Yoda, the proverbial "King" of the Jedi, died in isolation on some swamp planet in his little hut and then later came back as a force ghost.

I don't understand why so many think TLJ is such a monstrous departure from what Star Wars was. You can go right down the line of major complaints:

- No backstory on Snoke? What was the emporer's backstory? I remember as a kid always wondering WTF happened to his face! I don't remember anyone being all butt-hurt about the fact we didn't know. Then 30 years later, we found out and it was kinda cool to finally get that piece filled in.

- Snoke would have seen through Ren's intent with the lightsaber? The emporer didn't when vader, with one freakin' arm, picked him up and threw him over the balcony.

- Rey being strong in the force with no training? In Luke's first moments with a lightsaber in his hand and his second attempt in using the force, he is able to deflect - BLINDFOLDED - three laser blasts. At least Rey has been using and fighting for her survival all of her life with a lightsaber-ish type of weapon. Luke was an f'ing farmer!

- Luke abandoning the fight and hiding in Isolation? Yoda and Obi-wan did the same in Episode III.

- Luke deciding to not go with Rey at the end, but rather "fight back" in a different way? Kinda like when he throws his lightsaber away in ROTJ and defeats the emperor by tugging on the heartstrings of his daddy?

- Rey's no-body parents? Who were Anakin's parents? Shmi? A slave.

etc. etc.

If I had my way, none of the anti-capitalism BS, etc. would be in there either. Keep your liberal bullshit politics out of Star Wars please. But I'm fine with them making the hero a chick, I'm fine with them having her buddy be a black dude, whatever, whatever, it honestly didn't even really occur to me that they were forcing this new all-inclusive cast. There are all sorts of species walking around in SW universe, I'm supposed to be surprised by some ethnicity and gender shifts from one trilogy to the next?

I grew up on Star Wars. It was my first passion - and I don't feel betrayed by what Disney has created so far. They aren't perfect, maybe not even close, but I don't think they are worthy of the vitriol they are receiving. I hope what they get out of this fervor, is to keep the politics of the directors out of the movies. Period. But I hope they don't pull the plug for another 30 years because the "super-fans" scared them back into their shells. I've enjoyed having new SW films to look forward to. The news that they are considering pulling the obi-wan story, and the bobba fett story, and I assume the other trilogies, is a bummer.

oddly enough, this is what many people were calling for. Or rather what they thought they wanted. I remember a group of us waiting in line talking about how cool it was going to be to watch a young Yoda kicking ass. Turned out really awful.

I therefore was really nervous about TLJ for the same reason. I never thought Luke was all that great of a light-saber fighter to begin with. Compare his battles to the ones you see between obi-wan and maul. Not even close. So for an old Luke to come back and just completely wreck shit to me was going to be too close to the yoda somersaulting fiasco. I liked how Luke went out. To me, it was exactly in tune with his character. Only thing I didn't like about the ending scene was when he did the shoulder brush off thing. Seemed campy to me and would have been more powerful if he'd have just walked out and waited patiently.

So what you're saying is, in best defense to the haters, that the best we can say is these movies are carbon-copy ripoffs of earlier ones. :shrug:

The inherent problem is that none of this "mythology" really warranted keeping a storyline alive for umpteen movies. Lucas hit gold with the first film in 1977 by stealing a western samurai romance plot and covering it in outer-space trappings and cutting-edge (for the time) effects. But, honestly, the Star Wars world doesn't have anything going for it that warrants continuous re-telling and continuous new movies. "Star Trek" had underlying themes of exploration and humanity seeking out other cultures. The Marvel universe tells stories of different beings with different powers and backstories. "Star Wars" just has lightsabers and pew-pew-pew going for it. I was 10 years old when the first film came out, and it will always be my favorite film ever, but there was nothing there to call for so many sequels telling the same stories with the same plot devices.

The movie brought in less than $2m domestic last week. With Rogue One, once it grossed under $2m domestic in a week, it made only about $3m more total domestically. Right now, Solo is at about $212 domestic. So, even if it were to double up on Rogue One's success from this point on, it would still fall shy of $220m domestic, after Rogue One brought in $532 domestic. The domestic drop off from Rogue One to Solo will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $312+m, which means that the domestic drop off will be somewhere around $92+m more than Solo will gross.

And the foreign box is all but done, as well.


Huge drop from TFA to TLJ
Huge drop from Rogue One to Solo

Kennedy is running the franchise into the ground.

Had the trailers been more representative of the movie, I think Rogue One would have done much, much better. It's a fantastic movie, but the trailer was almost like it was for a totally different movie. Wish I had seen it in theaters, but own it and have watched a few times at home now.

I don't really remember thinking the trailers were that off. What kind of vibe did you get from the trailers vs. the actual movie?

Rented this for later tonight, prepared to be disappointed but hoping I like it more than the critics did

Shit, I forgot this was out. Need to pick it up on bluray.

I felt they focused far too much on Forrest Whitaker and a gimpy line from him that sounded like they ripped it off of the tv show Heroes.

Watched this again today. I liked it even more than I remembered.

More than any of the new movies, Solo really captures the feeling of the original. It's fun. It's swashbuckling. It has likable characters. No heavy handed bullshit or obvious agenda pushing.

Pretty much the diametric opposite of the VIII.

I don't know if it will ever happen now, but I'd much rather see Solo II than Episode IX.

As previously noted, I loved the movie.

This. If Solo had come out before Last Jedi, it would have made a shit ton more money. It is unfortunate that the film had to suffer the backlash for Last Jedi being so bad.

I liked Solo quite a bit.

I wish they didn’t force some things, though. Overall a very entertaining movie which pulled me in and not once did I want to do something else.

Again, it's just too bad it was riding the wake of the TLJ disaster. It's a legit fun movie.

Not sure if any sequels are in the pipe, but it would have been fun to watch a young Solo and Chewie team up with the Mother of Dragons to take on Darth Maul in the gangster world.

I wonder how they managed to let that time line ****up happen with Maul? If you've been following Rebels and Clone Wars you can see that it clearly doesn't add up.