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ghak99 10-27-2022 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16557150)
https://onlineguncompany.com/product...acp-5-8rd-sts/

Here's the gun in question, FYI. It's a good looking piece, IMO.

I don't feel so bad knowing you guys have been duped into making similar purchases. I guess humans just really like shiny shit.

I don't know anything about that maker, but have you saw it in person? Just from zooming in, I'm going to guess the fit and finish will be lacking. If I was going to spend $5XX on it, I'd wait and spend $7XX on something like this. You'll notice that $200 difference when you hold it in your hand. There's eleventy billion different 1911s of all quality levels though, so finding something you really like that will go bang shouldn't be an issue.

https://shoot-on.com/wp-content/uplo...arrison_10.jpg

ThaVirus 10-27-2022 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 16557274)
I don't know anything about that maker, but have you saw it in person? Just from zooming in, I'm going to guess the fit and finish will be lacking. If I was going to spend $5XX on it, I'd wait and spend $7XX on something like this. You'll notice that $200 difference when you hold it in your hand. There's eleventy billion different 1911s of all quality levels though, so finding something you really like that will go bang shouldn't be an issue.

https://shoot-on.com/wp-content/uplo...arrison_10.jpg


No, no, I have not even seen it in person. Like I said, I wasn’t going to make any purchases until I’ve fired a few different handguns. I was just curious about the Planet’s opinion on 1911s in general. I was unaware that the level of quality could vary so much. The one you posted is beautiful too.

LiveSteam 10-27-2022 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16557150)
https://onlineguncompany.com/product...acp-5-8rd-sts/

Here's the gun in question, FYI. It's a good looking piece, IMO.

I don't feel so bad knowing you guys have been duped into making similar purchases. I guess humans just really like shiny shit.

It's a Turkish 1911 made by Tissa.
You'll be happy with it. If you buy it?

A quick YouTube search and you'll find Hickok 45 out banging away on his range with one.

srvy 10-27-2022 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16557718)
It's a Turkish 1911 made by Tissa.
You'll be happy with it. If you buy it?

A quick YouTube search and you'll find Hickok 45 out banging away on his range with one.

Those Turks make pretty fine guns and a quick look around and it gets some pretty good reviews.

ThaVirus 10-27-2022 01:52 PM

Off Season Lets Talk Guns, Part 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16556654)
If you feel this way, why bother? If you're not willing to train and practice, you've basically rendered the gun useless at best and dangerous to yourself and others that you don't plan to shoot at worst. And if you're not willing to pull the trigger when the need arises, all you've got in your hand is a $600 paperweight. At least until it's taken away from you.



We all have the right to own guns, but they're not for everybody. I gave a Glock 19 to my FIL for Christmas a couple of years ago, but it wouldn't surprise me if he keeps it in a box in the attic with his .22. He's never expressed any real interest in shooting it or learning how to properly use it. I probably should have just gotten him a sweater and kept it for myself.


Like I said, better to have and not need than need and not have. "If you want peace, prepare for war". Idk, there's like a million phrases I can throw out there lol

I have shot before and I'm not some pussy ass bitch LMAO I would pull the trigger if necessary.

I feel like I may have painted a different picture than what's really going on here.

I am a novice but I'm not an idiot. I'm about to start a family and move into a house so I'm not just going to hope I can ward off a couple assholes with guns who feel like kicking my door in with just a pocket knife.

ThaVirus 10-27-2022 01:59 PM

Off Season Lets Talk Guns, Part 2
 
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...cc2c12c78a.jpg

This was from my first time ever shooting a handgun actually, back in 2014.

The accuracy and precision in the chest was nice. Idk wtf happened on the throat shot, though lol

EDIT: I can't remember how far off we were but it wasn't super close. I know that it was far enough away that I actually had trouble making out the hits from that distance and I was in my early twenties. I'd guess maybe 15 yards..?

Frazod 10-27-2022 02:05 PM

All I'm saying is you need to train and practice. Just having a gun isn't enough. Understanding safe handling, proper manipulation, proper trigger press, the right way to hold it, how to quickly deal with jams and bad ammo, are all important aspects of gun ownership that can make the difference between life and death.

It's not something anybody should go into half-assed.

Megatron96 10-27-2022 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16558119)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...cc2c12c78a.jpg

This was from my first time ever shooting a handgun actually, back in 2014.

The accuracy and precision in the chest was nice. Idk wtf happened on the throat shot, though lol

EDIT: I can't remember how far off we were but it wasn't super close. I know that it was far enough away that I actually had trouble making out the hits from that distance and I was in my early twenties. I'd guess maybe 15 yards..?

Probably your fliers are the result of just not being completely familiar with your sights. However, without actually seeing you shoot, it could be one or several of many things.

You'd ideally want to keep your pattern tighter than that, or at least without the fliers. That takes a lot of trigger time.

You might want to consider a laser training system. It'll save you time and money. The link below is a list of the better laser trainers available.

https://www.cchit.org/laser-firearm-training-system/

I'm familiar with the Mantix system. That or the GSight are the ones I'd recommend, but others may be familiar with others they like. i like these systems because they allow you to actually use the same gun you'll be using, not some replica with a different trigger, sights, etc. Also these two allow you to practice at home in your den or whatever, so no need to schedule range time, drive time, whatever. And considering the current cost of ammo, it'll pay for itself after just 300 trigger pulls or so.

And they definitely work. My buddy bought the Mantix system and went from a B-/C+ shooter to a consistent A-/A shooter (acuracy-wise) in just a 6-8 weeks, training just 4 times/week about 20 minutes a day. And his speed from shot to shot decreased by almost half in the same time. So these things not only help improve your accuracy but your target acquisition as well.

ThaVirus 10-27-2022 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16558130)
All I'm saying is you need to train and practice. Just having a gun isn't enough. Understanding safe handling, proper manipulation, proper trigger press, the right way to hold it, how to quickly deal with jams and bad ammo, are all important aspects of gun ownership that can make the difference between life and death.



It's not something anybody should go into half-assed.


Oh, Fraz, my boy, I got you! This is not something I'm gonna go through with on a whim. To make you feel better, I've been considering buying a gun for the last 5 years or so. I searched for it and couldn't find it, but the reason I am set on the Remington 870 was from a discussion here on CP years back.

I absolutely will not make a purchase until/unless I feel comfortable with the weapon.

And if I'm gonna spend $500+ on it, I'm for DAMN SURE gonna be using it periodically lol.... Though I personally don't see myself ever becoming a gun enthusiast, ya never know!

Fish 10-27-2022 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16558160)
Probably your fliers are the result of just not being completely familiar with your sights. However, without actually seeing you shoot, it could be one or several of many things.

You'd ideally want to keep your pattern tighter than that, or at least without the fliers. That takes a lot of trigger time.

You might want to consider a laser training system. It'll save you time and money. The link below is a list of the better laser trainers available.

https://www.cchit.org/laser-firearm-training-system/

I'm familiar with the Mantix system. That or the GSight are the ones I'd recommend, but others may be familiar with others they like. i like these systems because they allow you to actually use the same gun you'll be using, not some replica with a different trigger, sights, etc. Also these two allow you to practice at home in your den or whatever, so no need to schedule range time, drive time, whatever. And considering the current cost of ammo, it'll pay for itself after just 300 trigger pulls or so.

And they definitely work. My buddy bought the Mantix system and went from a B-/C+ shooter to a consistent A-/A shooter (acuracy-wise) in just a 6-8 weeks, training just 4 times/week about 20 minutes a day. And his speed from shot to shot decreased by almost half in the same time. So these things not only help improve your accuracy but your target acquisition as well.

2nd this. I got a nice GSight laser, and use it frequently. It's dramatically helped with my target acquisition and shot placement. Things like drawing from your holster and quickly shooting. Or drawing your gun and leaning around a hallway corner and quickly acquiring/shooting at your target. Great practice without worry. I use the Mantis app, and it has lots of different modes to mix up shooting technique. Unfortunately you have to buy each mode individually, but it's worth it for the experience.

If your shooting range has a digital system for placing your paper target, they often include practice modes that will take your paper target down range while sideways, and then turn it so you can shoot at variable distances. But it only displays the target for like 1 sec. So, it will take it to 10yds, and you have 1 sec to shoot, then takes it to 15yds, and you have 1 sec to shoot, etc. Also good practice for live fire situations. The laser target systems are great for practice, but you definitely need to get the feel of the recoil and how to re-aquire target from recoil.

Perineum Ripper 10-28-2022 02:27 PM

Since deer season is around the corner, I was curious what caliber and what gun they use.


I normally carry a .270 Ruger M77 that my dad gave me that he bought in the 70’s. I just bought myself a Savage 110 High Country in .270 that I am using this year

ghak99 10-28-2022 02:31 PM

Ruger m77 in 6mm rem or Rem 700 in 300 ultramag.

Fish 10-28-2022 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper (Post 16561087)
Since deer season is around the corner, I was curious what caliber and what gun they use.


I normally carry a .270 Ruger M77 that my dad gave me that he bought in the 70’s. I just bought myself a Savage 110 High Country in .270 that I am using this year

Savage 110 .270 is my deer gun as well. Great shooter. I love their Accutriggers.

srvy 10-28-2022 03:03 PM

Remington 700 mountain rifle .30-06 with Redfield Widefield 2X7 scope bought when first introduced by Remington.

Like this one
https://images.gunsinternational.com...1C7CC1428F.jpg
https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImag...wm_3743531.jpg

Nirvana58 10-28-2022 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16557441)
No, no, I have not even seen it in person. Like I said, I wasn’t going to make any purchases until I’ve fired a few different handguns. I was just curious about the Planet’s opinion on 1911s in general. I was unaware that the level of quality could vary so much. The one you posted is beautiful too.

Nothing wrong with getting a 1911. My carry gun is a Kimber 1911 Micro 9. If you like shooting 45 then 1911 is pretty much the golden standard.

Take a look at the Ruger SR1911. Great bang for the buck.

https://ruger.com/products/sr1911/overview.html

Sassy Squatch 10-28-2022 03:40 PM

I typically use a battle-ready German Panzer for deer hunting.

Megatron96 10-28-2022 03:58 PM

Been using a Savage M110 .03-'06 for decades now. More recently I snagged a Ruger Gunsite Scout .308 and it's been great. They're discontinued now, I think, but usually plenty of them to be found used, i believe. Rugged, lightweight and plenty accurate.

LiveSteam 10-28-2022 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16561165)
Remington 700 mountain rifle .30-06 with Redfield Widefield 2X7 scope bought when first introduced by Remington.

Like this one
https://images.gunsinternational.com...1C7CC1428F.jpg
https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImag...wm_3743531.jpg

I love the old Red Widefeild scopes.
Wish I still had one.

srvy 10-28-2022 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16561350)
I love the old Red Widefeild scopes.
Wish I still had one.

I do too and have that 2x7 and another 3x9 lo pro on my Remington 700 classic 300 Weatherby mag.

srvy 10-28-2022 04:39 PM

Oh yeah and never had my Rem 700s ever go off on their own. Remember that 60-minute hit piece that led to law suits galore?

ghak99 10-28-2022 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16561165)
Remington 700 mountain rifle .30-06 with Redfield Widefield 2X7 scope bought when first introduced by Remington.

Like this one
https://images.gunsinternational.com...1C7CC1428F.jpg
https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImag...wm_3743531.jpg

Is yours the version with the two lines at the top of the reticle you line up with the deer's back and belly while moving the magnifier and it gives you the yardage?

My dad has one of those on his 270. It hasn't needed a new zero in at least two decades and I've always thought it was pretty cool.

srvy 10-28-2022 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 16561520)
Is yours the version with the two lines at the top of the reticle you line up with the deer's back and belly while moving the magnifier and it gives you the yardage?

My dad has one of those on his 270. It hasn't needed a new zero in at least two decades and I've always thought it was pretty cool.

Kinda like stadia crosshairs that were the Redfield with accu-trac about 1978. The Redfield accu range was developed for the military in 1966 and was adopted by USMC for their M40 sniper rifle. Both my wide fields were the sought-after Denver Redfields. Those were both cool scopes especially the accu range.

The Low Pro wide fields were designed by a fellow who later went on to co-found Burris Optics. Redfield was bought out by Meade Telescopes who also bought Simmons and Weaver and Tasco I believe. Needless to say they kinda went south on the quality. John Redfield's company got sued out of existence by the EPA for contaminates in the Platte River the reason for the sale to Meade.

LiveSteam 10-28-2022 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16561560)
Kinda like stadia crosshairs that were the Redfield with accu-trac about 1978. The Redfield accu range was developed for the military in 1966 and was adopted by USMC for their M40 sniper rifle. Both my wide fields were the sought-after Denver Redfields. Those were both cool scopes especially the accu range.

The Low Pro wide fields were designed by a fellow who later went on to co-found Burris Optics. Redfield was bought out by Meade Telescopes who also bought Simmons and Weaver and Tasco I believe. Needless to say they kinda went south on the quality. John Redfield's company got sued out of existence by the EPA for contaminates in the Platte River the reason for the sale to Meade.

That's the Redfield I have ,sitting on a 8mm Mauser I cut down and stuck it in Boyd's stock. Hope to hunt wolves with it some day
I dnt understand how you use the built in range finder and I dnt know any Marines from the the late 60s.
Above the cross hairs are 2 lines and below the croshairs is a stick with measurements that go from 200 to 600.
Some how you line a target up with the lines above and then I think you turn the zoom tell ??? T
That's what I'm not sure of.

Edit// just broke out the 8mm. When you zoom in and out, the stick with the numbers on it, zooms in and out too
It's a 2x7x? No 3rd number. Zoom is 1-7
Its a small scope. Both ends are round not rectangle.

srvy 10-28-2022 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16561676)
That's the Redfield I have ,sitting on a 8mm Mauser I cut down and stuck it in Boyd's stock. Hope to hunt wolves with it some day
I dnt understand how you use the built in range finder and I dnt know any Marines from the the late 60s.
Above the cross hairs are 2 lines and below the croshairs is a stick with measurements that go from 200 to 600.
Some how you line a target up with the lines above and then I think you turn the zoom tell ??? T
That's what I'm not sure of.

Edit// just broke out the 8mm. When you zoom in and out, the stick with the numbers on it, zooms in and out too
It's a 2x7x? No 3rd number. Zoom is 1-7
Its a small scope. Both ends are round not rectangle.

Maybe this will help.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...Bfor%2Bweb.pdf

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...Trac+Guide.pdf

LiveSteam 10-28-2022 11:47 PM

Nice find man. Thanks..

srvy 10-29-2022 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16561820)
Nice find man. Thanks..

I found this for the Redfield accu range years during the Leopold ownership years. The 2 dot system.

https://riflescopesinfo.wordpress.co...range-reticle/

penguinz 10-29-2022 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16557718)
It's a Turkish 1911 made by Tissa.
You'll be happy with it. If you buy it?

A quick YouTube search and you'll find Hickok 45 out banging away on his range with one.

Hickok 45 is a fun watch.

penguinz 10-29-2022 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16558160)
Probably your fliers are the result of just not being completely familiar with your sights. However, without actually seeing you shoot, it could be one or several of many things.

You'd ideally want to keep your pattern tighter than that, or at least without the fliers. That takes a lot of trigger time.

You might want to consider a laser training system. It'll save you time and money. The link below is a list of the better laser trainers available.

https://www.cchit.org/laser-firearm-training-system/

I'm familiar with the Mantix system. That or the GSight are the ones I'd recommend, but others may be familiar with others they like. i like these systems because they allow you to actually use the same gun you'll be using, not some replica with a different trigger, sights, etc. Also these two allow you to practice at home in your den or whatever, so no need to schedule range time, drive time, whatever. And considering the current cost of ammo, it'll pay for itself after just 300 trigger pulls or so.

And they definitely work. My buddy bought the Mantix system and went from a B-/C+ shooter to a consistent A-/A shooter (acuracy-wise) in just a 6-8 weeks, training just 4 times/week about 20 minutes a day. And his speed from shot to shot decreased by almost half in the same time. So these things not only help improve your accuracy but your target acquisition as well.

I have been considering the Mantis X10 Elite. I take it from your post it is well worth the $250?

Megatron96 10-29-2022 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16562350)
I have been considering the Mantis X10 Elite. I take it from your post it is well worth the $250?

Imo, yeah. Take that for what it's worth, of course. There are several good ones out there.

The primary advantage of these things is that they allow you to practice sight alignment, proper trigger manipulation, and quicker target acquisition at home, eliminating the need to spend time and money going to the range and on ammo, which is pretty expensive right now. And these skills all translate to live fire pretty seamlessly.

I mean, you're going to have to work on recoil control with live ammo (there's another way to do this, but it requires another person, and logistically it's just easier for most people to shoot live ammo).

But results I've seen across all skill levels make getting one of these systems a no brainer.

penguinz 10-29-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16562411)
Imo, yeah. Take that for what it's worth, of course. There are several good ones out there.

The primary advantage of these things is that they allow you to practice sight alignment, proper trigger manipulation, and quicker target acquisition at home, eliminating the need to spend time and money going to the range and on ammo, which is pretty expensive right now. And these skills all translate to live fire pretty seamlessly.

I mean, you're going to have to work on recoil control with live ammo (there's another way to do this, but it requires another person, and logistically it's just easier for most people to shoot live ammo).

But results I've seen across all skill levels make getting one of these systems a no brainer.

Appreciate the response. Adding it to the Xmas wish list.

Megatron96 10-29-2022 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16562420)
Appreciate the response. Adding it to the Xmas wish list.

I would also invest in at least a couple lessons with a good instructor. I literally spent a couple decades trying to improve my shooting skills on my own before finally breaking down and taking some lessons.

That was the biggest mistake I made, and I wistfully wonder where my skills would be if I'd just taken the time and spent the money 25 years ago on a couple lessons back then.

Having a pro teach the proper way to grip a gun, sight alignment, trigger control, recoil control, how to acquire the sights faster, etc. would've have saved me tens of thousands of dollars over the years.

Plus, all the guns, sights, and other gimmicks I bought trying to be more accurate and consistent when all I had to do was fix my mechanics? I've kicked myself over that a few times.

And then the laser system will help reinforce everything you learn from an instructor more efficiently, requiring less overall time and money to achieve the same levels of competence at the range.

penguinz 10-29-2022 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16562451)
I would also invest in at least a couple lessons with a good instructor. I literally spent a couple decades trying to improve my shooting skills on my own before finally breaking down and taking some lessons.

That was the biggest mistake I made, and I wistfully wonder where my skills would be if I'd just taken the time and spent the money 25 years ago on a couple lessons back then.

Having a pro teach the proper way to grip a gun, sight alignment, trigger control, recoil control, how to acquire the sights faster, etc. would've have saved me tens of thousands of dollars over the years.

Plus, all the guns, sights, and other gimmicks I bought trying to be more accurate and consistent when all I had to do was fix my mechanics? I've kicked myself over that a few times.

And then the laser system will help reinforce everything you learn from an instructor more efficiently, requiring less overall time and money to achieve the same levels of competence at the range.

I plan on the lessons as well. I have tight placement but I have the habit of low and left I need to get fixed.

Megatron96 10-29-2022 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16562479)
I plan on the lessons as well. I have tight placement but I have the habit of low and left I need to get fixed.

Right handed?

penguinz 10-29-2022 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16562485)
Right handed?

Yup. I have read up on and watched videos on causes but have not had time to work on. Life keeps getting in the way.

Even with free time I feel like lessons with a pro would be a more reliable way to fix the issue.

ghak99 10-29-2022 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16561793)

The Accu-Range is the reticle I was talking about. As a kid, I thought it was the most awesome thing ever.

penguinz 10-29-2022 05:47 PM

Just inherited my grandfather's 1959 Colt frontier Scout.

Going to have to hit the range tomorrow.

Also has a couple boxes of ammo he had purchased a long time ago. Still had the price tag. $1.79 for 50rds.

Shiver Me Timbers 10-29-2022 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16563041)
Just inherited my grandfather's 1959 Colt frontier Scout.

Going to have to hit the range tomorrow.

Also has a couple boxes of ammo he had purchased a long time ago. Still had the price tag. $1.79 for 50rds.

22 mag will cost you 15 bucks a box these days give or take. That gun has always confused me. 22 LR or 22 WMR or both. Maybe it is production year differences.

penguinz 10-29-2022 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers (Post 16563072)
22 mag will cost you 15 bucks a box these days give or take. That gun has always confused me. 22 LR or 22 WMR or both. Maybe it is production year differences.

LR

penguinz 10-29-2022 06:05 PM

Nice leather holster as well.

srvy 10-29-2022 06:08 PM

Nice .22 revolver but I would probably toss the ammo but keep the box.

Shiver Me Timbers 10-29-2022 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16563083)
Nice leather holster as well.

Give it (and the ammo) a good once over if it has not been fired in a while. Have fun and report back.

srvy 10-29-2022 06:12 PM

In the original box with literature and bore brush? If so probably a good amount of money in her.

penguinz 10-30-2022 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16563106)
In the original box with literature and bore brush? If so probably a good amount of money in her.

Unfortunately not. Just the revolver and holster. Looks like it was not fired much.

Going to clean and oil it then hit the range next weekend.

DenverChief 10-30-2022 12:23 PM

Been a while - just recently discovered my love for the 1911 platform

LiveSteam 10-30-2022 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16564230)
Been a while - just recently discovered my love for the 1911 platform

You could come Nebraska for 8 days and take this class and build your own custom 1911. And when you're done. You'll be able to build custom 1911s for others, if you so wish?
https://www.nelsoncustomguns.com/bobschool/

DenverChief 10-30-2022 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16564289)
You could come Nebraska for 8 days and take this class and build your own custom 1911. And when you're done. You'll be able to build custom 1911s for others, if you so wish?
https://www.nelsoncustomguns.com/bobschool/

That is really cool! Thank you for sharing!

Fish 10-31-2022 01:16 AM

So... it's officially bird season in the midwest. I've cleaned my old inherited Remington 1100 Trap series, and it's hitting clay flawlessly. Gotten some good practice over the last few weeks. This gun has a short barrel, so it's super easy to manipulate. My 870 Mag pump is just backup, but it has a mod choke that hits just about similar to the 1100, enough to make it a decent match backup.

https://i.imgur.com/8VhCz7g.jpg

Supposedly the Kansas pheasant and quail is going to suck this year though. Again...

Buehler445 10-31-2022 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16565657)
So... it's officially bird season in the midwest. I've cleaned my old inherited Remington 1100 Trap series, and it's hitting clay flawlessly. Gotten some good practice over the last few weeks. This gun has a short barrel, so it's super easy to manipulate. My 870 Mag pump is just backup, but it has a mod choke that hits just about similar to the 1100, enough to make it a decent match backup.

https://i.imgur.com/8VhCz7g.jpg

Supposedly the Kansas pheasant and quail is going to suck this year though. Again...

Yeah. I’ve barely seen any birds. Even where there is a water source. But it might be local. We had a bunch of ****ing swift fox move in and as I understand they are hard on pheasant.

Raiderhater 10-31-2022 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16565657)
So... it's officially bird season in the midwest. I've cleaned my old inherited Remington 1100 Trap series, and it's hitting clay flawlessly. Gotten some good practice over the last few weeks. This gun has a short barrel, so it's super easy to manipulate. My 870 Mag pump is just backup, but it has a mod choke that hits just about similar to the 1100, enough to make it a decent match backup.

https://i.imgur.com/8VhCz7g.jpg

Supposedly the Kansas pheasant and quail is going to suck this year though. Again...

Dad and I aren’t even planning on going out west for pheasant this year, we’re just going to try for quail in the eastern half of the state. And they do tend to handle dry conditions a bit better BUT, when the drought map looks like this -

https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Curre...onitor.aspx?KS

I’m not super hopeful.

Fish 11-29-2022 10:10 PM

KS pheasant season first 2 opening weekends were pretty abysmal this year. About what I expected though. The drought this year was particularly bad, on top of multiple years of moderate drought. The midwest desperately needs a few really wet years to get the bird population back to meaningful numbers. The last 3 years have been really terrible. Nothing but dust. We got 3 birds the entire weekend. I was lucky enough to bag one. That's between about 10 people. Compared to the old days, that's really sad.

Raiderhater 11-29-2022 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16634732)
KS pheasant season first 2 opening weekends were pretty abysmal this year. About what I expected though. The drought this year was particularly bad, on top of multiple years of moderate drought. The midwest desperately needs a few really wet years to get the bird population back to meaningful numbers. The last 3 years have been really terrible. Nothing but dust. We got 3 birds the entire weekend. I was lucky enough to bag one. That's between about 10 people. Compared to the old days, that's really sad.

That’s about what I have been hearing and reading over all. I am curious though, did you see any quail? From what I’m hearing they have been, not great but, fair to middling’.

Fish 11-29-2022 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 16634749)
That’s about what I have been hearing and reading over all. I am curious though, did you see any quail? From what I’m hearing they have been, not great but, fair to middling’.

Afraid not. I've also heard that the quail population is supposed to be rebounding. I saw several last year, but didn't see a single one this year.

Back in high school in the midwest, around 1993-1994, I used to see hundreds of them...

Buehler445 11-29-2022 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16634732)
KS pheasant season first 2 opening weekends were pretty abysmal this year. About what I expected though. The drought this year was particularly bad, on top of multiple years of moderate drought. The midwest desperately needs a few really wet years to get the bird population back to meaningful numbers. The last 3 years have been really terrible. Nothing but dust. We got 3 birds the entire weekend. I was lucky enough to bag one. That's between about 10 people. Compared to the old days, that's really sad.

Yeah I’ve barely seen any pheasant at all. My nephew was all excited he had some scouted out, but isn’t telling anyone where. ROFL

It’s bad, folks.
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Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 16634749)
That’s about what I have been hearing and reading over all. I am curious though, did you see any quail? From what I’m hearing they have been, not great but, fair to middling’.

Quail are more susceptible to drought than pheasant. It can’t be good for them out and about.

Raiderhater 11-30-2022 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16634757)
Afraid not. I've also heard that the quail population is supposed to be rebounding. I saw several last year, but didn't see a single one this year.

Back in high school in the midwest, around 1993-1994, I used to see hundreds of them...

I’m sure some areas are going to be better/worse than others.

But yeah, when I was kid around that same time frame we typically didn’t to go very far to find a covey or more when we went out with dad.

Raiderhater 11-30-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 16634766)
Yeah I’ve barely seen any pheasant at all. My nephew was all excited he had some scouted out, but isn’t telling anyone where. ROFL

It’s bad, folks.


Quail are more susceptible to drought than pheasant. It can’t be good for them out and about.

See now, that’s always been my understanding as well but, lately I’ve been hearing the opposite and people reporting an over all better experience in finding quail than with pheasant. So, hell, I don’t know what to believe at this point.

notorious 11-30-2022 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16634732)
KS pheasant season first 2 opening weekends were pretty abysmal this year. About what I expected though. The drought this year was particularly bad, on top of multiple years of moderate drought. The midwest desperately needs a few really wet years to get the bird population back to meaningful numbers. The last 3 years have been really terrible. Nothing but dust. We got 3 birds the entire weekend. I was lucky enough to bag one. That's between about 10 people. Compared to the old days, that's really sad.

We are in year 4 of the 7 year drought cycle in SW Kansas. If history is any indication it should start to get slowly better the next 3-4 years.

And yes, visiting hunters from all over the US that I talked to said it was absolutely pathetic. Hell, I haven't seen more than 5 pheasants the last 6 months, and I live 15 miles from the nearest town.

LiveSteam 11-30-2022 02:26 PM

I can't remember the last time we spooked a covey of quail while out pheasant hunting. Been years.
Back in the late 70s through 90s. You knew you may not flush any Pheasants but you'd flush plenty of quail on a day's hunt.
I've always preferred quail to pheasant at the dinner table.

We still have plenty of cotton tails. Fried Rabbit with a little lemon pepper is dam good eating IMO. So go bust some bunnies

srvy 11-30-2022 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16635823)
I can't remember the last time we spooked a covey of quail while out pheasant hunting. Been years.
Back in the late 70s through 90s. You knew you may not flush any Pheasants but you'd flush plenty of quail on a day's hunt.
I've always preferred quail to pheasant at the dinner table.

We still have plenty of cotton tails. Fried Rabbit with a little lemon pepper is dam good eating IMO. So go bust some bunnies

You cook good rabbit, Pilgram.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gxeh1Ogt63...ing-rabbit.jpg

George Liquor 11-30-2022 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16635823)
I can't remember the last time we spooked a covey of quail while out pheasant hunting. Been years.
Back in the late 70s through 90s. You knew you may not flush any Pheasants but you'd flush plenty of quail on a day's hunt.
I've always preferred quail to pheasant at the dinner table.

We still have plenty of cotton tails. Fried Rabbit with a little lemon pepper is dam good eating IMO. So go bust some bunnies

I remember pheasant hunting with my dad in my elementary school days and them getting tons of quail. Last couple of times I went in my 20s nobody even cared to shoot them.

I miss bird hunting with the old man. Looking forward to opening weekend was one of the biggest joys of my childhood. It was up there with Christmas, the 4th of July and my birthday.

LiveSteam 11-30-2022 03:48 PM

Those 1st few hunts with your Pops.
Just nothing else like it when you're a young kid.
My 1st hunts were out at Camp Ashland Nebraska along the banks of the Platte River hunting rabbits with a 1916 single shot Iver Johnson 16 gauge.
I can still remember missing the first half dozen bunnies.
And him. "Lynn-Boy,You're not leading them enough"
Next bunny I led just enough to clip a back leg. That little rabbit was like shooting an Elk at 8 or 9 years old..
The memory is as fresh today as it was the moment it happened.

Delaney37 12-03-2022 09:15 PM

Not sure if or how many of you guys reload that post in here but now that retirement is on my horizon I'm looking for suggestions for a good starter kit for reloading. Been looking at the RCBS set up. Any suggestions?

HonestChieffan 12-03-2022 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Delaney37 (Post 16641944)
Not sure if or how many of you guys reload that post in here but now that retirement is on my horizon I'm looking for suggestions for a good starter kit for reloading. Been looking at the RCBS set up. Any suggestions?

Ive had RCBS set up for 30 years and they have never made a bad tool. What calibers are you starting out with?

Delaney37 12-03-2022 10:00 PM

https://www.rcbs.com/rcbs-kits/rock-...t/16-9366.html

This is the kit I'm looking at. Want to start with 22 Hornet ammo. My Winchester model 43 loves the 45 grain soft point Remington ammo but getting any factory loads in this caliber anymore is dang near impossible. I've got 20+ years of once fired brass saved up ;)

srvy 12-03-2022 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Delaney37 (Post 16641944)
Not sure if or how many of you guys reload that post in here but now that retirement is on my horizon I'm looking for suggestions for a good starter kit for reloading. Been looking at the RCBS set up. Any suggestions?

Cant go wrong with RCBS also Redding and Hornaday make fine starter packages. Lyman at one time was really good but don't know anymore.

Lee will get you their cheaper but their presses my dad always said was made of pot metal and wear over time with a stress fracture. I don't know if they have changed that.

srvy 12-03-2022 10:29 PM

I am just speaking of single stage reloaders not progressive etc.

kjwood75nro 12-03-2022 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Delaney37 (Post 16641944)
Not sure if or how many of you guys reload that post in here but now that retirement is on my horizon I'm looking for suggestions for a good starter kit for reloading. Been looking at the RCBS set up. Any suggestions?

I own a Lee single-stage and a Dillon RL550c for progressive.

Depending on your budget, it's hard to do better than a blue machine.

Delaney37 12-04-2022 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kjwood75nro (Post 16642060)
I own a Lee single-stage and a Dillon RL550c for progressive.

Depending on your budget, it's hard to do better than a blue machine.

Planning on just starting with a single stage and as I get more comfortable at reloading stepping up to a progressive one. The Dillon is definitely on my radar. Thanks.

LiveSteam 12-04-2022 10:05 AM

Unless the reloading market has changed in the last year?
Good luck finding reloading supplies.. Primers were especially hard to find last year.and if you found a box of a 1000. They were going for 80 to 100 bucks..

Megatron96 12-04-2022 11:58 AM

RCBS single stage is the benchmark for starter kits.

Personally, I think every reloader should have at least one single stage, and everyone should start reloading on a single stage, but I'm a little old school on those points. Lot of people think differently nowadays.

If you think you'll ever need/want to reload several hundred/thousands of rounds a week, look at a turret, like this one from RCBS:
[URL="https://www.rcbs.com/presses/turret/turret-press/16-88901.html"]https://www.rcbs.com/presses/turret/turret-press/16-88901.html[/URL

Around 2.5 times faster than a single once you get used to it, and can also be used as a single stage. Just ever so slightly less precise because of the flex.

I could write pages on this subject, so I'll leave it here. Congrats on starting reloading. It can be pretty fun at times, or at least cathartic most of the time. Just do everyone a favor and don't watch TV while reloading. We prefer our fellow reloaders to have all their fingers at all times.

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 04:53 PM

Got my first wheel gun...

https://ruger.com/productImages/1762/detail/1.jpg

.357 Ruger GP100; 4.2 inch barrel with a nice little hogue/hardwood grip.

Man, I REALLY like this gun. Just a silky smooth mechanism and just enough weight to feel substantial without feeling heavy.

Megatron96 01-11-2023 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16729037)
Got my first wheel gun...

https://ruger.com/productImages/1762/detail/1.jpg

.357 Ruger GP100; 4.2 inch barrel with a nice little hogue/hardwood grip.

Man, I REALLY like this gun. Just a silky smooth mechanism and just enough weight to feel substantial without feeling heavy.

Lol, you got to be kidding me. My favorite all-around revolver. i have three of them; two 4-inchers and a 6. Great guns. Use mine primarily as woods guns, but the 6-incher with a few mods is a pretty good bowling pin gun; more accurate than me past 50 yards. Look at Miculek if you end up looking for a slightly softer mainspring. Between that and a slightly softer trigger return spring you can get it down to about 7.0-7.5 lbs trigger pull; sweet shooter then.

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16729049)
Lol, you got to be kidding me. My favorite all-around revolver. i have three of them; two 4-inchers and a 6. Great guns. Use mine primarily as woods guns, but the 6-incher with a few mods is a pretty good bowling pin gun; more accurate than me past 50 yards. Look at Miculek if you end up looking for a slightly softer mainspring. Between that and a slightly softer trigger return spring you can get it down to about 7.0-7.5 lbs trigger pull; sweet shooter then.

If I have a complaint, that would be it. That trigger pull is a little stiff. But that's not unexpected for a double-action revolver. You want at least a little feedback; last thing you need to do is to blow a hole in your foot because you snagged a trigger on something.

I'm not sure I'd have ever bothered to leave an empty cylinder but that transfer bar does provide a slightly greater level of confidence. Truth be told, I think the idea of accidental discharges are pretty overblown. Sure, it can happen when you have a pen resting on a round like that but c'mon - that's a pretty extraordinary set of circumstances.

poolboy 01-11-2023 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16729037)
Got my first wheel gun...

https://ruger.com/productImages/1762/detail/1.jpg

.357 Ruger GP100; 4.2 inch barrel with a nice little hogue/hardwood grip.

Man, I REALLY like this gun. Just a silky smooth mechanism and just enough weight to feel substantial without feeling heavy.

great choice:thumb: cant go wrong right there

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 05:20 PM

Got a revolver because I was tired of watching my wife point a loaded gun at her stomach trying to pull the slide back on my .40.

The barriers to entry on the revolver are quite a bit lower.

"Here - just grab this from the safe, point it in a general direction and keep pulling the trigger until it clicks. We're done here..."

Gonna get some 38 special wad-cutters to teach her on and frankly I'll probably just leave it loaded with those for home defense. Not as though that's not gonna stop someone if you hit 'em.

Megatron96 01-11-2023 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16729069)
If I have a complaint, that would be it. That trigger pull is a little stiff. But that's not unexpected for a double-action revolver. You want at least a little feedback; last thing you need to do is to blow a hole in your foot because you snagged a trigger on something.

I'm not sure I'd have ever bothered to leave an empty cylinder but that transfer bar does provide a slightly greater level of confidence. Truth be told, I think the idea of accidental discharges are pretty overblown. Sure, it can happen when you have a pen resting on a round like that but c'mon - that's a pretty extraordinary set of circumstances.

Never had a single issue with my GPs. owned one for at least 30 years. That one now has about 6.5lb trigger pull by virtue of just pulling the trigger 30,000+ times. But the Miculek aftermarket springs basically give you the same pull for about $25(I think) and ten minutes to switch them in/out. Gunsprings.com is another place that has good springs, even have the Miculek ones i think, or used to.

Ever want to talk sights/mods/bullet recipes, I'll enjoy that conversation.

Megatron96 01-11-2023 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16729078)
Got a revolver because I was tired of watching my wife point a loaded gun at her stomach trying to pull the slide back on my .40.

The barriers to entry on the revolver are quite a bit lower.

"Here - just grab this from the safe, point it in a general direction and keep pulling the trigger until it clicks. We're done here..."

Gonna get some 38 special wad-cutters to teach her on and frankly I'll probably just leave it loaded with those for home defense. Not as though that's not gonna stop someone if you hit 'em.

IF, your wife can't get comfortable with the revolver (some women/smaller people with smaller hands can't get used to the longish trigger pull), look at S&W EZ series. They lightened the recoil spring specifically for people with weak hands; my 84-year old mom with arthritis can work that slide properly. She just can't hit anything with a handgun, lol. And the grip is pretty small, so easier to reach all the controls and trigger press for thos with smaller hands.

GloryDayz 01-11-2023 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16729037)
Got my first wheel gun...

https://ruger.com/productImages/1762/detail/1.jpg

.357 Ruger GP100; 4.2 inch barrel with a nice little hogue/hardwood grip.

Man, I REALLY like this gun. Just a silky smooth mechanism and just enough weight to feel substantial without feeling heavy.

Hell yes!!!! OUTSTANDING!!!

LiveSteam 01-18-2023 02:56 PM

I'm gonna need one.

https://youtu.be/KWt_x22nwjk

srvy 01-27-2023 05:55 PM

Oh hell yes! Can't wait to see how many pennies I need to pinch when these come out on PSA for sale.

Delaney37 01-27-2023 11:34 PM

https://www.hmgunworks.com/product/h...mgewehr-stg-n/

HMG was selling them for $1799. Will interesting what all PSA will have in their Battlefield line.

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