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Being told #mizzou waiting on a counter offer from big 12. These talks r intense a Lotta cash at stake


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Oh yeah, the NCAA tournament was for conference and regional champions while the NIT was for 6 teams invited by a committee. I see your point. Before the tournaments, there were obviously no champions. Good call, man.

CCNY won the NIT in 1950.

They are the Champions.

MU is the Brett Favre of collegiate athletics right now.

What a moron.

If you want to consider the NCAA tourney the national championship from 60 years ago, go for it. Its not true, but it's not important enough to bother disputing. Congrats on maybe having the best group of white-only set-shooters six decades ago.

A counter offer?? Is MU really that important?

Tradition is tradition. Football ain't the same as it was 60 years ago, either.

You're right, though, this argument is irrelevant.

So if the SEC is cold blooded, do they extend the offer somewhere between now and Monday/Tuesday on the eve of the A&M/Mizzou game next week?

Makes sense...

Can't wait to hear Keitzman's head explode lol...

KU has three, but who is counting, right? Especially when the facts hurt your point. In the last 50 years Kentucky has won 3 and KU 2. In the last 25 it is 2 and 2.

My point was, you keep referring to the strong teams in the SEC and the weak ones in the "big 9," as you have through out this thread.

Honestly, I am really glad Mizzou is going, and look forward to the results. They did do a good job today, no doubt about that.

So, it's 8 (7, actually) for UK and not 3, but 2 for KU and not 3...
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He shouldn't be mad. His (supposed) beef was the KC economy, and Mizzou showed they care for both the university and KC so they are going to have a basketball tournament and football game. Hopefully KU agrees to play to continue the rivalry and help KC, but if not Mizzou will join up with other local teams.

It was a pretty brilliant strategy to be honest.

When MU fans twist years to fit their argument I always end up laughing because no matter what years you choose for MU Athletics it always ends the same.

This fits your entire posting mantra in this thread.

You don't count the 1952 for KU, but you count the 4 from 1948 to 1958 for UK.

Excellent.

I expect Kietzman to have Mizzou's back and call on KU and K-State to follow Missouri's lead and do what's best for Kansas City. He should propose a Big XII SEC showdown preseason tourney in the Sprint Center with Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, and Kentucky. Think that would draw fans?

We love you KC!

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This is actually a pretty cool idea.

However KU is tied up playing in the Champions Classic w/ Kentucky for the next few years.

But by 2014 maybe they can fit it in.

Then count them. I don't really give a shit. In the last 20 years, Kentucky has won 2, and KU has won 1. In the modern era of college basketball, Kentucky has won 3, and KU has won 2. In the history of the NCAA tournament, Kentucky has won 7, and KU has won 3.

Define it however you want. I'm not saying that KU isn't one of the 5 or 6 best programs in NCAA basketball history. The discussion was about the rest of the conference. Outside of KU, no Big XII team has really mattered in decades.

LMAO yeah right

Good deal, Big 12 has a contract with Sprint Center through 2014 that they aren't going to break.

I think the Big XII tourney is under contract with the Sprint Center until 2014 anyway.

I hope they keep the Arrowhead game, though. I don't see a reason not to play MU at Arrowhead if both schools stand to make money as a result.

You're acting like Kietzman is just some petty, jealous asshole. He's repeatedly told us that this isn't about jealousy. It's about what's best for Kansas City. In fact, he went so far as to say that he felt sorry for the University of Missouri. I'm sure he'll put his money where his mouth is.

If anything other than bruised labias come into play, they will. I've heard over and over that this is a great rivalry that MU should work to preserve. If KU won't play us in the non-con, then it really wasn't a rivalry. It was just a game that they played because it was on the schedule.

The football game to me is a tossup.

Biggest reason is the way college football has devolved into pretty much just being a showcase for NFL players anyway these days. Are we going to have any close games this year on a big stage??

CFB is a great gameday atmosphere with the tailgating, girls, and parties.

Basketball is a much more grind of a sport night in and night out. Much more complex when it comes to scheduling.

Plus the money will be too big for either school to pass up with the annual event.

Oh, FFS... :facepalm:

lol because he is a petty jealous asshole. On 810's home page it says MU hasn't decided to go to the SEC... I don't know it seems to me they have

I'd like to note that post #6168 has started the most recent pissing match between KU/MU fans.

Didn't LSU and Oregon play right off the bat?

Mizzou played Arizona State.

Kansas State played Miami.

Oklahoma played Florida State.

Agreed, no team has actually won it all in (2) decades, but IMO they have mattered. I know 1988 doesn't fit into your "modern era" but OU had a pretty nice run that year. Texas has had several, OSU and others have had the teams to do it.

Do you think Florida will continue with the pattern they set of two championships? They missed the tournament 2 years in a row, then lost first round. But there is hope for them, the lost to Butler last year. :D

But then again, I am not sure why we are even discussing this. The SEC doesn't give a crap about College BB. Just ask Rick Pitino, Billy Donovan, Kevin Stallings, Mike Anderson etc.

Has Self or anyone commented on how this might affect the KU/UMKC noncon games in the future? Like to try to catch them on a down year.

ROOS!

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KK: Deaton has cold feet

Resumed? It never stopped. :shake:

1988 absolutely fits in the modern era. A couple of teams have had made nice runs. There have been a couple of Final Fours and several Elite Eights scattered about, but none of the programs really "matter".

Kietzman has sources!!!

ROFL

Kietzman saying that Hoenig didn't want to work with Mizzou, so he's leaving to be the #2 at the FDIC.

If KU were to bend over keep playing MU, it would basically turn into the MU/Illinois game. :yawn

There is no incentive for KU to agree to play MU, in Missouri, if MU were to go to the SEC. In football, KU can make that money up in another game. In basketball, it doesn't benefit KU at all financially; any more than scheduling some low-level D1 school. So, that leaves the rivalry; which is built on ego and spite. Both schools are at fault here. And as far as I'm concerned, it shows how strong the hatred is for one another.

The hate is stronger than the rivalry. That says a lot.

So - he had "sources" saying Hoenig was the guy and now Hoenig took an appointment from the White House.

SO - OBVIOUSLY, there's turmoil within the BOC.

It couldn't be something more obvious - like he was wrong about Hoenig being the President in waiting for the MU system.

How can KK possibly misread a press conference so badly? Deaton doesn't have a decision; the decision has been made.

now KK is trying to put a guilt trip on Deaton.

so yeah he is an asshole

No incentive except the 100+ year old rivalry. Right?

If KU refuses to play us, we could pile up some wins due to forfeit.

The ****? What game is KU going to schedule that makes as much money as the Border War at Arrowhead?

As far as Illinois goes, MU/Illinois don't have a 100+ year history. Champaign is 200 miles from the nearest big city in Missouri. Missourians never burned Champaign to the ground. That is a piss-poor comparison.

I appreciate Kietzman, a K-State fan living in Kansas, anointing himself as the voice of Mizzou fans in Kansas City.

He's now saying that Mizzou is in danger of losing Lee's Summit kids to Kansas because of this move. Lee's Summit is 90% black and gold. I'm pretty sure KU football isn't going to poach our targets out of Lee's ****ing Summit.

I appreciate Kietzman, a K-State fan living in Kansas, anointing himself as the voice of Mizzou fans in Kansas City.

He's now saying that Mizzou is in danger of losing Lee's Summit kids to Kansas because of this move. Lee's Summit is 90% black and gold. I'm pretty sure KU football isn't going to poach our targets out of Lee's ****ing Summit.

We're going to lose Lee's Summit Mizzou fans to Kansas. /KK

so when is the date that you guys make it official?

Correct.

Deaton doesn't get the authority unless the decision has been made.

If the BOC did that, it could (theoretically) breach their fiduciary to the University.

KK is high comedy these days.

More hysterical and desperate than ever.

I always have to turn KK off at the 30 minute mark, its just too much.

He is like Howard Stern, people just tune in to hear what crazy thing he will say next.

No it's not, it's a perfect comparison. The "rivalry" such as it would become, would be relegated to one game per year. Yippie.

It wouldn't be the same at all. The fact that KU and MU are in the same conference makes the rivalry that much stronger. Relegating it to one game per year would significantly diminish it. The history of the rivalry isn't strong enough to maintain the day-in and day-out hatred these schools have for one another when playing in-conference.

Well the "They're DESTROYING KC economically" arguement is gone.

Gotta have something to fill the air time.

Would it diminish the rivalry as much as KU refusing to take part in it?

My guess would be early next week via a press release.

Next week is SEC week then MU and A&M play on Saturday.

Yeah, if he is so concerned about KC maybe he should move there and take some responsibility for its welfare.

Would you continue to play KU in the state of Kansas if they bolted to the Pac 12?

Caller - MU is already middle to upper level of the SEC :facepalm:

How many football games do KU and MU play against each other per year now?

Literally.

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Jesus Christ, dude. We're talking about Arrowhead here, not Columbia. The football game should stay if it benefits both schools financially. I would say the same thing about the basketball game, but I just don't think KU has anything to gain by scheduling MU in the Sprint center and taking another non-con game out.

Dew says, indeed.

The rivalry would/will not be anywhere near the same if MU moves conferences. You know that as well as anyone. The rivalry is what it is because they're in the same conference.

The SEC will be less fun for the fans./KK

At Livestrong? 30 minutes from Lawrence, and 3 hours from Columbia? Probably not. If the Kansas border stretched over to Arrowhead which is 2 and a half hours from Columbia and an hour and fifteen minutes from Lawrence? Sure.

Uhhhh, we had a pretty intense rivalry before football and basketball were invented.

Who is Iowa State's biggest rival?

Exactly.

If KU commits to scheduling MU in it's non-con, their chances of achieving bowl eligibility will take a significant hit. Does anyone believe KU is going to win 3+ games with any regularity in the Big XII?

Losing sucks no matter to whom and where you are losing. He's right on that one.

Mizzou is going to leave to a league of football giants with unbelievable facilities, but we're going to stay stagnant. Less fun for fans.

Real rivals don't do this!

The rivalry is what is because KU hates MU & MU hates KU and we want, and hope for, the worst for our counterpart. It has nothing to do with being in the same conference.

Mizzou is going to leave to a league of football giants with unbelievable facilities, but we're going to stay stagnant. Less fun for fans.

Real rivals don't do this!

I'm going to miss Ames, Lawrence, Manhattan, Waco, Stillwater, etc. when we are forced to play in Gainesville, Athens, Knoxville, Fayetville, Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, etc.

I don't think they can win 2+ now. Maybe when the city schools come marching in.

Just curious?

do you or did you travel alot for the road games?

Great call that last one.

Yea.

Game on I say!

Yeah....Columbia ranks right up there with the best SEC towns. Columbia has always been this hidden gem in the crapfest that is the Big 12.