it being sustainable. He was throwing up a lot of deep balls for grabs and his receivers made some great plays. I feel like he will struggle once DC’s start to figure him out.

Then again I’m talking to the guy that was sold on Blake Bortles after his 30+ TD season after I tried to tell him it was fluky. Stop basing your football takes on stats like Clay and you won’t consistently look like a ****ing morn.

Yeah, no

You guys are blind if you are thinking this about Watson.... please rereview the tape. I'm in the camp that believed Mahomes is our guy. But Watson is real

I’m not saying Watson sucks. I’m saying he will come back down to earth and I just don’t see elite upside. Maybe tier 2, but not quite elite.

How many of those were throw it up prayers that his wr came up with?

Well I can say I was more impressed with his Arm, I was led to believe he couldn't make all the throws. But he's got great poise, and the guy is an amazing human being.

After Harvey he donated his game check to two workers and did other thing etc. I think he has the mental part down, I just like mahomes "pure talent" more

Not a lot, don't just think he did that because of Chiefs game man. He shredded Patriots and Seahawks with tight window throws and amazing deep accuracy

Sure he is. First year guy that looks like a stud and will never stay healthy.

Alex Smith also shredded that Patriots defense early on in the season. They were giving up 30 it’s a game like it was nothing.

The Seattle game was probably him most impressive performance and it came with the Watson many of us expected. He threw 3 picks that game I believe.

He’s dangerous because of his legs, and they’re toothpicks. It’s not sustainable.

Staylor is right... Watson is a fine QB, a good one even, but he had some fluky plays every week. I still remember like 3-4 throws against KC that he just heaved up into double coverage and our DBs somehow didn't even knock the ball away.

He will be a fine player, but he's not going to put up those numbers consistently.

Yeah, I was never sold on Bortles. The argument was over whether or not he deserved NFL Network's Top 100 status. Your argument was that he played a soft schedule and didn't deserve it; mine was that you really can't argue against it after a QB throws for THIRTY-FIVE ****ing TDs.

If Mahomes throws 35 TDs next season you'll cream your ****ing pants.

I actually agree with you on Watson, by the way. He was throwing up hella jump balls. That's a luxury you have when you're throwing to Hopkins and a burner like Fuller.. can't argue with production, though. Watson looks like the real deal.

He will throw 20+ INT's every year. His best asset are his legs.

Those jump balls usually aren't sustainable

It is if you've been watching ****ing Matt Cassel and Alex Smith for almost a decade.

Ugh. You're bring the depression feels into this most glorious thread.

But the end is near, and things are finally looking up.

Watson is damaged and will never be great. Both knees now have major repairs. Once his mobility is hampered he will suck. That time is now.

Chiefs football is finally going to be worth the ticket price.

Call me a noob all you want... But KMA Smith Sucker!!!.... Oh, and KMA is not Kiss My Ass.... It's Kiss Mahomes' Ass tool bag.

I have never been this giddy about the Chiefs. Literally start cheesing every time I think about yesterday's game.

Yup. DeShaun Watson is only 22 years old has already had a cracked collarbone and ACL tears in both of his knees.

That’s why you don’t draft slim frames guys with skinny legs. RGIII, Bridgewater, Watson.

These guys are injury prone as hell.

I apologize but where is #29 is that clip?

He's the guy realizing the Donks are ****ed for 15 years.

https://i.imgur.com/WWUsQjV.gif

Coming over from the short receiver

:whackit: Oh shit that is beautiful!!!... Muther****ers are trying to find idiots that think that was a bad pass.

I will, n00b.

:hump:nlm:hump:nlm:dom:nlm:dom:

...you can't refute it, n00b.

Sucks to be you.

Hi Stevie! Merry Christmas to you. Hope you had a great one.

Thanks Easy... Much love back at yah.

My bad... I C now. His reaction was as thrilled as the Smith cock suckers.

SNR, below is my post in the Patrick Mahomes thread from the minute he got drafted. I am banned from that thread because people think I'm trolling. Maybe he will be great and prove me wrong? Either way, I'm not gonna change my opinion to fit in. Hell, I even expressed my happiness for you guys early in the game thread yesterday. People blow shit out of proportion. What can you do?



"If Reid likes him I am good with it... I liked Watson better but Mahommes is a Chief..."

Being a huge douchelord to an Arrowhead fixture is no way to endear yourself to anyone... stevieray might as well be a piece of furniture at Arrowhead, thats how well he is known there

Try disagreeing without being a dick about it...

You are correct !!

Imagine a SB with those two facing each other.:clap:

Yes I'm a noob. But I would rather be a Mahomes optimist than a Smith ball licker. I wouldn't say that if I didn't notice that your posts for the past year has shown you wanted to give Smith a nob-job.

I know.

I disagree. I think he can transfer to the pocket like Aaron Brooks or Randall Cunningham. He's not RGIII. He doesn't rely on mobility as much and he is driven. He wants to play. They just need an o-line because theirs sucks ass.

Douchelord.... That is a new one for me... I feel like I just moved up in the ranks... I apologize if I may have offended a CP icon. But at the same time, I think he is a douchebag, not a douchelord, for shiting on the Chiefs' new QB. Just my 2 cents.

Holy butt****ing christ this kid is insane. LMAO

https://i.imgur.com/3UfAffY.gif

https://i.imgur.com/4nsMo2S.gif

The 2nd one is the one for me

Eyes up climb the pocket and throw a flick twisted dart?

Yeah

Not impressed by any of this.

/PAChiefsFan

lol look at this ****ing anticipation

https://i.imgur.com/1IKqvZZ.jpg

Damn. I hadn't realized Robinson was that far from the sideline. That throw looks 5x more impressive now. It also doesn't look as 'risky' when you see this picture.

LOL ****ing drop on an insane throw

https://i.imgur.com/2SrQQDc.gif

This was the coverage on that third down when he hung in the pocket. This is right before he starts his throw. Alex NEVER throws this ball.

https://i.imgur.com/BTHwkcM.jpg

He's "wired" differently and I love it

Some things can be taught you either have it or you don't

So here's that play when Mahomes made a "dumb" throw into coverage. This wasn't a bad decision. Harris is open for a TD. Pat just UNDERTHROWS IT, which is surprising.

https://i.imgur.com/wh7KblD.jpg

Is there another DB behind Harris? I count 10 Broncos in that clip so 1 is missing somewhere.

Kid just needs to focus on setting his feet and throwing properly. Probably why t was underthrown.

I mentioned it in one of the draft threads on Mahomes but man this puts it into perfect focus.

The baseball background with him is remarkably obvious. A baseball player is going to have 15 different arm angles he can throw from (especially if he ever played infield). They can sling it from a dozen different throwing platforms and with their bodies pointed in all kinds of weird directions.

Lifelong 'Quarterback only' guys don't do that. They're mechanically precise and clean as can be in their delivery, but the maelstrom will kill them because they need a steady throwing platform.

Mahomes arm strength is unique but it took the baseball training for him to be able to make some of those crazy ass flip throws he's making with his body all contorted. Dude's a rush, man.

Side note - he still throws off his back foot without needing to more often than I'd like. Small nit to pick but he does it. He's also still a little slow in getting rid of the ball; not quite in rhythm.

That all said, he's better in both regards than he was in the pre-season. A year of coaching is evident and he's improved significantly because of it. This kid is going to be an absolute monster as more and more of those rough edges are smoothed out but his ability to make something from nothing shines.

No. There's 11, one is just covered up by a Chiefs receiver.

No, there's 11 on the screen.

But Clay's wrong - that was a bad decision. He was hucking it as he was moving backwards to avoid pressure and made the number one mistake you do not make in that situation - late and over the middle.

If that wasn't a bad decision, then no such animal exists. He got lucky.

I won't knock him for the pick he did throw because that was a fine decision that he just didn't execute well - shit happens with rookies. I'll take execution errors when a guy's running the offense and making plays. But that wasn't an execution error - it was a mental one. The kind he can learn to avoid going forward.

Fortunately Andy and Nagy won't be making excuses for him on the tape like Clay will do. He'll learn from that and be better for it.

He wasn't getting hit. If he throws it 10 yards farther it's six points. He knows he can throw that ball 10 yards farther so he's going to take that shot every time.

I can live with that.

I think maybe he just got excited and tried to get rid of it TOO fast and it affected the throw.

Here

THE FUTURE IS HERE

ROFL

This is awesome.

He needed to put it 55 yards in the air over the middle off his back foot.

He connects on that throw one time in 10. Wanna try it on 3rd and 17 from the 50? Sure, you do you, boo. But that decision on 1st down when you're a simple swing pass away from a game-winning FG was a bad one. Situational football is huge and that was a really REALLY bad demonstration of situational football.

For perspective, the throw he made to Robinson was about 25 yards in the air off his back foot. He needed to more than double that throw (which was incredible) and do it over the middle of the field.

It was a silly decision.

That's a bit much, the D blew the Jets game. There's no real way to say what would have happened.

That second gif is normally a for sure sack or a short scramble.


Open WRs be dammed.

I agree except for the part that he connects on that throw one time out of 10. I think he could connect with a better ratio than that, like 1 out of 3.

Another note - the most 'air yards' traveled on a complete pass this year was 61 yards on a Goff throw to Watkins (I think the TD ended up being around 65 yards after dropback and YAC yards but the throw went 61 yards in the air).

Goff had his legs set and put everything he had into the throw. That was the outer boundary of completed passes this year - and you're saying that Mahomes has so much arm strength that he should be attempting a throw 90% as long off his back foot while on the run into double coverage over the middle?

Dude - calm down. It's okay to say the guy made a mistake. He absolutely, unquestionably made a mistake there. That was not a good decision by any stretch.

I’m still fine with it if he gathers him self a little and gets his momentum going forwards instead of backwards. I think he can absolutely throw it 55 yards if he does that. He just rushed it.

You're out of your mind.

I think I'm being generous on 1 in 10 and presuming that a receiver just makes a great play and takes it away. His best bet there was PI if the DB didn't get his head turned and Harris came back through him to get the ball.

Clay thinks he underthrew him because he didn't think he had to throw it harder - I think he underthrew him because Jesus...he threw it 50+ yards off his back foot while falling away from the throw, what the hell do you think he can do?

He put all the raw arm strength he had into that throw - it just came up short because of course it came up short. The guy has a brilliant arm but that's a throw that most guys can't get 40 yards downfield with as badly as he was contorted.

He had no business attempting that pass.

He's some dipshit mult, ROR maybe, but I'm not sure.

I look forward to the day when we're 3rd and 6 from our own 6 yard line. The defense blitzes six, Mahomes steps up, sets his feet, and goes bombs away to Tyreek down the sideline.

Agreed. That was the ONE play I was disappointed in seeing from Mahomes. It was a bad decision in situational football and my guess is that Andy will grill him for it.

The INT wasn't a bad decision, just a bad throw in his first Quarter jitters. Forgiven.

Different story because had he done that I'm not sure he floats it over the middle as much as he did. If he puts it further to the right (by setting and making a more accurate throw) then he has Harris and a size mis-match going 1 on 1 vs (I think) Harris. That's still risky as hell and unnecessary on 1st down, but it's getting closer to defensible.

But thinking he can fire one damn near 60 yards without setting his feet....well I hope the young gunslinger just learned something about the limits of his mortality. Kid wrote a check his ass couldn't cash.

There's nothing wrong with that and if he's going to do it, a meaningless week 17 game is the time to learn. But he needs to learn from it and fortunately I don't think the coaches are going to hand-waive it.

And yes Pat got lucky on that throw to Harris, really should never have thrown it, but goddamned if he still didn't nearly hit him in the hands in spite of two defenders being on top of Harris. And he did that rolling out off his back foot, too. Rare, rare arm strength and accuracy.

This is what I said last night. 1st down with plenty of time and you only need 5-10 yards to get in FG range..

Mahomes said he played outfielder and some short stop in his baseball days. He sure as hell looks like a short stop playing QB. He’s got to have a ton of experience fielding ground balls close to 3rd base where he picks up the ball and just turns his body to fire a heater to 1st base.

That was one of my only real negatives that I saw from him. Set your feet on those and your accuracy/strength will improve 10 fold.

Russell Wilson is a very good comp since he played baseball as well. Wilson entered the league with much better mechanics than Pat, but I foresee Pat getting better with every game.

None of his throws are what impressed me the most. I was floored by his mental ability. Pat was killing multiple plays, audibling, reading blitzes immediately and took advantage of nearly every blitz Denver threw at him.

That was Pat’s first time doing this in the NFL. Amazing how far he’s come.

Gonna be a fine line between trying to harness Mahomes in a bit and while encouraging him to not go dink crazy either. Sometimes you've just gotta let these gunslingers sling....otherwise, you might end up with another Alex. Let's face it, you kinda can't have it both ways, and I'd much rather see our QB making "mistakes" trying to win rather than suckle on the safety of the dink.

No doubt - getting the ball 50 yards in the air off nothing but arm strength is unreal; arm throws just don't do that. Though if you look at the wide cam, I think the 'accuracy' is a bit overstated; looks like Harris did a nice job adjusting when Mahomes actually threw him into coverage instead of away from it.

Kid has talent for days and his ability to just throw from any angle is something we rarely see. I know people are citing Rodgers a lot but I think Cutler is among the more interesting guys we've seen in a long time at that. Stafford is as well. Both of those guys are/were capable of unleashing absolute piss-rockets from virtually any arm angle.

The difference between Rodgers and Cutler is discretion. Cutler thinks there's ALWAYS a lane, 100% of the time. Rodgers thinks there's a lane 90% of the time and in that other 10% he just gets rid of it.

The difference between one of the best QBs to ever live and a walking Meme is that 10%. It's the 2-3 throws a game that Cutler attempts that Rodgers won't. Because their best plays aren't that dissimilar; it's their worst that separate them. Mahomes can be a Rodgers type QB, but the capacity to be closer to Cutler is in there as well.

I don't think we have to worry because like I said - I think he demonstrated outstanding growth even from the pre-season. But you have to recognize mistakes to learn from them and I hope he does here.

Throwing it as he did was definitely a poor decision. Had he taken a beat to set and throw, he's got the arm to make that throw. Would be interesting to know if he saw a shrinking window with the other safety coming across the field and tried to fit it in quickly, or if he just got excited and didn't realize he had time to set.

Either way, rookies will make rookie mistakes. The fact that it was nearly complete is kind of crazy, given how he threw it.

Yeah...his first start and we didn't have one delay of game or botched handoff or anything.

****ing amazing.

Next year is going to be one hell of a ride.