He is regressing to the mean. No way would he make a mockery of the league his entire career.

He is pressing and really struggling to stay patient, and the defense is doing him no favors on that front. I still think we finish the season with an elite offense. Top 2 or 3 in the league when it’s all said and done. But today’s performance has shaken my faith some. Mahomes played awful. No other way to say it.

He's hit a rough patch.

Brady has looked awful at times in his career, too.

Mahomes will break out of it. He's a tough son of a bitch and has the right mentality to figure his shit out.

It will take time. It might not even happen this season as long as this defense continues to play like putrid dog shit. But eventually he's going to settle in and play just as comfortably in the pocket as he is out on the run

Mahomes is not regressing. He beat up and tired of carrying the team. He dropped back and nobody was open today and then he gets hit because his tackles suck. We need a running game and a defense.

This. Mahomes played bad today. A lot of that was based on the fact Orlando Brown was getting destroyed. Just toasted around the edge all day. Mahomes was uncomfortable from the first drive onward. I'm not concerned about Mahomes. Most of his INTs are from dropped passes and an amazing play on a tipped ball. He'll get his shit together and be fine. I'm more concerned about literally everything else on the team.

I've seen a lot of bad takes in my day, but this... this one's special

He doesn’t trust his tackles…so he drifts and doesn’t step up in the pocket. No one was getting open because we can’t run the ****ing ball. He’s pressing to make up for the defense and the turnovers are messing with his head. Half of him wants to throw it and the other half is worried about turning it over.

He’ll get it figured out.

He's more conscious of his protection, or lack thereof, than I've ever seen him.

His first couple years he would slide away from pressure like he had eyes in the back of his head. His eyes would NEVER waver from downfield, which is why he was so good at converting long down and distances.

Now, it's very obvious that he's feeling pressure, often before it even gets home, and it's effecting how he's seeing the field and moving around.

It's a mental block that he's gonna have to work through. If he could just string a few good games together I think that would break him out of it.

This!

I cant believe some of you guys. Im fine with being critical of his play recently but some of you are going way to far.

This is Patrick ****ing Mahomes! Leader of the Chiefs. Superbowl Champion, MVP! Greatest thing to happen to football in my lifetime.

Sure he isnt playing up to his incredibly lofty standards right now but it hurts him more than it hurts us. Thats the kind of person he is. He wants to win!

Let the man figure it out, he will. Stop dissing his wife, brother, daughter and his bank account.

Again, this is Patrick ****ing Mahomes! Dont forget that!

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Mahomes QBR today.

6.1

I'm a bit suprised that Mahomes struggles so much. I expected a downturn from the other players, but didnt expect Mahomes to have such issues. Most of them are also related to the OL and Kelce and Hill being not able to get free as usual.

Overall you can say two things: Chiefs are performing bad and teams are catching up. Catching up means for Reid and Veach, however this season might end, this team needs fresh blood, hungry players, new concepts across all areas.

We really look like the implosion that was the 2011 dream team Eagles..

We're on pace for 41 turnovers, they had 38.

He sucked because the entire team sucks. You can't expect one guy to carry an entire team of ass. Russel Wilson and Rodgers can do it because their teams are never truly bad. This Chiefs team is just god awful. You're insane if you expect Pat to keep this shitshow competitive.

A couple of things are happening, he actually has less turnover worthy plays per game this year compared to last year.

He went from being lucky to super unlucky. The offense is also super ****ing stubborn and doesn't adapt well at all.

We're paying the price for bad drafts...

And to be honest here Rodgers carried some real shit stain teams to the playoffs. He's a more poised player than Pat is..

He's in a major funk. Not sure if he'll be able to drag himself out of it this season. If they continue losing, the only positive is getting a much higher spot in the Draft and hopefully start putting together a stronger roster.

He's basically on pace to have a Winston on roids season.

44 tds 22 ints 5100 yards

He's got to learn to throw ball away when there is nothing there. He keeps trying to force a play even when everyone is covered. He also needs to learn to audible to run more. We were passing way too much this game when Titans were daring us to run.

All easily fixable. Today he was just off that's going to happen every now and then but I'm confident he will bounce back.

Chiefs aren't helping him w bad defense and poor running game. It's making it very hard on him to ne able to use play action passes like he should

You cock suckers are so ****in stupid. Are you seriously trying to place the blame on Pat? The entire ****ing team is TERRIBLE. I want to smack you. Pat's shitty performance has nothing to do with him. The entire team is horrible and it starts with the coaches.

Kind of weird, when Patrick himselfs takes blame and acknowledged that he is also to blame.

Where is Jackson to dance all over Steve McNair to distract us from this game

Mahomes is making plenty of mistakes that fall directly on him and nobody else.

You're all morons. Just don't even talk to me

OK :thumb:

Mahomes is in a bit of a slow spell. Defenses have figured out how to counter the offensive threats and Andy has done nothing to counter it.

I'd be a little downcast too if I were Mahomes saddled with the catastrophe that is the Chiefs defense.

Some people need to man the **** up. We are in a slump yes, do we have time to turn things round and make the playoffs, yes we ****ing do. Until its mathematically impossible to make the playoffs please stop whining and support the team.

Our run game sucks. That's exactly what teams want us to be doing.

The defense gave up three straight TD drives to start this game anyway. That's exactly what we needed to do to neutralize Henry.

I'm sure this is true. He just keeps pressing more.
This is not true. I've already seen screenshots and breakdowns of wide open receivers 10-15 yards down field in the direction he is looking. The RB in the flat with nobody near him for 20 yards. But, he continues to hunt the big play. This is part of the pressing. But, receivers are open just not 30-40 yards down the field.
If Mahomes had dropped back in the depth the tackles and the play expected, he wouldn't have been sacked or took 3 hits. The tape don't lie.

The tackles has pushed the defender around Mahomes. But, because Mahomes dropped back further than the plan, he ran right into where the tackles thought he'd be safe.

The only times I hear about Mahomes’ brother or Brittany are in these threads. If people think they are out there doing too much that’s really just your perception and probably means you need to stop paying attention to them. It’s remarkably easy to go years without hearing or seeing them and it’s ludicrous to think what they do on social media effects Mahomes.

I think he was instructed to stay in the pocket and I don't think he is comfortable with that at all. I think he is so used to throwing on the run. I hope they just let him play and sling the ****ing ball.

Had a couple of really shit games against the Bills and Titans. I have faith he'll turn it around but not soon enough to salvage the season.

The rookie wall will hit, the old dudes will roll in and forward! Experience, got some coming and going!

I think the O would benefit greatly by watching what a team like TB does with getting rid of the ball sooner.

It looks like they keep running these long developing, complicated routes, and Pat has to bail out and turn it into an And-1 style offense, just to keep from getting sacked. We just don't play to our strengths, and that falls on Andy and Eric.

The D, they just look uninspired. Chris Jones playing matador was when I turned off the game yesterday. Why ball out when you get the ball back to the offense and they choke or cough it up time after time. Our D is designed to play with a lead. They are supposed to be opportunistic, but they just don't have it when the team is behind on a consistent basis. And they have even less when they are half-assing it most of the game.

This is silly. Mahomes has been among the best in the pocket throughout his career.

That's the problem. Long developing routes are not a sustainable offense. Andy is going to get Mahomes killed with this crap that doesn't work anymore with our tackles.

Deep routes can produce a sustainable offense against certain defenses and when you have an offensive line that can pass protect consistently. The way defenses are playing the Chiefs, and with our mediocre/bad tackle play, we really should be trying for faster-developing routes. The short routes can be extremely tough to stop, even when defenses know it's coming. Just ask any team playing Tom Brady. I'm not saying Mahomes should completely abandon his greatest strength, just because defenses are playing him a certain way, but we've clearly got to try a different strategy at this point. His primary read is way too often 20-30 yards downfield.

He's just pressing, that's all. There are things open underneath, he just won't take them. He's trying to score 14 points every play.

it works with the guys we have, problem is we don't have enough variety in our offensive calls, nor do we really identify the weakness of the D and try to exploit it.

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Yesterday on one scramble he actually turn is head 90 degrees backwards to check and see if anyone was chasing him. I've never seen him do anything like that before (except one year against the Lions he did it to tell the officials there was a hold LOL) . Like many mentioned he used to have this uncanny 6th sense that made his spatial awareness just unreal, but now he has the yips so he's looking to avoid contact (and especially being blind-sided)

Hmm, yeah, that is an incredibly deep drop.

If the interior of the OL is supposed to be a strength, why not step up?

Maybe we should put him under center a bit more..? He can still take his 3-5 step drop, but it wouldn't put him 10 yards behind the LoS and in harm's way.

I've often said he should be under center more. But it makes it harder to do the RPO gig.

Yikes.

Early on, they should run the ball right at these DE's that want to crash upfield in anticipation of a deep drop. Mix in some quick-hitting throws with those running plays and our pass protectors will have a much easier job. I don't ever want to just give up on the deep and intermediate throws, but you've got to punish defenses when they lean too hard in one direction. The game plan yesterday very well could have been just that, but with the score getting out of hand so quickly, it never had a chance to materialize.

I think we need to run the ball more often. Reid backs away too fast. Especially if we have a run for little or no gain. A running game takes more than 7 hand offs a game to work. And teams know we are too stubborn to run the ball and check it down.

Perhaps Mahomes needs to focus a little more on football and maybe a little less on his outside endeavors? I say that in the context of him becoming massively wealthy in the last couple years, buying into the Royals, buying into Sporting KC, etc.

I get the endorsements and such but I kind of wonder if him an the girlfriend are kinda going Charlie Sheen in Major League 2 just a bit?

Pat Mahomes 3 years ago...

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Pat Mahomes this year:

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We don't have the luxury of being patient with the running game when opponents start marching down the field and scoring at will from the get go. And I can't imagine Reid is gameplanning with the assumption that's what is going to happen and I can't imagine it's possible even if he wanted to. So whatever the gameplan is, we are getting taken out of it right off the bat and start throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick and everything unravels from there.

Dude is starting to worry me a bit. He is missing easy reads, making bad passes and bad decisions.

**** the doubters

**** anyone who thinks something is wrong with Mahomes. Mother **** you




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He’s going through his first real rut. There are a lot of reasons that could be causing it, but I think we’re really seeing the comfort Schwartz and Fish gave him at the tackles. Seems like he’s inside his own head a bit, but as that last pass proved, Patrick is still there (the safer move would have been to throw it away) - and I have full confidence he’ll figure it out.

I wonder if Henne would have made that final play. LMAO

We've already seen him do similar before so maybe?

Yea, something ain't right. This isn't the same guy that played the last 3 seasons.

Mahomes is just in a slump. He will get right at some point and you all will be happy.

Absolutely not and it’s hilarious if people think so. No way Henne gets enough ass on that ball to avoid a pick.

He made the play that won us the game.

Something isn't right, but it won't be like this forever.

Might have run the ball more throughout the game with Henne in though.

Not saying Mahomes should be benched but the gameplan would have been completely ****ing different with Henne in there and who knows how the game plays out.

He's got a bit of a shiner.

I noticed that.


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starting? you mean today when you made this pussy ass post or a month ago when you started this shitty ass thread?

Let's see....20-37, 166 yrds, 1 td.

About a 50% completion rate, less than 200 yrds passing and 1 score.

Yea, just as good as the last three years.:rolleyes:

Andy is doing a HORRIBLE job of easing the pressure, honestly

They've talked their asses off for weeks about "yeah we see all that, and we'll adjust and work past it yada yada"... then come out tonight, and again hang Mahomes out to dry too often

Reid used to be the undisputed dink and screen game champ, its well past time he rediscovered that side of himself... instead of counting on Mahomes to prove his ego correct in the face of direct evidence to the contrary

You're right...Mahomes is tearing shit up and this thread is pointless...

Patrick knocked up Brittany again and is about to break off his engagement. He has a lot on his mind.

I agree that Reid is not helping.

We need to see more under center, more plays quickly getting guys open.

Stop making the 1st read deep when we knew what Green Bay would do with their coverages.

Get that ball out faster and get your QB going.

wit so you're "starting" to worry today when you made this vagina post?

Or you started to worry a month ago when you started this gimp ass shit?

you never clarified

It is just a combo of everything I believe. Defense is bad, so offense thinks they have to score every time. Offense and defense coordinators need to go. Beinemy needs gone. Andy coaches this teams too soft.

Patrick, hopefully is playing hurt. Because his short pass accuracy is bad. He flashed the one touch pass to Kelce today but hasn't for weeks. His deep ball passes are off normally.

There is something off on the team.
I still think we go 10 and 7, but I no longer think we will make a Superbowl game.

Hope I am wrong.

an above average day for Alex

how spoiled we all are

Andy just made a ton of excuses as to why this offense is broke. He knows a lot of it has to do with him. It's true.

Could have been a completely different game if his receivers weren't out there dropping crucial 3rd down passes all day.

And defensive backs?

The excuses are ****ing crazy.

“I saw Travis come open, but I just wanted to give it a chance,” Mahomes described of his deep attempt to wide receiver Mecole Hardman in the first half. “Even though their defenses are playing so deep, you still want to have a chance to take those shots; I missed a couple of them today. You just have to know when to take those and take the underneath, and that’s something I continue to have to get better at as the season goes on.”


That is just an absolutely nuts thing to admit. Also Kelce would have had a 20 to 30+ yard gain on that play. Why is he talking about it like it was a 4 yard check down? This is a terrible mentality to have. To pass up your most reliable pass catcher who's wide open to go to your worst pass catcher who's double covered isn't even something that should occur in his brain to do.

Yep. More or less confirming the narrative that he gets too impatient for long drives. He can’t make mistakes like that. The inverse of Alex passing up on open deep targets and just as costly.

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This team is painful to watch in almost every department

Not to me it isn't. Sure we got our struggles but they are battling back and this is a resilient team under Andy Reid. Go ahead bet against them each week if they are so painful to watch bet against them. They e battled and are battling diversity what they learned is nothing is given to them it has to be earned. The other 31 teams want to win too they all get paid to win football games.

At any given game this season Patrick can turn it on and put up 5 to 7 touchdowns I think in his career he will have a 8 TD game but you all act like there's something wrong with him. No mostly turning the ball over cost us some games but Patrick and this team are better than that. I'm still enjoying what it is gridiron and see what they are made of. They have room for improvement and that part is fun to watch.

This is a strange season right across the NFL, just look at the results. I understand PMII isnt playing well, but he has time to sort it out, at any moment it could click. The defense is slowly getting better and the turnovers are starting to go our way. We have some very winnable games coming up, if we can keep putting Ws on the board and improving then who knows what can happen. All throughout the history of the league teams have struggled the first half only to power home the second half and make a genuine playoff run.