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Anyong Bluth 04-19-2016 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 12185168)
Not to get biblical but the setup makes me think Gilligan is referencing the prodigal son. Jimmy is the prodigal son who tries to go legit. Chuck is the jealous brother upset that his brother is getting showered with attention. In the end, it's the jealous brother who has done right all his life that is painted as the bad guy.

Chuck is the jealous brother on steroids. He's now using Jimmy's love for chuck as a weapon. Jimmy has been masterful at covering his tracks but slips twice because he cares more about his brother than about covering his own ass. Chuck using that against Jimmy says a lot about what a weasel he's become.

Of course Jimmy is the symbolic equivalent, and Chuck is ready to toss him down the hole. Mesa Verde is the equivalent of the 20 pieces of silver.

Molitoth 04-19-2016 12:08 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if someone is out there comparing penmanship to something Gus wrote in BB and the note on Mikes car.

I think Gus is watching Mike watch Hector.

Anyong Bluth 04-19-2016 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 12185316)
I don't believe Jimmy is dead to rights here.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy goes guns a blazin' to get Chuck committed. He'd have the support of Chuck's doctors, and could write off that recording as him playing along with a delusional fantasy. Getting Chuck committed could ruin both HHM and the McGill name, necessitating the advent of Saul (in more ways than one).

Given Chuck's mental condition and being secretly taped under the circumstances, he's got the equivalent of a howitzer with only blanks.

At first blush it's intimidating, but upon closer inspection, can't do much more than a flesh wound.

Ernie coming clean would be him actually getting any live ammo.

The doctor is certainly not going to help chuck's case- she's already recommended him being committed.

If Chuck goes public with this, he will do far greater damage to HHM, and even his fitness to keep his license to practice could be in jeopardy.

A hidden recording really only paints Jimmy as trying to do whatever to make his brother feel better, not to mention I don’t know New Mexico's wiretapping laws or possible legality issues with his little stunt.

Buehler445 04-19-2016 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12185558)
Given Chuck's mental condition and being secretly taped under the circumstances, he's got the equivalent of a howitzer with only blanks.

At first blush it's intimidating, but upon closer inspection, can't do much more than a flesh wound.

Ernie coming clean would be him actually getting any live ammo.

The doctor is certainly not going to help chuck's case- she's already recommended him being committed.

If Chuck goes public with this, he will do far greater damage to HHM, and even his fitness to keep his license to practice could be in jeopardy.

A hidden recording really only paints Jimmy as trying to do whatever to make his brother feel better, not to mention I don’t know New Mexico's wiretapping laws or possible legality issues with his little stunt.

Yeah. In Kansas, you have to disclose you are taping and I think you have to have authorization. Not sure, but I know you have to disclose it.

mikeyis4dcats. 04-19-2016 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 12174702)
Kim's just as much a piece of shit as Jimmy. She wants to benefit from his misdeeds, she just doesn't want to know about them. That IMO means she is not only just as shady as Jimmy, she still believes she's not.

She DOESN'T want to benefit from them, but she understands the bell has been rung, and there's no going back. Even if she gave up Mesa Verde they'd never return to HHM, so whats the point?

mikeyis4dcats. 04-19-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12185580)
Yeah. In Kansas, you have to disclose you are taping and I think you have to have authorization. Not sure, but I know you have to disclose it.

Kansas and New Mexico are one party states, so only one party needs to know it's being recorded.

Buehler445 04-19-2016 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 12185807)
Kansas and New Mexico are one party states, so only one party needs to know it's being recorded.

Look at who's wrong

<---This ****ing guy.

I could have swore you needed to disclose it here.

chiefzilla1501 04-19-2016 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 12185799)
She DOESN'T want to benefit from them, but she understands the bell has been rung, and there's no going back. Even if she gave up Mesa Verde they'd never return to HHM, so whats the point?

Yeah, I don't get any criticism for Kim. I think she is looking out for Jimmy more than anything. But this is Gilligan so it's only a matter of time before she finds gray area.

Anyong Bluth 04-19-2016 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12185826)
Look at who's wrong

<---This ****ing guy.

I could have swore you needed to disclose it here.

Typically the more "liberal" states require more than one party be made aware. Not a hard and fast rule, but generality.

notorious 04-19-2016 03:00 PM

Don't forget about Gus's "partner".

He doesn't get taken out for a while if I remember correctly.

Gus will learn a lesson about half-measures, too. If he stopped Mike from taking out the uncle, the uncle ends up killing his partner by the pool.

mikeyis4dcats. 04-19-2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12185845)
Typically the more "liberal" states require more than one party be made aware. Not a hard and fast rule, but generality.

12 states are "all party" states: CA, CT, FL, IL, MD, MA, MI, MT, NV, PA, WA

Anyong Bluth 04-19-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 12185979)
12 states are "all party" states: CA, CT, FL, IL, MD, MA, MI, MT, NV, PA, WA

Sounds right. Thanks for the info. Looks like the number of states has gone down? It used to be around 20, I thought.

Chiefspants 04-19-2016 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 12185332)
That would be Jimmy breaking bad. There's no evidence he would do this. He sabotaged chuck to save Kim not because he wanted revenge. He twice had the choice to save his ass or save his brother. Both times he picked his brother. If Jimmy does that that's a huge change in his character.

If there was a "Breaking Bad" moment, this could be it.

BucEyedPea 04-19-2016 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 12185807)
Kansas and New Mexico are one party states, so only one party needs to know it's being recorded.

The whole thing that Chuck did sounds like entrapment, especially if he's the only party that knows it's being recorded.

patteeu 04-19-2016 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 12186336)
The whole thing that Chuck did sounds like entrapment, especially if he's the only party that knows it's being recorded.

Entrapment is when a law enforcement officer induces you to commit a crime. Chuck isn't law enforcement and he just tricked Jimmy into incriminating himself, not into committing the crime in the first place.


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