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duncan_idaho 11-21-2017 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13231397)
Acuna appears safe. I'm not sure MLB could've come up with any basis at all to strip them of his rights apart from "**** you, that's why".



But yeah, it seems pretty apparent that they're losing their entire 2016 international signing class. Maitan hurts the worst but that 2016 class was seen to be the foundation of their rebuild and widely regarded as one of the better international signing classes of the last several years. That's gonna sting for awhile.


Anthopoulos is going to have to move some arms from within their tremendous depth of Starting Pitching prospects to supplement the bats now.

Albies , Swanson, Acuna, and Freeman are a nice grouping, but they need another guy or two around that group to really make a run over the next 5-6 years.


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DJ's left nut 11-21-2017 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13231619)
Anthopoulos is going to have to move some arms from within their tremendous depth of Starting Pitching prospects to supplement the bats now.

Albies , Swanson, Acuna, and Freeman are a nice grouping, but they need another guy or two around that group to really make a run over the next 5-6 years.


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The problem is that Swanson may not actually be that good afterall. I like Albies well enough but you always get a little wary when someone performs a lot better over a small sample as you expected (then again, not falling flat on your face as a 20 yr old in the big leagues is pretty damn impressive either way).

Honestly, if they could move Freeman they would be wise to do so. This whole thing puts their rebuild behind Freeman's prime. They need to re-set their clock to 4-5 years away because if nothing else this costs them a ton of organizational capital that could've been flipped to help the big league roster now.

I know you don't want to rebuild right after a rebuild, but if they could flip Freeman and Inciarte for the kind of hauls that Eaton returned, they could get their age/service time all lined back up for a push in 2022 or so.

I don't see a path forward for a team centered on Freeman and I think Inciarte's contract makes him too valuable to hold on to for a 90 loss team. When the Cardinals inevitably strike out on Stanton due to organizational cowardice/hubris, they would be well served to package some of that prospect/pitching depth and make a call to Atlanta to see if Reyes/Freeman gets some traction. Freeman's probably worth about $25-30 million more than his contract over the next 4 years which isn't a ton of surplus value but it certainly carries some weight. Reyes comes with 5 years of control, though one of them will be hampered by his rehab next season. 4 'full boat' years of Reyes at pre-arb/arb levels is probably a pretty nice return for 4 years of Freeman at an 80% discount.

And if Inciarte could be moved to a team like the Yankees who could use a table-setter and longer term answer in CF. If they can get Otani, they may well be willing to make a move like Sheffield and Acevedo for a nice young CFer with a ton of under-valued team control like Inciarte.

Suddenly the Braves would have a hell of a lot of young arm talent in their system and have freed up some payroll to make another move in a couple years when their rebuild will have clearer picture. I know arms were already their strength but I think that's how you have to operate if you're rebuilding. Get the pitching, find out what your foundation is (due to the attrition rate of arms) and then if needed, supplement with trades.

Things are just too hazy for them to move arms right now, IMO.

Kidd Lex 11-21-2017 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13231242)
It would be appear my daughter managed to post to Chiefsplanet this morning while we were getting ready. My bad, guys. I got nothing!


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She’s still a better poster than most on the main board

Prison Bitch 11-21-2017 05:15 PM

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It would be appear my daughter managed to post to Chiefsplanet this morning while we were getting ready. My bad, guys. I got nothing!


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Better takes: me or her?

Titty Meat 11-21-2017 05:28 PM

I can't believe they are going to try and re-sign Hosmer. Huge mistake blow this thing up like the Astros did.

BigCatDaddy 11-21-2017 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooter Libby (Post 13231816)
I can't believe they are going to try and re-sign Hosmer. Huge mistake blow this thing up like the Astros did.

And the A's!

DJ's left nut 11-21-2017 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooter Libby (Post 13231816)
I can't believe they are going to try and re-sign Hosmer. Huge mistake blow this thing up like the Astros did.

They are going to price enforce and make sure they at least make a public effort. If the market doesn't come together and they can get him cheaper than expected, they'll be there.

But if Boras gets his bidding war, the Royals will bow out pretty quickly. I don't expect they'll go over 5/$100 and I figure he'll demand more term than that.

Titty Meat 11-21-2017 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13231945)
They are going to price enforce and make sure they at least make a public effort. If the market doesn't come together and they can get him cheaper than expected, they'll be there.

But if Boras gets his bidding war, the Royals will bow out pretty quickly. I don't expect they'll go over 5/$100 and I figure he'll demand more term than that.

I remember when the market didn't come together for Gordon either. Not saying he will be that bad but in 3-5 years he will suffer from a sharpe decline. That's deveststing for a team like the Royals.

duncan_idaho 11-21-2017 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13231792)
Better takes: me or her?


You, for sure. Terrible 2s times 2.


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Coach 11-21-2017 09:36 PM

What the Royals should do is take a real good look into those prospects from the Braves that are declared free-agents. They're definitely young and wouldn't cost much, IMHO.

Prison Bitch 11-21-2017 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13232016)
You, for sure. Terrible 2s times 2.


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3 is worse. I was warned, didn't believe, but now I'm warning you.

The whining becomes "No!"

dmahurin 11-22-2017 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13232210)
3 is worse. I was warned, didn't believe, but now I'm warning you.

The whining becomes "No!"

3 is definitely worse.

duncan_idaho 11-22-2017 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13232210)
3 is worse. I was warned, didn't believe, but now I'm warning you.



The whining becomes "No!"


I believe it. Everyone says it. Our daughter is strong-willed and already very fond of "No." they're both strong-willed, for that matter.

Re: Maitan, yes, KC should absolutely look at signing him if they have the space available in their 2018 pool (some of that has already been planned/allocated, I'd imagine. Have to protest relationships and can't easily just back out of things).

Pablo 11-22-2017 07:13 AM

Your daughter's post in this thread was better than anything Dane posted earlier, so she's got that going for her.

RockChalk 11-22-2017 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 13232469)
Your daughter's post in this thread was better than anything Dane posted earlier, so she's got that going for her.

Hey, **** you, you ****ing **** ****. Nobody ****ing ****s with me that ****ing way. Dumbsh*t mother****er


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