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ChiefBlueCFC 11-21-2018 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13907824)
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That list is a little weird with 2 guys on the tag. Donald and Cox are good but 100M?! Yeesh. And Watt is another guy who is good but is hurt all the time. I love Chris Jones, but II think we all saw he’s not Donald, and he’s probably not Watt. I don’t think I want him up there.

Donald is worth the money he's making bc he is absolute wrecking ball and disrupts shit almost at will.

Watt is the same, but as you said he's had issues with health.

Jones is damn good but he isn't $100M good. Maybe in a few years.

However, if we take care of these contracts sooner rather than later, we can save money. Dorsey's issue with Berry and Houston contracts is he waited until their contracts ran up.

kysirsoze 11-21-2018 01:49 PM

Saying OBJ isn't worth it because they aren't winning doesn't apply to Hill at all. Eli ****ing blows. OBJ would absolutely be worth it with even an above average QB. Where the Ginats ****ed up is drafting Barkley. Total waste. Paying Hill with Mahomes to throw to him is a no brainer. It HAS to happen.

Dunerdr 11-21-2018 02:17 PM

I. Not reading the whole thread but, Aaron Rodgers has had a lot of nickels and really no quarters maybe a few dimes. And look at his ****ing career. Continue treading water every year.

St. Patty's Fire 11-21-2018 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13907841)
So is OBJ. And they have 2 mother****ing wins. And a supposed legit QB.

If you get 2 guys at half the salary will you get the same production?

I don't know, because Hill is really ****ing special. And I don't want him to walk.

I just don't want a hamstring pull away from $20M per on the bench.

We’re not re-signing OBJ with the intent of playing him with a washed up/always overrated Eli Manning.

If we were a question mark at QB, then yes giving Hill that 20M might be unwise.

But he will be playing with the best QB in the league moving forward. You absolute give Reek WHATEVER he wants. The offense wouldn’t be the same without him.

BigRedChief 11-21-2018 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13908567)
You aren't telling anyone anything they don't know. So you can quit repeating yourself.

maybe Mr. Mod you should quit following me around making snide comments? Just a thought.

Hydrae 11-21-2018 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 13908581)
So true OBJ reminds me of a more talented D. Bowe in fact this thread reminds me of the pay Bowe threads of past.

The difference is Reek put in the work in off season and made himself into a wide receiver not just a gimmick. Dedication deserves to be rewarded Reek gets his. Players like Bowe never put in the work and yet got rewarded.

Lock in Hill as leagues highest paid receiver and cross your fingers on his health he will reward us years to come.

Normally I would not want to give a long term contract to a speedster. When the speed is gone, they are usually done. But Tyreek has worked so hard to become a true WR and learning the route tree that I think he will still be quite good after the speed drops.

I also think he may well give us a "home team discount" since we took a chance on him when many in the league would not have drafted him in any round.

BossChief 11-21-2018 02:44 PM

2019 FAs (48m cap space after rollover)

Conley
Nelson
Morse
Bailey
Ford
Sherman
Harris

2020 FAs (65m in cap space)

Hill
Robinson
Jones
Williams
Fuller
Ragland
Murray

MahiMike 11-21-2018 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13907837)
I'm not there on Hill for 20M per.

OBJ is legit. But the Giants are total **** even with him on there. Obviously he's not contributing to wins.

Plus if we extend him after next year he'll be 30 by the end of a 5 year deal and will probably have lost a step. I'm not all about speed guys who are aging.

Christ it sucks ass, but I think it's the thing to do. He's going to get PAID and I don't think it should be us.

Remember when Manning had Marvin Harrison and everyone thought he was the best ever. Remember when Manning didn't have Marvin Harrison?

I think Hill is better than Harrison, but looking through that list, particularly OBJ, it's tough for me to pay a guy that doesn't contribute to wins.

Umm we have Patrick freaking Mahomes. Not broke dick Eli. Pay Hill whatever he wants. We need him.

JakeF 11-21-2018 02:53 PM

It's usually decided about the position. Certain positions are move valuable than others. Those positions often have longer NFL lifespans too. QB,Passrusher,LT,WR,CB

WR and CB have begun more valuable recently.

Buehler445 11-21-2018 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 13908809)
2019 FAs (48m cap space after rollover)

Conley
Nelson
Morse
Bailey
Ford
Sherman
Harris

2020 FAs (65m in cap space)

Hill
Robinson
Jones
Williams
Fuller
Ragland
Murray

Woah. That’s bad. Some of those guys can get bent or play for peanuts. Some of those are going to HURT.

JakeF 11-21-2018 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 13908826)
Umm we have Patrick freaking Mahomes. Not broke dick Eli. Pay Hill whatever he wants. We need him.

You can't pay anyone whatever they want. It hurts the rest of the team too much.

If we get rid of our overpaid Mash unit players we will have tons of money.

JakeF 11-21-2018 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 13908809)
2019 FAs (48m cap space after rollover)

Conley
Nelson
Morse
Bailey
Ford
Sherman
Harris

2020 FAs (65m in cap space)

Hill
Robinson
Jones
Williams
Fuller
Ragland
Murray

2019 is pretty easy, Ford is the only problem. Allen Bailey is playing much better now though but he's still not worth 8m. Ford might want huge money and I'm not sure we should pay him. Conley should be an easy keep.

2020 Hill and Jones are important keeps, the rest depends on how much they want.

SAUTO 11-21-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13908792)
maybe Mr. Mod you should quit following me around making snide comments? Just a thought.

That wasn't a snide comment. I was just stating facts. You were the one crying about being tired of saying something over and over that literally everyone here knows.

There's a reason to try and lock them up early.

Oh and I can't believe you are being a drama queen (actually i can, it fits right in with you) saying I'm following you around. When was your last post I even commented on? Had to be at least weeks ago.

Buehler445 11-21-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 13908826)
Umm we have Patrick freaking Mahomes. Not broke dick Eli. Pay Hill whatever he wants. We need him.

I agree.

But I feel compelled to ask whether or not we really do need him. Brady has done GOAT performances with ****all for talent. Manning the same after Harrison shot up fools. Rodgers has done a lot with not much at receiver. I believe Mahomes is in that class. So does it make sense to drop top dollar on a WR? Or would the money be better served on the line and the other side of the ball.

Hill is insane and is going to get fat paid. And I think it should be us. But I don’t know for sure.

The problem with letting our guys walk because they’re too expensive is other guys in free agency are too damn expensive too.

Replacing Nelson is going to SUCK Scandrick isn’t long for the league so both our outside guys are going to need good money unless a draft pick can start year one. Same with Jones/Bailey. It’s going to be real expensive and that’s why Hill gives me hesitation though.

I still think we sign him, but man, there are some bleak outlooks out there.

Buehler445 11-21-2018 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 13908761)
I. Not reading the whole thread but, Aaron Rodgers has had a lot of nickels and really no quarters maybe a few dimes. And look at his ****ing career. Continue treading water every year.

That’s kind of the crux of the issue. It’s not whether to spend money. Without looking I think GB is, i don’t hear about them constantly being at the floor or anything.

But Rodgers has made a good offense out of bad talent. But they can’t buy a stop. Rather than having bad defense and a great offense maybe a decent defense and above average offense would yield better results than GB has seen.

Rodgers’ only SB win was when they had some talent on D.


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