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O.city 04-26-2017 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12840093)
Because you are a dentist and hate joy.

You thrive on the misery of others. It pays for your beach houses and your convertibles.

Even when you don't realize it, it's what fuels you - the pain and suffering of others.

So of course you love this plan.

I'm offended

O.city 04-26-2017 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12840106)
If I didn't like you a little bit, I'd punch you in the throat then curb stomp your teeth out and send you to O.City.

I have a strich policy against that

Quesadilla Joe 04-27-2017 08:38 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Criticize his game all you want but DeShone Kizer is an impressive young man. Reminds me of Matt Ryan way he handles himself. So impressive.</p>&mdash; Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/857597936720642049">April 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No one asked him to do it but yesterday he organized a 3-on-3 football game with the kids at Shriners Hospital. <a href="https://t.co/l45ftkgHcV">https://t.co/l45ftkgHcV</a></p>&mdash; Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/857598194435358720">April 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Beef Supreme 04-27-2017 08:46 AM

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The Franchise 04-27-2017 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12841579)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Criticize his game all you want but DeShone Kizer is an impressive young man. Reminds me of Matt Ryan way he handles himself. So impressive.</p>&mdash; Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/857597936720642049">April 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No one asked him to do it but yesterday he organized a 3-on-3 football game with the kids at Shriners Hospital. <a href="https://t.co/l45ftkgHcV">https://t.co/l45ftkgHcV</a></p>&mdash; Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/857598194435358720">April 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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He's only doing it because he's a diva. /idiots.

Frosty 04-27-2017 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12841579)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Criticize his game all you want but DeShone Kizer is an impressive young man. Reminds me of Matt Ryan way he handles himself. So impressive.</p>&mdash; Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/857597936720642049">April 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No one asked him to do it but yesterday he organized a 3-on-3 football game with the kids at Shriners Hospital. <a href="https://t.co/l45ftkgHcV">https://t.co/l45ftkgHcV</a></p>&mdash; Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/857598194435358720">April 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12841587)
He's only doing it because he's a diva. /idiots.

It's like a Pestilence Batsignal.

Quesadilla Joe 04-27-2017 10:34 AM

Some Trubisky rumors from Eric Galko...

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If Trubisky does not go first overall, he likely will end up being drafted by the Buffalo Bills. I’ve reported their substantial interest since February. Those in the building in Buffalo have believed he’d be their pick. Even people who’ve spoken with Trubisky himself believed he’d be a Buffalo Bill. The one caveat: Jets GM Mike Maccagnan doesn’t want to take Trubisky but might feel he has to if he’s still on the board.

— Last note on Trubisky: The Washington Redskins have him graded as a top-10 talent in this class, one of just a few top-10 grades they have on prospects, and teams don’t throw those out often. If Washington has Trubisky graded so high and he’s available when San Francisco is on the clock, would the Redskins trade Kirk Cousins for the No. 2 pick?

Players who may not have first-round slots but should be guys teams consider moving up for: quarterbacks Deshaun Watson and DeShone Kizer (NOT Davis Webb), receivers John Ross and Corey Davis, linebacker Tyus Bowser and cornerback Tre’Davious White.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news...s1met4algvpiw9

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 10:45 AM

Why the hell would the 49ers trade the #2 pick for Kirk Cousins?

That's way too much to give up for the privilege of paying a slightly above average quarterback $24 million/season for his age 29+ seasons. Shit, the 49ers wouldn't be smart to give him that contract in free agency and giving up the #2 overall pick to do so would just be goddamn reeruned.

But then again....duh. That's not going to happen.

Quesadilla Joe 04-27-2017 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12841815)
Why the hell would the 49ers trade the #2 pick for Kirk Cousins?

That's way too much to give up for the privilege of paying a slightly above average quarterback $24 million/season for his age 29+ seasons. Shit, the 49ers wouldn't be smart to give him that contract in free agency and giving up the #2 overall pick to do so would just be goddamn reeruned.

But then again....duh. That's not going to happen.

The 49ers have loads of cap space and Kyle supposedly loves Kirk Cousins. If they don't like any of the QB's in this draft, Cousins would make some sense. Maybe they could swap first and second round picks or something...

ToxSocks 04-27-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 12841586)

LMAO LMAO LMAO

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12841829)
The 49ers have loads of cap space and Kyle supposedly loves Kirk Cousins. If they don't like any of the QB's in this draft, Cousins would make some sense. Maybe they could swap first and second round picks or something...

No he wouldn't.

It would not make any sense at all to give up the #2 overall pick for a pending FA quarterback entering his age 29 season unless said quarterback is a bonafide superstar or the player that will push you over the top.

Not a single part of that is true. No, it would make zero sense. Especially when Cousins will be just good enough to win 6 games and put them on the 5 year quarterback carousel that ensures they never get a shot at a genuine superstar QB in the draft.

Cousins is the absolute worst thing they could do. They need to draft defense with that pick, continue to build with the expectation of being terrible again in '17 and then take their QB in the '18 draft.

Chiefnj2 04-27-2017 11:07 AM

All these teams trying to bait Cleveland into moving up from 12 for Trubisky.

Quesadilla Joe 04-27-2017 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12841840)
No he wouldn't.

It would not make any sense at all to give up the #2 overall pick for a pending FA quarterback entering his age 29 season unless said quarterback is a bonafide superstar or the player that will push you over the top.

Not a single part of that is true. No, it would make zero sense. Especially when Cousins will be just good enough to win 6 games and put them on the 5 year quarterback carousel that ensures they never get a shot at a genuine superstar QB in the draft.

Cousins is the absolute worst thing they could do. They need to draft defense with that pick, continue to build with the expectation of being terrible again in '17 and then take their QB in the '18 draft.

Pocket passers typically don't peak until they're in their mid 30's, I don't see Cousins' age as an issue. If Shanny Jr. loves him as much as has been portrayed I could see him being pretty happy with getting the best 10 years of Cousins' career.

I wouldn't want Denver to do it, and I know that KC is sick and tired of trading for other teams QB's, but I could understand why the 49ers would want to do it.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12841861)
Pocket passers typically don't peak until they're in their mid 30's, I don't see Cousins' age as an issue. If Shanny Jr. loves him as much as has been portrayed I could see him being pretty happy with getting the best 10 years of Cousins' career.

I wouldn't want Denver to do it, and I know that KC is sick and tired of trading for other teams QB's, but I could understand why the 49ers would want to do it.

Jesus...it's bad enough having to have this argument with idiot Smith fans, we have to have this argument with opposing fans as well?

No they don't. Truly great, HoF caliber passers often don't age that much as they enter their mid-30s and they've developed superstar bonafides so you come to appreciate them more in their mid-30s, but no, they weren't better than they were in their late 20s. And for the vast VAST majority of pocket passers, they're simply out of the league altogether by their mid-30s because the skills are gone.

You're using an awful sample size of passers that made it to their mid 30s as starters precisely because they were already great quarterbacks. That is not a representative sample of passers nor is it any kind of proxy for Kirk Cousins.

Cousins has maybe 2 more prime seasons in him and by 32 he'll be on his way out of the league, IMO. He'll hang on for another couple of years after that and by 35 he'll just be gone altogether. He will not be peaking 7 years from now.

Quesadilla Joe 05-03-2017 10:00 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On Paper, Alex Smith should feel insecure with Mahomes arrival. But Mahomes will most likely take AT LEAST 2 yrs.</p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/859782853894295552">May 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid will have to utterly overhaul Mahomes’s game if he wants him to run his offense.</p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/859789898261250049">May 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid offense built on disciplined coverage reads. That was not at all how Mahomes played at Texas Tech.</p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/859794934865514499">May 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My guess is Reid believes Mahomes will be his starter on opening day of 2019. A lot to rewire in the rookie first.</p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/859800226172948481">May 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Pasta Little Brioni 05-03-2017 10:15 AM

You are a scared, pussy knowmo

DJ's left nut 05-03-2017 10:52 AM

People have been mis-stating 'What Andy Reid looks for in his quarterbacks' for years. Andy Reid has had ONE rote, robotic quarterback under center for him in a 20 year career. One. Alex Smith.

Meanwhile he's had his greatest successes with aggressive, improvisational passers who can take the bedrock principles of his offense, use them when they're available and pull something from the fire when they're not.

I absolutely believe that he came to KC and wanted someone that would just do what's on the paper because he came into a franchise in turmoil and lets be honest, Reid's last couple of years in Philly weren't exactly sterling. He wanted to make sure he still had it and the way to do that was work with a steady variable under center.

He has the franchise back on track and he has his confidence back. He knows that this hard-wired, by the letters quarterbacking isn't going to work anymore in an NFL where defenses can only succeed by creating a maelstrom of shit for the QB to wade through. You can't blow guys up over the middle to dislodge the ball anymore. You can't rough up WRs in their routes (or even touch them, really). So you have to just create havoc and Smith was simply not handling that havoc well.

Reid saw it. He knew it. He's a 59 year old man that didn't spent the next 2 first rounders on a guy that's not going to do anything to help this team until he's gumming his dinners. Because if Mahomes sits for 2, he still needs the 3rd year of live fire before you know anything. You think Andy Reid gave up 2 picks so he could have a guy ready to rock in ****ing 2020?

What a bunch of idiocy. I think Andy Reid drafted Mahomes with the belief that there's a chance, albeit small, that Mahomes starts THIS YEAR. Not on day 1, but by week 17.

staylor26 05-03-2017 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12856045)
People have been mis-stating 'What Andy Reid looks for in his quarterbacks' for years. Andy Reid has had ONE rote, robotic quarterback under center for him in a 20 year career. One. Alex Smith.

Meanwhile he's had his greatest successes with aggressive, improvisational passers who can take the bedrock principles of his offense, use them when they're available and pull something from the fire when they're not.

I absolutely believe that he came to KC and wanted someone that would just do what's on the paper because he came into a franchise in turmoil and lets be honest, Reid's last couple of years in Philly weren't exactly sterling. He wanted to make sure he still had it and the way to do that was work with a steady variable under center.

He has the franchise back on track and he has his confidence back. He knows that this hard-wired, by the letters quarterbacking isn't going to work anymore in an NFL where defenses can only succeed by creating a maelstrom of shit for the QB to wade through. You can't blow guys up over the middle to dislodge the ball anymore. You can't rough up WRs in their routes (or even touch them, really). So you have to just create havoc and Smith was simply not handling that havoc well.

Reid saw it. He knew it. He's a 59 year old man that didn't spent the next 2 first rounders on a guy that's not going to do anything to help this team he's gumming his dinners. Because if Mahomes sits for 2, he still needs the 3rd year of live fire before you know anything. You think Andy Reid made gave up 2 picks so he could have a guy ready to rock in ****ing 2020?

What a bunch of idiocy. I think Andy Reid drafted Mahomes with the belief that there's a chance, albeit small, that Mahomes starts THIS YEAR. Not on day 1, but by week 17.

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Coogs 05-03-2017 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12856045)
People have been mis-stating 'What Andy Reid looks for in his quarterbacks' for years. Andy Reid has had ONE rote, robotic quarterback under center for him in a 20 year career. One. Alex Smith.

Meanwhile he's had his greatest successes with aggressive, improvisational passers who can take the bedrock principles of his offense, use them when they're available and pull something from the fire when they're not.

I absolutely believe that he came to KC and wanted someone that would just do what's on the paper because he came into a franchise in turmoil and lets be honest, Reid's last couple of years in Philly weren't exactly sterling. He wanted to make sure he still had it and the way to do that was work with a steady variable under center.

He has the franchise back on track and he has his confidence back. He knows that this hard-wired, by the letters quarterbacking isn't going to work anymore in an NFL where defenses can only succeed by creating a maelstrom of shit for the QB to wade through. You can't blow guys up over the middle to dislodge the ball anymore. You can't rough up WRs in their routes (or even touch them, really). So you have to just create havoc and Smith was simply not handling that havoc well.

Reid saw it. He knew it. He's a 59 year old man that didn't spent the next 2 first rounders on a guy that's not going to do anything to help this team until he's gumming his dinners. Because if Mahomes sits for 2, he still needs the 3rd year of live fire before you know anything. You think Andy Reid made gave up 2 picks so he could have a guy ready to rock in ****ing 2020?

What a bunch of idiocy. I think Andy Reid drafted Mahomes with the belief that there's a chance, albeit small, that Mahomes starts THIS YEAR. Not on day 1, but by week 17.

Agree totally!

RunKC 05-03-2017 11:27 AM

Agree wholeheartedly DJ. I think they immediately get Andy, Nagy, Chilly and Kafka around this kid at all times starting this weekend.
Get the playbook down and work on the mechanics non-stop all the time, every minute of every practice.

I'm completely fine with him playing by Thanksgiving or later IF he shows he's ready in preseason. I would prefer to not play him this year, but if he's lighting it up in camp and preseason? Woo boy

Quesadilla Joe 05-03-2017 11:29 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the Favre, Mahomes comparisons, remember: only guy in history who thrived playing to degree of gunslinger as Favre played is….Favre.</p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/859806008482426884">May 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of Favre’s former coaches on the QB’s football IQ: he could do calculus but he couldn’t add or subtract.</p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/859811045807935490">May 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Pasta Little Brioni 05-03-2017 11:38 AM

Who the **** is Andy Benoit??? Trolling turd. You are scared shitless of Mahomes/Reid.

Quesadilla Joe 05-04-2017 06:30 AM

From Albert Breer...

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4. Patrick Mahomes landed in the perfect spot. How long will it be before Mahomes sees the field in Kansas City? Here’s how one Chiefs staffer explained it to me—they won’t think about it until he’s going to the line of scrimmage looking at what the defense is doing rather than thinking about what the offense is doing. In other words, he has to understand the playbook well enough to not just know but understand the ins and outs of all the plays, to point where he gets how to attack whatever defense is being thrown at him. And based on Mahomes’ background, it’ll probably be more than a year before he gets there.

Of course, there are reasons why they drafted him in the first place. Once the Chiefs flipped on the Mahomes tape, they had trouble turning it off. It was unconventional. It was mesmerizing. It didn’t translate that well to the NFL on surface. But what caught the eye of the Chiefs coaches was the way he improved on a week-to-week basis, slowly looking more and more natural, and less mechanical, running Kliff Kingsbury’s offense. Then they got him in the building, and love his unscripted, authentic way. And the truth is that Mahomes should be reciprocating that love to the Chiefs for drafting him. He gets to sit and learn this year—working on tying his footwork to the offense’s routes and learning the system—without the Chiefs having much pressure to play him. Then, they can come back and reassess next spring.

Will Kansas City stick to the plan to redshirt? History says most teams don’t. But Andy Reid’s job security added to Alex Smith’s presence says that, at least on the surface of it, this situation might be different.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/04/d...draft-notebook

Quesadilla Joe 05-04-2017 06:34 AM

Also from Breer, about the 2018 QB class...

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We’ve been over how forcing a quarterback investment in the wrong year can be catastrophic for a franchise. And several teams seem to be listening.

Why? I’d love to say it’s because they read it here. The truth is, this year it’s easier, because next year’s quarterback class figures to be much better. Maybe Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson wind up making it. The consensus in league circles is that USC’s Sam Darnold, UCLA’s Josh Rosen and Wyoming’s Josh Allen have a significantly better chance too.

So the Niners and Browns and Jets may well look pretty sharp in 12 months time.

“I think all three (this year) are bottom 10 starters, maybe Mahomes with his upside creeps in to the bottom 15,” said one AFC college scouting director. “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication, to work through. And the Wyoming kid is a big, talented player. It’s a good group. It should be much better than this group.”

The Niners, by the way, took Iowa’s C.J. Beathard in the third round, the Browns took DeShone Kizer in the second round, and the Jets punted on the ’17 class all together. So each team left its quarterback options open, and in addition to the college kids, Jimmy Garoppolo and Kirk Cousins could be available.

Put it together, and we’ll all be over-analyzing how Rosen, Darnold and Allen perform in 2017 (should they all declare). Should we just go ahead and start now? Let’s do it! Here’s a second executive, this from another AFC team, to break down quickly the holes in the résumés of Rosen, Darnold and Allen.

• Allen: “I’ve heard all good things. And from what I’ve seen, the raw tools are all there, but he needs to develop his accuracy and his toughness. The size and arm talent are outstanding.”

• Darnold: “The USC kid, the makeup, the intangibles, the intelligence, everything is there. He’s the most accurate of the group. He’s probably the least physically talented (of the three), but he’s the guy you’d pick to play a game right now if you had to. He does have a little bit of a windup.”

• Rosen: “He’s the one I know the best—he’s got size, athletic tools, velocity. He’s just a mess off the field and he’s coming off the injury. He needs to grow up, but the talent is off the charts.”

As for how this group stacks up to the one just drafted into the NFL, our exec said, “I like Trubisky best, and I think they have a chance to be better than Trubisky was coming out. This was not a good year (at QB).”

And if next year is what we’re expecting, sitting this one out figures to make a handful of teams prescient in their restraint.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/04/d...draft-notebook

Pasta Little Brioni 05-04-2017 06:36 AM

Two paragraphs of pure shit. You are desperate knowmo. No QB needs two ****ing years to get ready to play...unless they suck ass *cough* Paxston Lynch *cough*

DJ's left nut 05-04-2017 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12857383)
“I think all three (this year) are bottom 10 starters, maybe Mahomes with his upside creeps in to the bottom 15,” said one AFC college scouting director. “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication, to work through. And the Wyoming kid is a big, talented player. It’s a good group. It should be much better than this group.”

Darnold is the cream of that class and something that this class didn't have - a high-ceiling starter with a long track record from an NFL style offense. He's the only thing that sets that class apart from this one.

Rosen's reports read EXACTLY like Kizer's from the same time a year prior. All sorts of ability but can't get it all to come together. Attitude and work ethic questions, etc...

Mahomes and Allen are the same damn guy but with Allen you add some level of competition questions. When the draft rolls around, you're going to hear the same things about Allens arm talent but rough edges that you hear about Mahomes. Baker Mayfield has a lot of similar traits to Trubisky though admittedly more experience. Mason Rudolph is going to end up getting picked apart a lot like Davis Webb.

The 2018 class is extremely similar to this class but with a true #1 overall prospect at the top of it with Darnold. There's no Deshaun Watson type; great college resume with questionable translation kind of player but a lot of teams really like Watson.

The weakness of this class has been wildly overstated as has the strength of next year's class.

RunKC 05-04-2017 09:19 AM

Josh Allen is as much of a project as Mahomes, if not more.

He threw 15 picks against bad competition. Big red flag

Coogs 05-04-2017 09:41 AM

There is a play on Grudens QB Camp where Gruden is going through his RCE bit with Mahomes. Mahomes recognizes the defense, communicates to his offense, and executes the play perfectly. Gruden gives Mahomes high praise.

Sure, Mahomes has more to learn. But this is not like he is some junior high QB trying to go directly to the NFL as some would have you try and believe.

The Franchise 05-04-2017 09:45 AM

The biggest thing that Mahomes will have to get used to is knowing that his defense isn't complete shit. It's ****ing awesome to know that if we are down by 14 points....we have a legitimate ****ing shot of our QB bringing us back from it.

DJ's left nut 05-04-2017 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12857550)
Josh Allen is as much of a project as Mahomes, if not more.

He threw 15 picks against bad competition. Big red flag

He is, for sure.

And I love Josh Allen, but I'm a fan for the same reasons I loved Mahomes as a prospect. The arm talent just oozes out of the guy and I think we have a staff that could round him into shape.

But the teams that wanted Mahomes this year will want Allen next year and we'll find ourselves in the same boat only a year further down the road with no greater chance at success (and in the interim, who the hell knows if Allen won't implode).

It's just asinine to cite Josh Allen as a reason that next year's class is set apart from this one when in fact, he's a dead ringer for Mahomes.

TambaBerry 05-04-2017 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12857592)
The biggest thing that Mahomes will have to get used to is knowing that his defense isn't complete shit. It's ****ing awesome to know that if we are down by 14 points....we have a legitimate ****ing shot of our QB bringing us back from it.

This is the thing that drives me the most nuts. When you're down by two scores and our offense or qb is still throwing those short passes. Take some ****ing shots down the field for ****s sake. Let your receivers or your big ****ing athletic tight end make a play. I couldn't care less if the pass is intercepted, we're likely losing anyways but maybe just maybe we make a big play and get back into the game. The same thing during the two minute offense. We throw so many short passes to the flat or in the middle of the field that take so much time off the clock

Frosty 05-04-2017 12:38 PM

What really gripes me is throwing short on 3rd and long (or running a draw play). Once in a blue moon, it works but generally it leads to a punt. In today's NFL, you have fairly decent chance of an illegal contact or PI call if it's not complete, so why not throw it past the sticks? And then to add insult to injury, after the five yard pass on 3rd and 15, the punt team will come out and take an intentional delay of game penalty to give Colquitt more room. :facepalm:

I'm thinking Mahomes won't settle for dump offs very often on 3rd and longs.

kccrow 05-04-2017 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12857545)
Darnold is the cream of that class and something that this class didn't have - a high-ceiling starter with a long track record from an NFL style offense. He's the only thing that sets that class apart from this one.

Rosen's reports read EXACTLY like Kizer's from the same time a year prior. All sorts of ability but can't get it all to come together. Attitude and work ethic questions, etc...

Mahomes and Allen are the same damn guy but with Allen you add some level of competition questions. When the draft rolls around, you're going to hear the same things about Allens arm talent but rough edges that you hear about Mahomes. Baker Mayfield has a lot of similar traits to Trubisky though admittedly more experience. Mason Rudolph is going to end up getting picked apart a lot like Davis Webb.

The 2018 class is extremely similar to this class but with a true #1 overall prospect at the top of it with Darnold. There's no Deshaun Watson type; great college resume with questionable translation kind of player but a lot of teams really like Watson.

The weakness of this class has been wildly overstated as has the strength of next year's class.

Agree, except I doubt Darnold comes out. He's going to be a Redshirt Sophomore. Sure, he can declare but I can't recall one coming out before their Junior season. I'm sure there might be one or two, but I doubt they were any good.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-04-2017 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12858028)
Agree, except I doubt Darnold comes out. He's going to be a Redshirt Sophomore. Sure, he can declare but I can't recall one coming out before their Junior season. I'm sure there might be one or two, but I doubt they were any good.

Sad Bradford?

kccrow 05-05-2017 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12858088)
Sad Bradford?

Nope. Redshirted in 2006 and then played 3 years. He declared as a redshirt Junior.

KChiefs1 05-05-2017 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Bob (Post 12726437)
This is a really nice breakdown of Mahomes.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com...le-edged-sword


Good read




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KChiefs1 05-05-2017 07:01 AM

2. Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech

Games Played: 30 | Passer Efficiency Rating: 157.0 | AY/A: 9.2

Top Statistical Comp: Steve McNair

If we were judging this based just on collegiate efficiency, then Patrick Mahomes would hold the top spot. He had the best AY/A in the class, and his passer efficiency rating was second by a hair. With the discrepancy between Kaaya and Mahomes in games played, though, Mahomes slides down to a respectable second.

Mahomes took big strides between his 2015 sophomore season and last year in limiting interceptions, something that helped vault him to the top of this list. He threw 15 picks as a sophomore, leading the Big 12, but he cut that to 10 this year despite adding 18 more total attempts. When you couple that with a gaudy 41 touchdowns, it's easy to see how his AY/A got so meaty.

This isn't to say he cowers over previous first-round picks, though. Going back to our group of 60 candidates, Mahomes ranks 26th in AY/A and 29th in passer efficiency rating. This is all while starting for just two-plus seasons, limiting him to 30 games played. Even the elite in this class bring some serious questions.

Whenever Mahomes' name is brought up this draft season, you can bet someone will make mention of his playing in the Big 12. This isn't a conference known for stellar defense, potentially tainting his efficiency stats. Looking back at how past Big 12 first-round picks have fared likely won't help his case.

Since 1995, there have been seven quarterbacks from the Big 12 drafted in the first round. Here's a look at how they've fared in the NFL through the eyes of NEP, again focusing on top-15 seasons in years in which they had at least 200 drop backs.

Quarterback School Top-15 NEP Seasons Qualified Seasons

Robert Griffin III Baylor 1 3
Sam Bradford Oklahoma 1 6
Vince Young Texas 1 3
Brandon Weeden Oklahoma State 0 2
Josh Freeman Kansas State 1 4
Ryan Tannehill Texas A&M 1 5
Blaine Gabbert Missouri 0 3

In 26 qualified seasons, former Big 12 quarterbacks have finished in the top 15 in Total NEP just five times. Sam Bradford didn't get his first top-15 finish until this year. You can bet Mahomes is going to hear about this, whether it's fair or not.

Perhaps it's fitting, then, that Mahomes' top comp is the late Steve McNair, who played his college ball at Alcorn State, which was -- at the time -- Division I-AA. His stats there weren't anything otherworldly, either, and he and Mahomes line up well across the board.

Quarterback Games Pass. Eff. Rat. AY/A

Steve McNair: 33 155.4 9.0
Patrick Mahomes: 30 157.0 9.2

McNair was a tremendous NFL player despite putting up just decent stats against lower-level competition in college; it's probably not right to write off Mahomes simply because he played in an offensive-minded conference.

Mahomes is similar to Kaaya in that he's not likely to cost a team a first-round pick. That makes any warts and worries he may present less frightening. He showed some reasons for excitement when he was at Texas Tech, and it would seem fully justifiable to target him at some point beyond the first round.


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ToxSocks 05-05-2017 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12856045)
I think Andy Reid drafted Mahomes with the belief that there's a chance, albeit small, that Mahomes starts THIS YEAR. Not on day 1, but by week 17.

I've been wanting to state this as well.

When you listen to the way Reid talks about Mahomes, it sounds like he thinks he could start THIS year. He certainly doesn't rule it out.

The Franchise 05-05-2017 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12859123)
I've been wanting to state this as well.

When you listen to the way Reid talks about Mahomes, it sounds like he thinks he could start THIS year. He certainly doesn't rule it out.

Nobody can sit there and tell me that Mahomes can't do some of the things that Smith is doing right now. Yeah you'd probably get a few more INTs....but guarantee that you'd get more TDs out of it. And I don't think we're going to be cruising to a 12-4 record this year like we did last year. We're going to be fighting for a playoff spot this season. And I think that if Smith isn't cutting it later in the year.....Reid would have no problem sitting his ass for Mahomes (if Mahomes is at least somewhat ready).

Quesadilla Joe 05-05-2017 01:18 PM

Albert Breer spends the first 5 minutes talking about this years QB class. He then interviews Daniel Jeremiah starting at the 30 minute mark and they start talking about the QB's at the 35:20 mark...

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RunKC 05-05-2017 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12859360)
Albert Breer spends the first 5 minutes talking about this years QB class. He then interviews Daniel Jeremiah starting at the 30 minute mark and they start talking about the QB's at the 35:20 mark...

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He's knocking the Chiefs for trading up and not waiting for next year?

What a moron.

Quesadilla Joe 05-05-2017 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12859385)
He's knocking the Chiefs for trading up and not waiting for next year?

What a moron.

DJ had some nicer things to say though...

Quesadilla Joe 05-08-2017 08:55 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It&#39;s typical of most rookies, they have no idea how complicated pro football Mahomes: &quot;Chiefs&#39; playbook &#39;a lot harder than I thought&#39;</p>&mdash; Michael Lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/861576995112534016">May 8, 2017</a></blockquote>
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staylor26 05-08-2017 09:51 AM

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It&#39;s typical of most rookies, they have no idea how complicated pro football Mahomes: &quot;Chiefs&#39; playbook &#39;a lot harder than I thought&#39;</p>&mdash; Michael Lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/861576995112534016">May 8, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Good thing we don't have to worry about our young QB's work ethic, unlike your own!

:)

Quesadilla Joe 05-08-2017 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12862492)
Good thing we don't have to worry about our young QB's work ethic, unlike your own!

:)

Paxton doesn't have a work ethic problem...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Play on field is what matters but for what it&#39;s worth: Talked to Bronco player who said &quot;Paxton has been first one in meetings.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/9sports?src=hash">#9sports</a></p>&mdash; Mike Klis (@MikeKlis) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/854341365743853568">April 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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:)

I also think Paxton is more receptive to coaching than Pat Mahomes. Mahomes has an "I do it my way" kind of vibe to him.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-08-2017 10:13 AM

You're a moron though

O.city 05-08-2017 10:24 AM

https://twitter.com/smartfootball/st...00358379298816

Here's a sample of a 20 year old Reid install from rookie camp. Holy shit.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-08-2017 10:27 AM

From what I've heard, Mahomes has learned more in a couple practices than Lynch did in an entire year...ROFL

staylor26 05-08-2017 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12862497)
Paxton doesn't have a work ethic problem...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Play on field is what matters but for what it&#39;s worth: Talked to Bronco player who said &quot;Paxton has been first one in meetings.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/9sports?src=hash">#9sports</a></p>&mdash; Mike Klis (@MikeKlis) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/854341365743853568">April 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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:)

I also think Paxton is more receptive to coaching than Pat Mahomes. Mahomes has an "I do it my way" kind of vibe to him.

LMAO

Everything you post from this guy is fluff. I would hope Lynch stepped it up a litttle after his new HC basically called him out. Terez Paylor said he heard rumblings about Lynch's poor work ethic during the offseason.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-08-2017 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12862575)
LMAO

Everything you post from this guy is fluff. I would hope Lynch stepped it up a litttle after his new HC basically called him out. Terez Paylor said he heard things about Lynch's poor work ethic during the offseason.

I've told him that. Lazy and dumb.

Quesadilla Joe 05-08-2017 11:18 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_Ugoo_UwAAtDsu.jpg

Pasta Little Brioni 05-08-2017 11:20 AM

Troll piece of shit

raybec 4 05-08-2017 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12862519)
https://twitter.com/smartfootball/st...00358379298816

Here's a sample of a 20 year old Reid install from rookie camp. Holy shit.

The comment under the tweet is interesting. The guy said Reid told him he's throwing more at Mahomes than he normally would. He's either doing that because Pat is handling it well or he is desperate to be sure Pat's ready for the number 2 spot in September.

RunKC 05-08-2017 01:04 PM

Pat is far ahead of where Lynch was this time last year bc of what each did in college.

Changes at the line of scrimmage and calling pass protections.

Pat did this a lot at Tech and Lynch didn't do this at all at Memphis. Pat is far more prepared mentally at this stage.
It will be interesting to see what lynch has learned from a year in the NFL.

Quesadilla Joe 05-10-2017 09:16 AM

Eric Galko talks about the Chiefs draft...

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Beef Supreme 05-10-2017 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12866168)
Eric Galko talks about the Chiefs draft...

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That was pretty interesting.

Quesadilla Joe 05-15-2017 04:08 PM

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Quesadilla Joe 05-17-2017 10:11 AM

Darnold, Rosen, Allen: No sure-fire franchise QBs in next wave
By Bucky Brooks

Spoiler!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...469-sf79486469

DJ's left nut 05-17-2017 10:15 AM

It starts.

Next year's class is always better. Always. And by next year, that class will look a hell of a lot like this one with a possible exception of having one top tier option that we'd have never had a shot at anyway.

God I'm glad that argument is dead and we just have our high-ceiling bird in hand.

Quesadilla Joe 06-06-2017 10:02 AM

From DJ...

First Look: Scouting USC QB Sam Darnold

Spoiler!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...qb-sam-darnold

Pasta Little Brioni 06-06-2017 11:27 AM

Knowmo, you will be bad, but not bad enough to get Sam. Chiefs get a franchise guy and you are left holding your dicks with Lynch (a guy Dorse baited u into drafting)Love it!

Quesadilla Joe 06-13-2017 05:29 PM

First Look: Scouting Wyoming QB Josh Allen
By Daniel Jeremiah


Spoiler!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...edium=referral

RunKC 06-13-2017 07:54 PM

Josh Allen is ahead of Mahomes bc he is more mobile and is learning under a pro style system.
Mahomes has the most proven HC to develop QB's in the league teaching him.

Mahomes was well ahead of Paxton Lynch last season. The draft doesn't lie. Elite QB coaches wanted Mahomes at 11 and 13 before Andy got him at 10.

Lynch almost fell to the 2nd rd bc nobody wanted him until late.

staylor26 06-14-2017 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12915409)
Josh Allen is ahead of Mahomes bc he is more mobile and is learning under a pro style system.
Mahomes has the most proven HC to develop QB's in the league teaching him.

Mahomes was well ahead of Paxton Lynch last season. The draft doesn't lie. Elite QB coaches wanted Mahomes at 11 and 13 before Andy got him at 10.

Lynch almost fell to the 2nd rd bc nobody wanted him until late.

It's hilarious that KnowMo continues to ignore these facts because of a tweet from one talking head

LMAO

Quesadilla Joe 06-14-2017 08:09 AM

If those "elite QB coaches" really wanted Mahomes they would've traded up to get him instead of allowing KC to trade up 17 spots. Sure, if Mahomes was sitting there at their pick they might've drafted him, but they weren't going to move up to get him.

KC traded up for Mahomes because they knew they wouldn't be able to get a QB next year. Don't forget, the Chiefs wanted Lynch last year and they knew they couldn't afford to miss out on QB's in 2016, 2017, AND 2018. They were desperate to find Alex Smith's replacement, ASAP.

staylor26 06-14-2017 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12915853)
If those "elite QB coaches" really wanted Mahomes they would've traded up to get him instead of allowing KC to trade up 17 spots. Sure, if Mahomes was sitting there at their pick they might've drafted him, but they weren't going to move up to get him.

KC traded up for Mahomes because they knew they wouldn't be able to get a QB next year. Don't forget, the Chiefs wanted Lynch last year and they knew they couldn't afford to miss out on QB's in 2016, 2017, AND 2018. They were desperate to find Alex Smith's replacement, ASAP.

The irony of you saying this then telling us that the Chiefs really wanted Lynch

:facepalm:

Also, it's a fact that the Saints wanted him. Somebody that was in the war room confirmed. You can't even dispute that.

The funny thing too is, nobody saw the Chiefs trading up to 10, while everybody could see Denver trading up from a mile away.

Quesadilla Joe 06-14-2017 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12915924)

The funny thing too is, nobody saw the Chiefs trading up to 10, while everybody could see Denver trading up from a mile away.

An hour before the draft started there were multiple reports saying that the Chiefs were trying to trade up to 10. The Chiefs were calling every team picking between 5-15 trying to find a suitable spot to trade up. The entire league knew what KC was up to.

Elway had the entire NFL thinking he was going to trade for Colin Kaepernick.

staylor26 06-14-2017 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12916061)
An hour before the draft started there were multiple reports saying that the Chiefs were trying to trade up to 10. The Chiefs were calling every team picking between 5-15 trying to find a suitable spot to trade up. The entire league knew what KC was up to.

Elway had the entire NFL thinking he was going to trade for Colin Kaepernick.

Give me a ****ing break. There was one report in an ocean of rumors and misinformation. In no way shape or form was the Chiefs trade up as obvious as the Broncos.

There were a plenty of mocks weeks before (maybe even months) that had the Broncos trading up for Lynch. I myself called it months before on CP.

Quesadilla Joe 06-14-2017 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12916094)
Give me a ****ing break. There was one report in an ocean of rumors and misinformation. In no way shape or form was the Chiefs trade up as obvious as the Broncos.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The team making the most noise right now about moving up, maybe even into the Top 10 — The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KCChiefs?src=hash">#KCChiefs</a>. Due diligence or…?</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/857725761956007941">April 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Word from a league source: Chiefs trying to move up, but for an ILB and not a QB. Reuben Foster/Jarrad Davis maybe?</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/857734673816059904">April 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Those close to Patrick Mahomes think he will land in KC, Houston or Arizona.</p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/857746370714906625">April 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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12. TRADE — Kansas City Chiefs: Patrick Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech



This is the only trade I will outright predict. Former Chiefs assistant GM Chris Ballard was a supporter of Mahomes during his time in Kansas City, and GM John Dorsey and Andy Reid trust him. Their first, second and fourth this year and second next year should be enough for a Browns team that wants to move down.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/list...gba1a/slide/12

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12916094)
There were a plenty of mocks weeks before (maybe even months) that had the Broncos trading up for Lynch. I myself called it months before on CP.

Mocks LMAO Sure they're fun to look at, but there are only a handful that really mean anything and they don't come out until a day before the draft.

I never really considered Paxton Lynch as an option because I thought for sure he'd go in the top 10/15 picks. It wasn't until he slipped past the Jets at 20 that I really thought it was a possibility. You have to remember, Denver was picking at 31 and Elway wasn't going to give up an arm and a leg in a trade.

staylor26 06-14-2017 11:27 AM

:facepalm:

Not one of those tweets is a prediction that the Chiefs will trade up for Mahomes

Quesadilla Joe 06-14-2017 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12916279)
:facepalm:

Not one of those tweets is a prediction that the Chiefs will trade up for Mahomes

Every NFL team knew that KC was trading up. They may not have known exactly who they wanted, but it was obvious that it was for one of the QB's.

staylor26 06-14-2017 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12916304)
Every NFL team knew that KC was trading up. They may not have known exactly who they wanted, but it was obvious that it was for one of the QB's.

Yea, ok ROFL

RunKC 06-14-2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12915853)
If those "elite QB coaches" really wanted Mahomes they would've traded up to get him instead of allowing KC to trade up 17 spots. Sure, if Mahomes was sitting there at their pick they might've drafted him, but they weren't going to move up to get him.

KC traded up for Mahomes because they knew they wouldn't be able to get a QB next year. Don't forget, the Chiefs wanted Lynch last year and they knew they couldn't afford to miss out on QB's in 2016, 2017, AND 2018. They were desperate to find Alex Smith's replacement, ASAP.

If the Chiefs really wanted Lynch they would have traded more resources to get him with Dorsey's long time colleague from GB John Schneider.

The fact that the Chiefs didn't offer much (or anything) to trade up for Lynch but then gave up what they did for Mahomes tells you all you need to know.

Bottom line is Paxton Lynch was a QB KC liked. Pat Mahomes was a QB they loved.

Quesadilla Joe 06-14-2017 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12916311)
Yea, ok ROFL

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At one point discussion turned to the rest of the first round. Peters heard reliably that Kansas City, picking 27th, was moving way up to Tennessee at five. Presumably for a quarterback. “I hear it’s for a one, two, four and next year’s one,” Shanahan said. “They offered that to Tennessee.”
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/01/s...ter-peter-king

Quesadilla Joe 06-14-2017 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12916317)
If the Chiefs really wanted Lynch they would have traded more resources to get him with Dorsey's long time colleague from GB John Schneider.

The Chiefs didn't have a third round pick and Denver did. Dorsey gambled thinking that Lynch would fall two more picks and got burned.

RunKC 06-14-2017 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12916353)
The Chiefs didn't have a third round pick and Denver did. Dorsey gambled thinking that Lynch would fall two more picks and got burned.

John Dorsey traded a 1st and two 3rd rd picks for Mahomes. If the Chiefs felt as as good about Lynch as they felt about Mahomes, they would have used more draft capitol to trade up for him.

Dorsey said prospects like Mahomes "don't come along very often". It's clear he didn't think Lynch fit that label.

Quesadilla Joe 06-14-2017 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12916385)
John Dorsey traded a 1st and two 3rd rd picks for Mahomes. If the Chiefs felt as as good about Lynch as they felt about Mahomes, they would have used more draft capitol to trade up for him.

Dorsey said prospects like Mahomes "don't come along very often". It's clear he didn't think Lynch fit that label.

The sense of urgency wasn't there in 2016 because KC had just won their first playoff game in like 30 years. Plus I imagine Dorsey was a little spooked about the NFL taking away a few of their picks after Maclingate, and so he wasn't as aggressive as he should've been.

RunKC 06-14-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12916548)
The sense of urgency wasn't there in 2016 because KC had just won their first playoff game in like 30 years. Plus I imagine Dorsey was a little spooked about the NFL taking away a few of their picks after Maclingate, and so he wasn't as aggressive as he should've been.

Stick to Denver fodder bc you don't know anything about the Chiefs LMAO

Quesadilla Joe 06-15-2017 10:35 AM

From Albert Breer's column...

Spoiler!
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/15/a...icamp-notebook

staylor26 06-15-2017 10:57 AM

"A better version of Patrick Mahomes"

LMAO

What exactly makes Allen better?


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