Ozuna and Martinez will save Mo and Mathenys jobs

To be fair, Mo went out and got Ozuna. They fell ass over ankles into Jose.

And I still believe that Mo won that lopsided trade for Ozuna.

So far, it looks like we are getting 2017 Ozuna, not the 2015 version. If that holds all year.... that trade may be his best?

Anyone in the STL area want two tickets to the game today? We got cheap-o seats and decided to eat em. We are both hung over and ready to gtfo of town.

Got til 11 :)

Which would suck about about Matheny.

I think Mo has not been too good lately but he has made some good trades in the past and so far, this off season trades look like wins.

I'm not backing Mo just saying there is a huge anger and frustration gap between him and Matheny. Matheny is already using the same pitchers in every game. Mayers looked good in a relief role this spring. Why not bring him in to see if it translates to the regular season? We have been up 4 runs and looked like we were cruising in the 6th inning in several games and went to the same pitchers.

He gets no credit from me for using a rookie that throws a 100mph two seamer with movement consistently for a strike. Thats about as big of a no-brainer as no-brainers get. He's probably going to overuse the kids talent and **** him up.

Overall, I'd be in favor of going .500 for the year if it got rid of Matheny but I think Dewitt loves him way too much for Matheny to be fired. I think the only way we get rid of Matheny is to have him get caught doing something un-christian. Affair with a porn star. Gay sex in a bathroom etc.

Our only hope is that Matheny doesn't screw up, get in the way of our potential championship window thats opening up next season..

Why is there a supposed championship window opening next season?

Young cost controlled quality pitching.

Martinez
Reyes
Weaver
Flaherty
Hudson
Hicks

And there are several other pitching prospects in the minors projecting to the major leagues in the next 2-4 years.

It's not just me saying this.

Love what the Cards have with these guys. Hicks is the guy I’d trade for right now.

Wtf happened? Yadi tried to fight the Dbacks manager?

Guessing he was talking shit about yadis pi Ch framing or something

Every catcher frames pitches. Gmafb

You don’t make false accusations about Yadi’s catching ability. That will get your neck snapped.

That should get Molina long suspension for swinging at an opposing manager and striking an ump.

Manager supposedly called Molina a mother****er. Definitely an over reaction but don’t call someone a mother****er and not expect some backlash.

If someone I probably do not know is referring to me as a mother****er I’d be in their face asking if they have an issue.

yeah he says something like “that mother****er is pulling up the pitches into the strike zone” l could see that setting Molina off.

If you are not framing and pulling pitches into the strike zone you are not even going to make it into professional baseball. That’s a baseline skill. I don’t know why the manager would bring that up. It’s not cheating.

But, you can’t touch the umpire. Even if you have no beef with the umpire, no history of issues, you can’t touch the ump. That’s true in all sports. These are athletes in their prime, you can’t have them pushing around umpires even if it’s inadvertent. He should have been ejected. I bet the league suspends him for a game soon.

and today he brings out Bowman again. And Leone again. Both are already overworked recently and cost us the game. Why carry all these relievers if your only going to use the same 3-4 at every opportunity? Matheny has to be forced change.

Matheny is such a joke. This team has talent, no question

This is what people who don’t follow the team everyday don’t understand. Exactly why there is so much negativity in this thread.

and Flaherty throws a 7 innings/1ER/11 strikeouts outing in Memphis. Be nice to have that production in St. Louis.:rolleyes:

2nd balk in 3 games.

Wtf

These guys all need to get their eyes checked.

I have no idea how Mabry still has a ****ing job.

And since that post ^ they have struck out 6 times in a row. :cuss:

Martinez is hurt....

Pham is proving why he didn't get big $$.

Holland has packed on the pounds as a Red Bird

Apparently he is trying to walk off those pounds.

Holland seems like he will fit in just right in our bullpen

:banghead:

Why do you intentionally walk the bases loaded with a guy that can’t throw strikes? If you are going to do that bring in Norris.

FU Matheny.

Un****ing believable.

POS idiot ****ing manager. I’m sick of this shit. He should have been allowed to pitch with a base open but when it was loaded the switch needed to be made.

Promote Oquendo and fire that sack of shit.

Another pathetic ridiculous loss we should have won but cant get the hit they need or the pitching they need late.

Just like last year, and the year before, and the year before.

Another Matheny loss.

How about not leaving a guy in to pitch bases loaded when he’s clearly rusty. Kind of reminds me when he brought Wacha in to pitch game 5 NLCS.

Only 70 more losses to go!

One of the luckiest bastards in baseball history to inherit that Tony LaRussa team. He is a complete fraud without elite talent.

they guy missed spring training and pitched 2 innings of “A” ball. You then throw him out there in the freezing cold. That’s a steep hill to climb.

Hicks is the only consistent pitcher in the pen. Matheny is going to overuse him and **** him up. :shake:

Yeah I don’t mind trying to use Holland there but after the first 2 walks it was clear he wasn’t ready. The intentional walk was technically the right call in that spot but you have to bring in Norris in that spot.

I wouldn’t mind seeing what kind of return the Cards could get for Marp later in the season if they are still floating around .500 or worse. His defense is horrible and he’s an absolute headcase with the whole can’t hit anything other than leadoff.

Pham is absolutely terrible for a two hitter and Carp can only hit leadoff. Mo definitely deserves heat too.

Difficult to hit in the cold!!! **** these homer pieces of shit, Milwaukee is playing in the same weather.

they just need to bat Carp at leadoff. The overwhelming statistics don’t lie. If we want some production, he has to go there.

Molina gets one game suspension. He still appeals. Why? We all saw you push an umpire. You have to keep your hands off umpires.

He deserved more than a game

Figured it may be a union thing to always challenge or maybe trying to control the timing some by deferring it.

Appeal, then drop when you're scheduled for a day off.

No hitter alert

My phone must be a little slow... now they have 2 hits.

Word. From Benfred


Zero

Remember spring training, when signs of new pitching coach Mike Maddux were plentiful? What happened? Perhaps this is a side effect of watching Greg Holland remain on the mound for spiked pitch after sailed pitch until a game was soured due to the closer's lack of control and the manager's lack of a hook, but I can think of zero tangible signs (so far) of Maddux intervening to stop manager Mike Matheny's most-confusing bullpen decisions.

A roster spot is still being spent on a pitcher who, for the most part, doesn't pitch. Matt Bowman continues to get called to the mound at an eyebrow-raising rate. And what was up with leaving Holland out there Monday night when he clearly did not have his stuff? The hope with Maddux was that problems would be predicted and avoided, not reacted to once they occurred. So far, it doesn't seem much has changed.

I, for one, am completely shocked. I thought that keeping John Mabry around was a sure sign that things were changing.

Watching Carpenter cut it up with Braun at first base tells me how much of a ****ing turd Carpenter is.

My Facebook memory for me today was me bitching 1 year ago about the defense, the middle relief, and the lack of clutch hitting and how it was a replay of 2016.

Same shit different year yet again with 1 common denominator.

Tied it up lulz

they haven’t had the clutch hits but I’ve seen a lot more fight and enthusiasm late in games out of this team. It’s still early but maybe what the hell, it may be different this year.

Carp with the walk off home run.

Must have brainwashed him into thinking he lead off the game

Good call.

Yea that HR changes everything about his .156avg.

Maddux is a clear upgrade over that fat bastard Lilliquist, but he can't force Matheny not to be stupid.

Also I suppose you missed where he tried to bunt 2 pitches earlier. LMAO

And Dansby Swanson is a better hitter than Machado right now by your dumbass logic. Go back to the Trumpistan subforum, ****tard

Don't you bad mouth Dansby ****in Swanson!

I am editing this post as I keep telling myself I am not going to let other people make me cranky regardless of their motives. I don't really care what your opinion of me is anyway.

Feel free to disagree with me Hamas, just realize my dislike for Carpenter isn't unique nor is it outlandish. Feel free to give him your upmost love and support.

I'm not sure using BA is a great indicator in this day and age of baseball.

Watching the game now on Facebook watch. Multicasting to my big screen TV. Picture and sound are great. No difference between the normal Cards broadcast in pic or sound quality. Broadcasters seem better than our usual lame ass announcers.

Not by itself. But sub .200 is sub .200.

put him in the leadoff spot and he’ll hit .300.:)

Small sample size

no, Carp is not a sub .200 hitter. But, it’s not a small sample size to know for whatever reason, he is a way better hitter in the leadoff spot.

Wouldn't you think with Ozuna hitting behind him he would get pretty much the same pitches he gets at lead off?

Its such an oddity that he hits so much better at lead off.

there is no explanation for it other than it’s all in his head. And he can’t change it in his mind. Which he should be able to. It is what it is at this point.

You may find this interesting. The claim is its not that Carp is better at lead off its just that he is streaky as hell.

http://redbirddaily.com/cardinals-en...-streaky-6803/

we have seen it with our own eyes for YEARS. That’s not a “streak”. There is no baseball reason or explanation.

I am not disagreeing, it makes no sense.

Cards are on a 1-22 with RISP streak. Ouch.

Can't hit.

Gonna be a long season of watching Wong hit 8 homers and Carp flounder.

Meh.

When the ghost of Adam Wainwright gives up 3 runs in 5+ you need to find a way to win that.

It's official: these guys suck.