Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12166179)

No, actually, I was considering writing a "Believe it or not, I'm defending Chuck" post along those same lines -- that Chuck was totally justified in doing what he did FOR THE FIRM. Does it skewer Jimmy too? Sure. But bottom line is, Chuck is a partner and he's doing what's right for his firm. And he did so not by lying or deceiving, nor did he impeach Kim's character. He simply said, hey, we've got the professional experience she doesn't, and the manpower to pay attention to myriad details (hence Jimmy's revenge with the docs). You should stay with us.

It was a perfectly legit sales job, not a con. I even explained that to my family after we watched it.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 12166410)

Yep! Tho' I can understand, how doing it to one's family when his firm doesn't need that account as they are successful and Kim brought the account originally, that it can be viewed as sleazy. Chuck has issues too.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12166267)

Not true.

That little stunt he's about to pull with the documents - that could easily be done by a first year and just as easily get brought back on the firm. In fact, I'd imagine most of the pleadings he'd be responsible for as a first year wouldn't be signed as him, they'd be signed as him 'for the firm' and as such, anything he does could easily come back directly on the firm and in fact, the firm would almost certainly take the bullets well before the first year associate would.

When it doubt, find the deepest pockets. HHM is absolutely the deeper pockets here.

And while he may not have pulled that exact stunt as a first year, he'd have pulled something. The client solicitation thing is the easiest one and perhaps that would've only been met with a tersely worded letter from the Bar. But that's not all the damage he could do; he could easily ensnare his employers.

But again, we're getting back to where I started this whole thing - there is no circumstance whereby Jimmy would've been hired into that firm given his pedigree. You aren't asking that Chuck not interfere with Jimmy - you're asking that Chuck do him favors. Jimmy's not a silk-stocking lawyer and HHM is absolutely a silk-stocking firm. If you're a partner there, you don't want him in your firm and if you're his brother you don't want the resentment that comes with forcing him into your firm over other far more qualified candidates.

He doesn't respect Jimmy, I'll concede. But if Jimmy would simply get out of Chuck's sandbox, Chuck would probably forget he even exists. But by practicing right under Chuck's nose and to some degree expecting favorable treatment from Chuck, he just gets Chuck's dander up.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12166437)

I don't know how shit works at a law firm, but at a CPA firm, everything would be reviewed.

And if he didn't care, he wouldn't have thrown a bitch fit, and the whole monkey with a machine gun thing wouldn't have happened. It's hard to look at those scenes and argue indifference.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12166441)

Like I said - he's not indifferent when Jimmy's playing in his sandbox.

If I shit on the rug in my livingroom - you probably don't care. If I shit on the rug in your livingroom, you'll probably have a stronger opinion on the matter.

Jimmy's shitting on Chuck's rug.

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 12166453)

I'm starting to think that Kim finds out about Jimmy's trip to Kinkos and leaves him. Jimmy then goes to the strip mall to eventually become Saul.

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12166564)

DJ, do you have a sibling that thinks you screwed them over?

Chuck is despicable, he didn't make it into the office one time to save a client or help out the office one time until he had the chance to screw his brother over. His one and only intent is to screw his brother over, his desire to do that is so strong that he can ignore all the other "medical" stuff.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12166579)

Well I can't get in her head, but it seems unlikely. We get along well and she's a doctor so not really in my sphere of influence anyway.

If that's the extent of your takeaway from this show, you're missing some damn good television. If you're still putting white hats and black hats on people this far into this series, I think you're missing some pretty complex stuff going on under the surface.

I also think you're assuming a great deal many things not actually in evidence right now. Let's not forget that his first journeys back into the office were WITH Jimmy and in so doing he is the one that put together the RICO action and got Jimmy one hell of a sweet deal on the Sandpiper referral; a class action suit that he could've managed on his own.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12166267)

Not true.

That little stunt he's about to pull with the documents - that could easily be done by a first year and just as easily get brought back on the firm. In fact, I'd imagine most of the pleadings he'd be responsible for as a first year wouldn't be signed as him, they'd be signed as him 'for the firm' and as such, anything he does could easily come back directly on the firm and in fact, the firm would almost certainly take the bullets well before the first year associate would.

When it doubt, find the deepest pockets. HHM is absolutely the deeper pockets here.

And while he may not have pulled that exact stunt as a first year, he'd have pulled something. The client solicitation thing is the easiest one and perhaps that would've only been met with a tersely worded letter from the Bar. But that's not all the damage he could do; he could easily ensnare his employers.

But again, we're getting back to where I started this whole thing - there is no circumstance whereby Jimmy would've been hired into that firm given his pedigree. You aren't asking that Chuck not interfere with Jimmy - you're asking that Chuck do him favors. Jimmy's not a silk-stocking lawyer and HHM is absolutely a silk-stocking firm. If you're a partner there, you don't want him in your firm and if you're his brother you don't want the resentment that comes with forcing him into your firm over other far more qualified candidates.

He doesn't respect Jimmy, I'll concede. But if Jimmy would simply get out of Chuck's sandbox, Chuck would probably forget he even exists. But by practicing right under Chuck's nose and to some degree expecting favorable treatment from Chuck, he just gets Chuck's dander up.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12166170)

The firm was about to lose a million dollar client - you think he only cared because Jimmy was involved? Hell, the first thing he did was scold Howard for letting Kim get away. The guy that plays Chuck did a great job of emoting disappointment in Howard when Howard said that she left - he clearly recognizes Kim's talent and potential to be a big-time asset at the firm.

I don't think he was trying to sabotage Kim at all; he was trying to get their client back and that's exactly what you'd expect from an 'of counsel' founding partner for a firm.

**** this - I'm starting a one man squad: Team Chuck. I expect no allies, but someone's gotta protect the guy from you wolves that think he ties his shoes in some manner expressly designed to irritate and undermine Jimmy.

Jimmy does just fine blowing himself out of the water without any intervention from Chuck and he'd have absolutely done it one way or the other. The dude's just slimy. He's done at least 3 things in a season and a half that would have him outright dis-barred. If Chuck were really out to hang him, it wouldn't be hard at all to go to the NM Bar and report him for ethics violations. All Jimmy has done is reinforce Chuck's distrust of him.

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12166598)

You have some good points in playing the devil's advocate on this, it just seems like there is something deeply personal to you in it.

Jimmy has a better heart than Chuck, but Chuck has better/more defined morals. Which brother is worse? In the world that we get to see I'd say that Chuck is worse. While it might be illegal to solicit the signatures from the elderly in the lawsuit, Jimmy is only trying to stick it to the man who clearly deserves it. And while it might be perfectly legal to risk death per his condition to keep their client, Chuck is only trying to keep his brother from being successful, who based on what I've seen in the show deserves to be able to find success.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 12166626)

Again, I disagree with the issue that Chuck was trying to stick it to Jimmy with Mesa Verde. They were Kim's clients, not Jimmy's and in practice Chuck was really trying to keep a valuable new revenue source from being poached.

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12166624)

The thing is, had it been any other million dollar client. Chuck wouldn't have come in. He wouldn't have jeopardized his health, he would have just sat on his couch whining in his stupid little space jacket. He knows Kim and Jimmy are going into business together, and it's more not letting his brother "win" in his eyes.