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Raiderhater 08-15-2022 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16413554)
On guns you need an FFL but ammo ships direct to you as long as you are 21.
My apologies, I thought you were talking about guns.

I have and do buy ammo online but, it is nice to just walk in and pick up what I need to replenish from the last hunt to be ready for the next* instead of waiting on shipping.

*Not that I don’t have more on hand but, I like to keep it at a certain level, especially these days when you never know when it’s going to be hard to find again.

srvy 08-15-2022 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 16413575)
My apologies, I thought you were talking about guns.

I have and do buy ammo online but, it is nice to just walk in and pick up what I need to replenish from the last hunt to be ready for the next* instead of waiting on shipping.

*Not that I don’t have more on hand but, I like to keep it at a certain level, especially these days when you never know when it’s going to be hard to find again.
I am with you on the pick-up as needed locally. I would suggest a shotshell reloading machine but that's a rabbit hole that's not as easy as it once was without onhand stock.

LiveSteam 08-15-2022 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 16413528)
Like I said, the 16 and 28 shells were about the only thing I was finding on the shelves here for around two years but, now that production on the 12 seems to be in the early phases of catching up, I saw no 16 today (though they certainly had the guns to shoot them in stock) and a handful of 28.

A lighter gun for carrying in the field was one of the reasons I wanted an O/U; my old model 1100 is still a perfectly fine gun but, it does get heavy on those treks through heavy grass and up and down hills. It is also a little too easy to waste a shot or two on stupid shots/desperate shots with that 5 round semi-auto. But, just as important as the first point, I just like the look of an O/U.

What’s the bird forecast for Nebraska this year? Have you you all been as dry as we have down here?
Been bad around here for a long time.
Very rarely see quail around anymore. Pheasants are slim to none.
If I go out for Pheasants . I go knocking on farm doors that are within 3miles of a Pheasants Forever club.
The escapees from such clubs, keep the population up around them.

Nebraska removed almost all it plumb thickets along its dirt roads ,probably 20 years ago or so. It really messed up the quail population and pheasant

Raiderhater 08-15-2022 04:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16413589)
I am with you on the pick-up as needed locally. I would suggest a shotshell reloading machine but that's a rabbit hole that's not as easy as it once was without onhand stock.
I mentioned earlier about initially saving my points for something different and that something different is reloading. I just don’t really have a place to set it up at the moment and, as you say, availability to actually make any kind of ammo is still tough right now. Seeing as how I didn’t use my points today it’s still an option here at some point.

Raiderhater 08-15-2022 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16413691)
Been bad around here for a long time.
Very rarely see quail around anymore. Pheasants are slim to none.
If I go out for Pheasants . I go knocking on farm doors that are within 3miles of a Pheasants Forever club.
The escapees from such clubs, keep the population up around them.

Nebraska removed almost all it plumb thickets along its dirt roads ,probably 20 years ago or so. It really messed up the quail population and pheasant
Yeah, habitat, or lack there of, has been a long growing issue down here as well. Throw in the drought this year and it isn’t looking too promising for most of the state. Dad has decided we won’t even go out west for pheasant this year, we’ll stick to the eastern part of the state and try to run down some quail coveys. It’d likely be a waste of time trying to chase down the few that are out there, and irresponsible as well - no sense in further decimating the population and making a come back even harder. The state should really lower the bag limits this year but, I’ll wager they won’t.

LiveSteam 08-15-2022 04:33 PM
Sorry to hear about your Pops.
If you're as close to him as I was to mine.
Watching them get old. Not fun.

Speaking of drought. The Platte river has run dry in many counties in Nebraska.
That ain't ever happened in my lifetime.

Turkey. We got so Got Dam many them. States being over run with them.
Once again. Their were no wild Turkeys around this part of Nebraska growing up..you had to hunt South Dakota for Turkey

Fish 08-15-2022 04:39 PM
I wouldn't seek out a new 16ga in this day and age. 12ga is a superior shotgun in every single category save weight. Good 16ga ammo isn't very easily found, despite it being more available during the pandemic ammo shortage. It's only there because demand is basically non existent. I own a 16ga, but only because it was a hand-me-down, and that's the caliber you give to teenagers learning to hunt. Haven't shot it since high school.

That CZ Drake is a fine shotgun. You'll like that. A friend has one, and he shoots very well with it. CZ USA is headquartered right here in KC too.

raybec 4 08-15-2022 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16413745)
I wouldn't seek out a new 16ga in this day and age. 12ga is a superior shotgun in every single category save weight. Good 16ga ammo isn't very easily found, despite it being more available during the pandemic ammo shortage. It's only there because demand is basically non existent. I own a 16ga, but only because it was a hand-me-down, and that's the caliber you give to teenagers learning to hunt. Haven't shot it since high school.

That CZ Drake is a fine shotgun. You'll like that. A friend has one, and he shoots very well with it. CZ USA is headquartered right here in KC too.
I bought my daughter the CZ Redhead for her 21st birthday. It's a really nice gun and she loves it.

Fish 08-15-2022 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 16413500)
I’ve never bought online simply because I’ve never taken the time to research FFL dealers and their fees. I suppose one of these days I should quit being lazy and get on that.

I did think about Rodgers but, thought I’d start off closer to home before driving all the way up there. It worked out, I found what I was looking for, I just didn’t get to save any money using my Cabela’s points. Meh, oh well.
FFL purchase is much simpler than you would imagine. Fees are usually $20-50 depending on where you go. My FFL charges $35 for your first gun, then $25 for repeat customers. Process takes about 15 minutes. If you're curious, get on gunbroker and search FFLs in your area: https://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/index

That will also tell you how much they charge, regardless of where you buy from.

Raiderhater 08-15-2022 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16413737)
Sorry to hear about your Pops.
If you're as close to him as I was to mine.
Watching them get old. Not fun.

Speaking of drought. The Platte river has run dry in many counties in Nebraska.
That ain't ever happened in my lifetime.

Turkey. We got so Got Dam many them. States being over run with them.
Once again. Their were no wild Turkeys around this part of Nebraska growing up..you had to hunt South Dakota for Turkey
Dad’s still in pretty good health for turning 73 this year but, yeah, there is definitely a slow down that has occurred. He’ll still walk some miles through fields if there are birds to be found though.

I would hunt turkey but, it’s the same issue I have with duck and deer hunting, I cannot sit still in a blind or stand waiting for some game that may not even come. Quail and pheasant hunting means movement wether there are birds there or not.

Raiderhater 08-15-2022 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16413745)
I wouldn't seek out a new 16ga in this day and age. 12ga is a superior shotgun in every single category save weight. Good 16ga ammo isn't very easily found, despite it being more available during the pandemic ammo shortage. It's only there because demand is basically non existent. I own a 16ga, but only because it was a hand-me-down, and that's the caliber you give to teenagers learning to hunt. Haven't shot it since high school.

That CZ Drake is a fine shotgun. You'll like that. A friend has one, and he shoots very well with it. CZ USA is headquartered right here in KC too.
They are just a few minutes up the road from where I live. I actually tried hiring on with them several years back but, never heard anything from them.

Raiderhater 08-15-2022 05:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16413759)
FFL purchase is much simpler than you would imagine. Fees are usually $20-50 depending on where you go. My FFL charges $35 for your first gun, then $25 for repeat customers. Process takes about 15 minutes. If you're curious, get on gunbroker and search FFLs in your area: https://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/index

That will also tell you how much they charge, regardless of where you buy from.
I didn’t realize gb had a list of FFLs WITH their fees. It’s the calling around inquiring about the fees that have kept me from going that route. It’s not difficult, I just hate making a bunch of calls. An up to date list including fees is a game changer.

Reroka 08-15-2022 05:43 PM
I am willing to sell my model 1866 yellow boy. Has to be shipped to an flag dealer so they can run background check but I’m willing to entertain offers. I have to really check the value but last time I check I was told between 10k and 30k

Mephistopheles Janx 09-17-2022 10:56 AM
I currently own a unique SKS (and a considerable amount of ammo though I don't know how much off hand... would have to go look).

Gun - Chinese SKS (milled in either 19571959 from Factory 26 with all matching and low S/N including on the original stock which is 5 shots away from being kindling).

I know SKS firearms have a *WIDE* range in value depending on their condition, manufacturer, and whether it is a milled or stamped gun. I've got this on a super nice laminate stock.

What the **** is this thing worth these days?

https://i.imgur.com/0JMm7W4.jpg

Chief Roundup 09-17-2022 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 16471853)
I currently own a unique SKS (and a considerable amount of ammo though I don't know how much off hand... would have to go look).

Gun - Chinese SKS (milled in either 19571959 from Factory 26 with all matching and low S/N including on the original stock which is 5 shots away from being kindling).

I know SKS firearms have a *WIDE* range in value depending on their condition, manufacturer, and whether it is a milled or stamped gun. I've got this on a super nice laminate stock.

What the **** is this thing worth these days?

https://i.imgur.com/0JMm7W4.jpg
I hope that is not an SKS Sportster.

Mephistopheles Janx 09-17-2022 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 16471874)
I hope that is not an SKS Sportster.
It is not.

LiveSteam 09-17-2022 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 16471853)
I currently own a unique SKS (and a considerable amount of ammo though I don't know how much off hand... would have to go look).

Gun - Chinese SKS (milled in either 19571959 from Factory 26 with all matching and low S/N including on the original stock which is 5 shots away from being kindling).

I know SKS firearms have a *WIDE* range in value depending on their condition, manufacturer, and whether it is a milled or stamped gun. I've got this on a super nice laminate stock.

What the **** is this thing worth these days?

https://i.imgur.com/0JMm7W4.jpg
https://truegunvalue.com/rifle/norin...ical-value-510
Recently sold chicoms. Click..View sold details and scroll through it
You'll have no problems selling the ammo separately if need be

Also looks like a Boyd's sporter laminated stock with cheek riser on it.

Mephistopheles Janx 09-21-2022 05:23 PM
Ok... so, I did a thing.

I bought this device. I was going to wait to buy it but Amazon had a $80 off coupon and I couldn't keep from pulling the trigger.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I watched a lot of videos on youtube regarding these devices but this is the one that convinced me to, at least, try it out and see if I can spot coyotes with it. He had this set up on a .223 which is the same caliber which my unit will be mounted to.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kSsfeBd1Eug" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Mephistopheles Janx 09-27-2022 06:25 PM
Got the NV set up in the mail today. Made it from China all the way here in less than a week. ****ing impressive. It has an SD card slot so if it all works... I'll be able to post up videos of coyotes being killed.

Got it mounted on the scope and the crosshairs are a bit off... gotta play around with it a bit. At first glance, everything seems to be working as expected. Gonna peek out at the hayfield tonight and see just how much I can see out there when it is pretty damn pitch black.

Still gotta get the scope mount for it.

https://i.imgur.com/vOyGIOI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CXJNmx5.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZGKe7Ul.jpg

GloryDayz 09-27-2022 08:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 16493124)
Got the NV set up in the mail today. Made it from China all the way here in less than a week. ****ing impressive. It has an SD card slot so if it all works... I'll be able to post up videos of coyotes being killed.

Got it mounted on the scope and the crosshairs are a bit off... gotta play around with it a bit. At first glance, everything seems to be working as expected. Gonna peek out at the hayfield tonight and see just how much I can see out there when it is pretty damn pitch black.

Still gotta get the scope mount for it.

https://i.imgur.com/vOyGIOI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CXJNmx5.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZGKe7Ul.jpg
Hell yes... LIKE!!!

GloryDayz 09-27-2022 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 16493124)
Got the NV set up in the mail today. Made it from China all the way here in less than a week. ****ing impressive. It has an SD card slot so if it all works... I'll be able to post up videos of coyotes being killed.

Got it mounted on the scope and the crosshairs are a bit off... gotta play around with it a bit. At first glance, everything seems to be working as expected. Gonna peek out at the hayfield tonight and see just how much I can see out there when it is pretty damn pitch black.

Still gotta get the scope mount for it.

https://i.imgur.com/vOyGIOI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CXJNmx5.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZGKe7Ul.jpg
Link? I may want to buy one for my 4-round, pump, Red Rider BB gun I've asked for for Xmas...

Mephistopheles Janx 09-27-2022 09:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 16493288)
Link? I may want to buy one for my 4-round, pump, Red Rider BB gun I've asked for for Xmas...
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V3X99D4...roduct_details

GloryDayz 09-27-2022 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 16493336)
Rep

Mephistopheles Janx 09-27-2022 09:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 16493341)
Rep
I could see down to the goat pens with absolutely no issues. Black as night without the unit attached to the scope.

There is an app that will allow me to see what the scope sees on my phone so I'll be able to take, literal, screen shots until I get the card part of it sorted. I'll mess with it more when my scope mount arrives and I get it all dialed in.

GloryDayz 09-27-2022 10:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 16493370)
I could see down to the goat pens with absolutely no issues. Black as night without the unit attached to the scope.



There is an app that will allow me to see what the scope sees on my phone so I'll be able to take, literal, screen shots until I get the card part of it sorted. I'll mess with it more when my scope mount arrives and I get it all dialed in.
Nice. Should be a fun addition.

Mephistopheles Janx 09-28-2022 01:18 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZHbBWz-4FMY" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

GloryDayz 09-28-2022 03:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 16493484)
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZHbBWz-4FMY" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Outstanding...

Mephistopheles Janx 09-30-2022 12:43 PM
The tripod gets here tomorrow... I'll take some video and see what comes of it. But for now, I got the scope mounted.

It looks... kind of ridiculous. LOL I needed every centimeter of that cantilevered mount along with every bit of the telescoping stock. Thankfully I'm a big dude and the reach isn't an issue for me.

https://i.imgur.com/HHGwSuA.jpg

LiveSteam 09-30-2022 05:03 PM
As long as that butt pad is held on by screws?
That's an easy fix if shooting with not enough length of pull or eye relief becomes a unpleasant issue.

Buehler445 09-30-2022 05:17 PM
Nice MJ

Fish 10-01-2022 12:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 16497759)
The tripod gets here tomorrow... I'll take some video and see what comes of it. But for now, I got the scope mounted.

It looks... kind of ridiculous. LOL I needed every centimeter of that cantilevered mount along with every bit of the telescoping stock. Thankfully I'm a big dude and the reach isn't an issue for me.

https://i.imgur.com/HHGwSuA.jpg
Good looking gun. That's like 2 feet of scope. :D But the videos look great as far as view. Please post some results. **** those coyotes.

srvy 10-01-2022 01:22 PM
It will be interesting how that extension without a base will affect the accuracy of quick repeating shots.

srvy 10-01-2022 04:13 PM
It will probably be ok in a .223 my 300 Weatherby mag is like shouldering a log splitter.

Otter 10-14-2022 02:33 PM
Anyone got an extra $300k burning a hole in their pocket?

https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/...grail-gun.html

https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/...0-11_145_1.jpg

Buehler445 10-14-2022 02:49 PM
Holy balls.

Perineum Ripper 10-14-2022 05:28 PM
Doesn’t have original grips, give the about tree fity

Mephistopheles Janx 10-15-2022 08:16 PM
The PARD NV007 with a target at 25 yards. Will be moving it out to 70 yards tomorrow and trying it again.

<blockquote class="imgur-embed-pub" lang="en" data-id="a/Qbrh1dD" ><a href="//imgur.com/a/Qbrh1dD">PARD NV007 Night Vision mounted on a Ruger AR-556</a></blockquote><script async src="//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fish 10-22-2022 09:35 PM
My nephew just took his first deer. Youth season. Proud uncle. .243.

https://i.imgur.com/VdlPsmw.jpg

GloryDayz 10-23-2022 04:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16547629)
My nephew just took his first deer. Youth season. Proud uncle. .243.

https://i.imgur.com/VdlPsmw.jpg
Outstanding.

Otter 10-23-2022 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16547629)
My nephew just took his first deer. Youth season. Proud uncle. .243.

https://i.imgur.com/VdlPsmw.jpg
Nice shot placement. Could have been a tiny bit more horizontally towards center mass but now we're splitting hairs. Also the shot placement looks like it may have been looking straight at him.</br></br> Sometime tells me it won't be his last.

Fish 10-24-2022 12:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Otter (Post 16549270)
Nice shot placement. Could have been a tiny bit more horizontally towards center mass but now we're splitting hairs. Also the shot placement looks like it may have been looking straight at him.</br></br> Sometime tells me it won't be his last.
Honestly, considering his skill level and experience, I'm super impressed with his shooting. Didn't expect this. Little guy really stepped up and made a great shot. His older brothers put in a lot of effort to make this really easy for him. Regardless, I couldn't be happier. Great learning experience. He had to field dress his own deer too. Unfortunately, I wasn't there for that.

Fish 10-24-2022 12:22 AM
This is an old video. But this is me field dressing a doe in less than 5 minutes. Was giving my other nephew a how-to at the time.

<iframe width="1080" height="1920" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ELAH7_OtUOU" title="Field Dressing a Deer" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

GloryDayz 10-24-2022 08:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16550244)
This is an old video. But this is me field dressing a doe in less than 5 minutes. Was giving my other nephew a how-to at the time.

<iframe width="1080" height="1920" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ELAH7_OtUOU" title="Field Dressing a Deer" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Outstanding...

Fish 10-25-2022 01:07 AM
I put a decent Riton micro red dot on my Canik Elite SC. As well as a Baldr mini. Really happy with the way this setup works. Weight is balanced perfectly. 12rd mag pictured here, but I've also got 2 15rd mags. Super easy to shoot.

https://i.imgur.com/U0uz8oi.jpg

ChiefsHawk 10-25-2022 05:44 AM
Anyone here ever use a Burris Eliminator scope? I use the Oracle X on my crossbow and love it. Was curious of anyones thoughts.

Fish 10-25-2022 09:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsHawk (Post 16552799)
Anyone here ever use a Burris Eliminator scope? I use the Oracle X on my crossbow and love it. Was curious of anyones thoughts.
I'm a big fan of Burris optics. But that one is a bit too expensive for me. If you want a really easy long range optic and have plenty of gun money, this would be it though. A friend of my hunting buddy has a Eliminator 3, and says it's really amazing. That said the version 5 looks absolutely bananas even compared to that. It's as expensive as 4+ rifles. But still...

<iframe width="810" height="456" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-jWZgieF51I" title="Introducing the Burris Eliminator 5" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

ghak99 10-26-2022 10:05 AM
I've looked through a 3, but didn't shoot it. Guy said he loved it for prairie dogs. I didn't really enjoy how busy the reticle was.

If you've got rewards to burn you can buy the 4 for the price of the 3 right now at Cabelas.

ThaVirus 10-26-2022 10:21 AM
I don't know much about guns, but I have been looking into getting one, or more, for self-defense purposes. Better to have and not need..

I've already determined that I'll get a 12 gauge at some point for home defense. Seems like the Remington 870 is cheap, easy to maintain and perfect for what I'm looking for.

But lately I've been considering pistols as well.

I like the look of the 1911. From my understand, it was once military issue so I'd imagine they're pretty reliable. What's CP's opinion on them? Obviously I will shoot one myself to see how it feels, just curious about opinions.

Also, revolvers. What are the advantages/disadvantages of revolvers vs semi-autos? Any particular revolver CPers prefer to others? FTR, I think I'd prefer one with a shorter barrel.

ThaVirus 10-26-2022 10:25 AM
I'm also having a bit of a philosophical debate with myself.

I freely admit I am interested in this silver (or chrome, whatever) 1911 I came across simply because it looks cool.

Should I want a gun because it looks cool? It's only for self-defense so it's not something I'd ever want anyone to see.

For the gun enthusiasts here, how much does your opinion on the look of a gun play into your purchases?

raybec 4 10-26-2022 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16555410)
I don't know much about guns, but I have been looking into getting one, or more, for self-defense purposes. Better to have and not need..

I've already determined that I'll get a 12 gauge at some point for home defense. Seems like the Remington 870 is cheap, easy to maintain and perfect for what I'm looking for.

But lately I've been considering pistols as well.

I like the look of the 1911. From my understand, it was once military issue so I'd imagine they're pretty reliable. What's CP's opinion on them? Obviously I will shoot one myself to see how it feels, just curious about opinions.

Also, revolvers. What are the advantages/disadvantages of revolvers vs semi-autos? Any particular revolver CPers prefer to others? FTR, I think I'd prefer one with a shorter barrel.
If you are a complete novice a revolver is a really good idea. They are much easier to operate and won't jam. The issue is capacity. I really like having 15 rounds to put on target but if you aren't comfortable with a semi auto you really need to spend considerable time practicing for failure so you can be comfortable if you ever need to use it.

raybec 4 10-26-2022 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16555416)
I'm also having a bit of a philosophical debate with myself.

I freely admit I am interested in this silver (or chrome, whatever) 1911 I came across simply because it looks cool.

Should I want a gun because it looks cool? It's only for self-defense so it's not something I'd ever want anyone to see.

For the gun enthusiasts here, how much does your opinion on the look of a gun play into your purchases?
looks matter to me but the feel and function are far more important.

Buehler445 10-26-2022 10:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16555410)
I don't know much about guns, but I have been looking into getting one, or more, for self-defense purposes. Better to have and not need..

I've already determined that I'll get a 12 gauge at some point for home defense. Seems like the Remington 870 is cheap, easy to maintain and perfect for what I'm looking for.

But lately I've been considering pistols as well.

I like the look of the 1911. From my understand, it was once military issue so I'd imagine they're pretty reliable. What's CP's opinion on them? Obviously I will shoot one myself to see how it feels, just curious about opinions.

Also, revolvers. What are the advantages/disadvantages of revolvers vs semi-autos? Any particular revolver CPers prefer to others? FTR, I think I'd prefer one with a shorter barrel.
I have an 870. It’s a couple decades old but I’d recommend it.

As far as pistols I can’t recommend enough to find a way to shoot some. There is so much variability in the way pistols shoot it’s hard to explain to a novice.

If you’re looking self defense, it doesn’t matter what you get proficiency through practice is what matters, regardless of the gun. Otherwise you’ll just be blowing a hole I know yourself or a loved one.

Buehler445 10-26-2022 10:43 AM
Oh. And looks don’t matter to me. Only the shooting experience. Shooting a nice smooth operating weapon and getting rounds on target is so much fun, it gives me so much more utility than looking at a cool gun.

Fish 10-26-2022 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16555410)
I don't know much about guns, but I have been looking into getting one, or more, for self-defense purposes. Better to have and not need..

I've already determined that I'll get a 12 gauge at some point for home defense. Seems like the Remington 870 is cheap, easy to maintain and perfect for what I'm looking for.

But lately I've been considering pistols as well.

I like the look of the 1911. From my understand, it was once military issue so I'd imagine they're pretty reliable. What's CP's opinion on them? Obviously I will shoot one myself to see how it feels, just curious about opinions.

Also, revolvers. What are the advantages/disadvantages of revolvers vs semi-autos? Any particular revolver CPers prefer to others? FTR, I think I'd prefer one with a shorter barrel.
If you're inexperienced, then a simple shotgun would be your best bet for sure. Can't go wrong with the 870.

For pistols, I'd recommend looking up local shooting ranges. Many will rent guns on location, so you can try a few different ones and see what works for you. I'm not a huge fan of the 1911 outside of nostalgic purposes. 7 round mag, so you don't have a ton of capacity. But if it's just for a home defense gun that you'll likely never have to use, it's not that big of a deal. Whatever you get, just practice with it a bunch and focus on safe handling.

LiveSteam 10-26-2022 11:22 AM
Biggest difference between a automatic pistol and a revolver in a home defense situation.
Revolvers do not jam.

BleedingRed 10-26-2022 11:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16555585)
Biggest difference between a automatic pistol and a revolver in a home defense situation.
Revolvers do not jam.
But they do take longer to reload....

LiveSteam 10-26-2022 11:47 AM
Thats true.

raybec 4 10-26-2022 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16555589)
But they do take longer to reload....
Definitely true, however the odds that you will be facing a true "gun fight" in a home defense situation are pretty slim IMO. Once rounds start going down range most of your basic shit bird burglars are going to beat feet.

penguinz 10-26-2022 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16555585)
Biggest difference between a automatic pistol and a revolver in a home defense situation.
Revolvers do not jam.
True, but a good pistol is not going to jam often either. I have put several thousand rds through my Sig M18 and have had only one jam and that was from a box of very cheap range brass.

Shiver Me Timbers 10-26-2022 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16555410)
I don't know much about guns, but I have been looking into getting one, or more, for self-defense purposes. Better to have and not need.................

I've already determined that I'll get a 12 gauge at some point for home defense. Seems like the Remington 870 is cheap, easy to maintain and perfect for what I'm looking for.
This is what I have behind the night stand
https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/others/shockwave.html

ThaVirus 10-26-2022 12:13 PM
Alright, good info. Thank you, thank you.

I'm not involved in any nefarious shenanigans and I'm a city slicker so I can't imagine I'd need more than 6 rounds or so from a pistol in a home invasion. Plus, ideally, I'd have the shotgun for home defense if necessary in a sticky situation.

I do wonder about how quickly I'd be able to load up a revolver in a stressful situation, though, given the fact that I'm not an expert. Seems a semi auto might be a little more convenient in the dark and in a pinch..

Maybe I will reconsider the 1911, but will definitely make sure to test it, along with others, before I make the choice.

LiveSteam 10-26-2022 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16555657)
True, but a good pistol is not going to jam often either. I have put several thousand rds through my Sig M18 and have had only one jam and that was from a box of very cheap range brass.
But it jammed..
Trying to clear a weapon when you're probably half awake with God only knows who is in your home.
That situation is eliminated with a revolver.

You also.need to think about neighbors if you have them?
If an attacker breaks into my house and comes up the stairs after us ( split entry ranch home) my neighbors children's bedrooms are going to be right in the line of fire.
So my bedroom gun is a Moss 835 with a short turkey barrel and the first round is loaded down 6 shot.after that its military grade buck shot I bought from Walmart.

ThaVirus 10-26-2022 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers (Post 16555658)
This is what I have behind the night stand

https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/others/shockwave.html

I figured it'd be between the Remington or the Mossberg. Looks like you can't go wrong with either choice.

ThaVirus 10-26-2022 12:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16555700)
But it jammed..
Trying to clear a weapon when you're probably half awake with God only knows who is in your home.
That situation is eliminated with a revolver.

You also.need to think about neighbors if you have them?
If an attacker breaks into my house and comes up the stairs after us ( split entry ranch home) my neighbors children's bedrooms are going to be right in the line of fire.
So my bedroom gun is a Moss 835 with a short turkey barrel and the first round is loaded down 6 shot.after that its military grade buck shot I bought from Walmart.

I have considered this, actually. I live in an apartment right now and that's the reason I do not own a gun yet. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I hurt someone who didn't deserve it.

I live in a nice area but I'm risking the biscuit with this lil janky ass pocket knife I keep by the bed. Any burglar is gonna get charged like butt ass naked Viking berserker with 3 inches of cold steel if they find themselves in my place lol

I am planning to get the guns for the future when I will move into a house.

LiveSteam 10-26-2022 12:21 PM
Ya that's a perfect home defense weapon there SM- Timbers.

LiveSteam 10-26-2022 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16555716)
I have considered this, actually. I live in an apartment right now and that's the reason I do not own a gun yet. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I hurt someone who didn't deserve it.

I live in a nice area but I'm risking the biscuit with this lil janky ass pocket knife I keep by the bed. Any burglar is gonna get charged like butt ass naked Viking berserker with 3 inches of cold steel if they find themselves in my place lol

I am planning to get the guns for the future when I will move into a house.
This ammo
https://www.22pistol.org/product/agu...re-ammunition/

With this gun.
https://heritagemfg.com/small-bore/9...ndard-cocobolo

Be good cheap apartment protection.
It's a point blank set up.

Perineum Ripper 10-26-2022 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16555716)
I have considered this, actually. I live in an apartment right now and that's the reason I do not own a gun yet. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I hurt someone who didn't deserve it.

I live in a nice area but I'm risking the biscuit with this lil janky ass pocket knife I keep by the bed. Any burglar is gonna get charged like butt ass naked Viking berserker with 3 inches of cold steel if they find themselves in my place lol

I am planning to get the guns for the future when I will move into a house.


You need to make sure you get the right rounds so penetration through walls isn’t an issue. You hit a neighbor on accident you will be super ****ed.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usc...ense-ammo/amp/


https://www.pewpewtactical.com/home-...erpenetration/



Some people say it’s not something to worry about but I have seen rounds penetrating through walls and blowing through rooms into the next wall. Lots of times

Frazod 10-26-2022 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16555410)
I don't know much about guns, but I have been looking into getting one, or more, for self-defense purposes. Better to have and not need..

I've already determined that I'll get a 12 gauge at some point for home defense. Seems like the Remington 870 is cheap, easy to maintain and perfect for what I'm looking for.

But lately I've been considering pistols as well.

I like the look of the 1911. From my understand, it was once military issue so I'd imagine they're pretty reliable. What's CP's opinion on them? Obviously I will shoot one myself to see how it feels, just curious about opinions.

Also, revolvers. What are the advantages/disadvantages of revolvers vs semi-autos? Any particular revolver CPers prefer to others? FTR, I think I'd prefer one with a shorter barrel.
Get a good pistol with night sights that does NOT have an external safety. I'm not a Glock fanboy, but a Glock 19 is an excellent gun for a first time owner. Easy to use, easy to handle, easy to breakdown and reassemble, reliable, and if you handle it correctly and use good ammo, your odds of having a failure in a crucial situation are about the same as your odds of getting hit by lightening. My nightstand gun is a Glock.

And **** revolvers. 15 rounds much better than 6. Heavy double action trigger pull which can make you more likely to miss. You can cock the hammer to get a single action pull, but if you do, and then need to uncock it because the burglar alarm went off because a door wasn't shut quite right, while it's loaded and you're half awake, heart pounding and ears ringing, your thumb might slip off the hammer while you have the trigger depressed and you just might have a negligent discharge in your house. And really regret telling people about it later. Trust me on this. :grr:

1911s are kind of next level guns. Harder to disassemble and maintain, and they all have external safeties that you will likely forget to disengage in a crisis situation. I won't carry one and, and my 1911s all live in my safe.

Shotguns are effective, but bulky and harder to manipulate, especially if you're a novice fumbling around in the dark. Again you have the external safety issue. Same goes with ARs or similar rifles.

Get a Glock 19, and for home load it with good defensive rounds. Learn how to use it and maintain it. Take a class. Practice using it until you can reliably hit what you're aiming at.

And remember, merely owning a gun isn't enough; it's a tool, not a talisman against evil. You have to be prepared to use it, and use it correctly.

ghak99 10-26-2022 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16555416)
I'm also having a bit of a philosophical debate with myself.

I freely admit I am interested in this silver (or chrome, whatever) 1911 I came across simply because it looks cool.

Should I want a gun because it looks cool? It's only for self-defense so it's not something I'd ever want anyone to see.

For the gun enthusiasts here, how much does your opinion on the look of a gun play into your purchases?
Keep in mind you're the prey in these situations, so you don't want to be noticed until you're ready to be. If you ever retreat or move to a dark area in an attempt to avoid, rather than defend/attack, the last thing you want to be holding is a chrome piece.

The odds of it happening are slim to none, but it's similar to the revolver vs semi auto debate. You're trusting your life on them not seeing a reflection, just like you're trusting your life on the semi auto not jamming.

Survival is always about eliminating the what ifs.

Frazod 10-26-2022 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16555416)
I'm also having a bit of a philosophical debate with myself.

I freely admit I am interested in this silver (or chrome, whatever) 1911 I came across simply because it looks cool.

Should I want a gun because it looks cool? It's only for self-defense so it's not something I'd ever want anyone to see.

For the gun enthusiasts here, how much does your opinion on the look of a gun play into your purchases?
Didn't see this one earlier.

Find a friend and ask him to slap you really hard.

Personal defense isn't a ****ing beauty contest. If you want to get a cool gun just because it looks cool, well that's okay. BUT NOT FOR YOUR FIRST PURCHASE. That shit comes later. For a novice, much later. I've got a couple of gorgeous, expensive 1911s that never leave the safe unless I want to take them to the range. They're fun to shoot and other people oooh and aaah over them. That's all they're good for.

Again, get a Glock for your first gun. It's uglier than a bulldog's asshole, but that matters not one bit.

Shiver Me Timbers 10-26-2022 03:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16555720)
Ya that's a perfect home defense weapon there SM- Timbers.
Ive got it loaded up with shorty's. I am using a Aguila minishell feed. Works great.

Raiderhater 10-26-2022 05:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16555946)
Get a good pistol with night sights that does NOT have an external safety. I'm not a Glock fanboy, but a Glock 19 is an excellent gun for a first time owner. Easy to use, easy to handle, easy to breakdown and reassemble, reliable, and if you handle it correctly and use good ammo, your odds of having a failure in a crucial situation are about the same as your odds of getting hit by lightening. My nightstand gun is a Glock.

And **** revolvers. 15 rounds much better than 6. Heavy double action trigger pull which can make you more likely to miss. You can cock the hammer to get a single action pull, but if you do, and then need to uncock it because the burglar alarm went off because a door wasn't shut quite right, while it's loaded and you're half awake, heart pounding and ears ringing, your thumb might slip off the hammer while you have the trigger depressed and you just might have a negligent discharge in your house. And really regret telling people about it later. Trust me on this. :grr:

1911s are kind of next level guns. Harder to disassemble and maintain, and they all have external safeties that you will likely forget to disengage in a crisis situation. I won't carry one and, and my 1911s all live in my safe.

Shotguns are effective, but bulky and harder to manipulate, especially if you're a novice fumbling around in the dark. Again you have the external safety issue. Same goes with ARs or similar rifles.

Get a Glock 19, and for home load it with good defensive rounds. Learn how to use it and maintain it. Take a class. Practice using it until you can reliably hit what you're aiming at.

And remember, merely owning a gun isn't enough; it's a tool, not a talisman against evil. You have to be prepared to use it, and use it correctly.
I just can’t completely get behind this line of thinking. If someone has a little bit of experience with handguns and has handled both safety types, then I can see how it could cause an issue. However, if a complete novice starts with an external safety and sticks with that platform until it’s second nature, then… it’s second nature. All of my initial handguns were external safety models, and I’m not concerned about forgetting to flip it off if I need to pull my H&K or one of my 1911s.

LiveSteam 10-26-2022 05:24 PM
Excluding hammerless handguns.
I dnt understand the big difference between having the hammer fully cocked with the safety on or having the hammer in half cock position with the safety off.
Either way. You have to manually move the hammer to full cock or the safety to the off position..
But when I took the CC class. They made me holster my 1911 in full cock with the safety on.
I'd never carry it loaded this way.

Raiderhater 10-26-2022 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16556328)
Excluding hammerless handguns.
I dnt understand the big difference between having the hammer fully cocked with the safety on or having the hammer in half cock position with the safety off.
Either way. You have to manually move the hammer to full cock or the safety to the off position..
But when I took the CC class. They made me holster my 1911 in full cock with the safety on.
I'd never carry it loaded this way.
Condition 1 of readiness for the 1911 (cocked and locked) has been time tested to be a perfectly safe form of carry.

Col. Jeff Cooper’s conditions of readiness for the 1911 -

https://www.americanrifleman.org/con...e-1911-pistol/

ThaVirus 10-26-2022 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 16555966)
Keep in mind you're the prey in these situations, so you don't want to be noticed until you're ready to be. If you ever retreat or move to a dark area in an attempt to avoid, rather than defend/attack, the last thing you want to be holding is a chrome piece.



The odds of it happening are slim to none, but it's similar to the revolver vs semi auto debate. You're trusting your life on them not seeing a reflection, just like you're trusting your life on the semi auto not jamming.



Survival is always about eliminating the what ifs.

I have considered this as well.

Why do they even make chrome pistols if it provides such a tactical disadvantage?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16556033)
Didn't see this one earlier.



Find a friend and ask him to slap you really hard.



Personal defense isn't a ****ing beauty contest. If you want to get a cool gun just because it looks cool, well that's okay. BUT NOT FOR YOUR FIRST PURCHASE. That shit comes later. For a novice, much later. I've got a couple of gorgeous, expensive 1911s that never leave the safe unless I want to take them to the range. They're fun to shoot and other people oooh and aaah over them. That's all they're good for.



Again, get a Glock for your first gun. It's uglier than a bulldog's asshole, but that matters not one bit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16555946)
Get a good pistol with night sights that does NOT have an external safety. I'm not a Glock fanboy, but a Glock 19 is an excellent gun for a first time owner. Easy to use, easy to handle, easy to breakdown and reassemble, reliable, and if you handle it correctly and use good ammo, your odds of having a failure in a crucial situation are about the same as your odds of getting hit by lightening. My nightstand gun is a Glock.



And **** revolvers. 15 rounds much better than 6. Heavy double action trigger pull which can make you more likely to miss. You can cock the hammer to get a single action pull, but if you do, and then need to uncock it because the burglar alarm went off because a door wasn't shut quite right, while it's loaded and you're half awake, heart pounding and ears ringing, your thumb might slip off the hammer while you have the trigger depressed and you just might have a negligent discharge in your house. And really regret telling people about it later. Trust me on this. :grr:



1911s are kind of next level guns. Harder to disassemble and maintain, and they all have external safeties that you will likely forget to disengage in a crisis situation. I won't carry one and, and my 1911s all live in my safe.



Shotguns are effective, but bulky and harder to manipulate, especially if you're a novice fumbling around in the dark. Again you have the external safety issue. Same goes with ARs or similar rifles.



Get a Glock 19, and for home load it with good defensive rounds. Learn how to use it and maintain it. Take a class. Practice using it until you can reliably hit what you're aiming at.



And remember, merely owning a gun isn't enough; it's a tool, not a talisman against evil. You have to be prepared to use it, and use it correctly.

Calmate, esé! Lol.

I was wondering if you'd chime in. I'm scared to death of an accidental discharge.

Rest assured, I'm not the type to dick around with guns. To be honest, I don't even particularly enjoy shooting at the range. Ideally, I'd just make a couple purchases and these bad boys just sit in a safe in my closet for the rest of my life. If I'm lucky, I'll never have to bring them out except to clean them.

I have held a few glocks but I've never shot one. They feel cheap to me. Like they're toy guns or something.

The glock 19 is the most popular handgun, though, IIRC. I'll consider it.

ghak99 10-26-2022 10:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16556506)
I have considered this as well.

Why do they even make chrome pistols if it provides such a tactical disadvantage?
I'm going to assume what you saw was probably nickel plated. It is more durable and weather resistant than a traditional blue steel. It's also much easier to clean and keep smooth when compared to other more raw or rough finishes that won't glare. As you noticed, it can be very eye appealing and make grown men impulse buy shit they don't even need.

Stainless is another chrome appearing material. It has several advantages similar to nickel plating and when polished can create a very functional and eye appealing piece. I own a stainless Ruger Mark3 with a bull barrel that I absolutely did not need when I bought it. :thumb:

Frazod 10-26-2022 10:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16556506)
Calmate, esé! Lol.

I was wondering if you'd chime in. I'm scared to death of an accidental discharge.

Rest assured, I'm not the type to dick around with guns. To be honest, I don't even particularly enjoy shooting at the range. Ideally, I'd just make a couple purchases and these bad boys just sit in a safe in my closet for the rest of my life. If I'm lucky, I'll never have to bring them out except to clean them.

I have held a few glocks but I've never shot one. They feel cheap to me. Like they're toy guns or something.

The glock 19 is the most popular handgun, though, IIRC. I'll consider it.
If you feel this way, why bother? If you're not willing to train and practice, you've basically rendered the gun useless at best and dangerous to yourself and others that you don't plan to shoot at worst. And if you're not willing to pull the trigger when the need arises, all you've got in your hand is a $600 paperweight. At least until it's taken away from you.

We all have the right to own guns, but they're not for everybody. I gave a Glock 19 to my FIL for Christmas a couple of years ago, but it wouldn't surprise me if he keeps it in a box in the attic with his .22. He's never expressed any real interest in shooting it or learning how to properly use it. I probably should have just gotten him a sweater and kept it for myself.

Frazod 10-26-2022 10:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 16556308)
I just can’t completely get behind this line of thinking. If someone has a little bit of experience with handguns and has handled both safety types, then I can see how it could cause an issue. However, if a complete novice starts with an external safety and sticks with that platform until it’s second nature, then… it’s second nature. All of my initial handguns were external safety models, and I’m not concerned about forgetting to flip it off if I need to pull my H&K or one of my 1911s.
It takes a lot of practice and dedication to get to that point, and most people simply aren't willing to devote that kind of energy. Some are. I have little doubt that you'd have no problem with it. But a novice probably won't take the time to get there.

Nobody wants the last thought in their life to be "oh ****, the safety's on."

ThaVirus 10-27-2022 10:02 AM
Off Season Lets Talk Guns, Part 2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 16556633)
I'm going to assume what you saw was probably nickel plated. It is more durable and weather resistant than a traditional blue steel. It's also much easier to clean and keep smooth when compared to other more raw or rough finishes that won't glare. As you noticed, it can be very eye appealing and make grown men impulse buy shit they don't even need.



Stainless is another chrome appearing material. It has several advantages similar to nickel plating and when polished can create a very functional and eye appealing piece. I own a stainless Ruger Mark3 with a bull barrel that I absolutely did not need when I bought it. :thumb:

https://onlineguncompany.com/product...acp-5-8rd-sts/

Here's the gun in question, FYI. It's a good looking piece, IMO.

I don't feel so bad knowing you guys have been duped into making similar purchases. I guess humans just really like shiny shit.

Lzen 10-27-2022 10:14 AM
Not to get political but ATF at it again
 
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