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Ocotillo 07-11-2023 05:53 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> Ast. GM/Director of Scouting Randy Flores on selecting 6-foot-4 LHP &amp; LSU commit Cameron Johnson in the 20th round of the MLB Draft:<br><br>&quot;That&#39;s like a little bit of a prayer, a little bit of a Hail Mary. We&#39;ll see how it shakes out.&quot;<br><br>The MLB signing deadline is July 25.</p>&mdash; John Denton (@JohnDenton555) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnDenton555/status/1678890163877937154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ocotillo 07-11-2023 06:32 PM

Two former Cardinal outfielders kick off the All-Star Game with highlight reel catches.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adolis Garcia starts the All-Star Game with style! <a href="https://t.co/tHsJaM2O9b">pic.twitter.com/tHsJaM2O9b</a></p>&mdash; Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1678923892444856322?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Randy Arozarena absolutely loves the big stage <a href="https://t.co/dtRj2AjnlS">pic.twitter.com/dtRj2AjnlS</a></p>&mdash; Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1678924135278231553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BigRedChief 07-11-2023 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17013424)
Two former Cardinal outfielders kick off the All-Star Game with highlight reel catches.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adolis Garcia starts the All-Star Game with style! <a href="https://t.co/tHsJaM2O9b">pic.twitter.com/tHsJaM2O9b</a></p>&mdash; Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1678923892444856322?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Randy Arozarena absolutely loves the big stage <a href="https://t.co/dtRj2AjnlS">pic.twitter.com/dtRj2AjnlS</a></p>&mdash; Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1678924135278231553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

**** you Mo!:mad:

DJ's left nut 07-12-2023 08:26 AM

I absolutely despise this ****ing guy:

https://fox2now.com/sports/st-louis-...ign=socialflow

Mozeliak is untouchable and he's going to continue to drive this franchise into the ground. He's committed to his 'build for 24' strategy which will do nothing but cap us at an 88 win afterthought. And that's the CEILING with these guys in charge.

What an absolute prick. This is Pioli levels of hatred.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-12-2023 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17013916)
I absolutely despise this ****ing guy:

https://fox2now.com/sports/st-louis-...ign=socialflow

Mozeliak is untouchable and he's going to continue to drive this franchise into the ground. He's committed to his 'build for 24' strategy which will do nothing but cap us at an 88 win afterthought. And that's the CEILING with these guys in charge.

What an absolute prick. This is Pioli levels of hatred.

Do you love how quickly he said he won't make excuses but then went quickly to INJURIES!!! right off the bat??

DJ's left nut 07-12-2023 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17013926)
Do you love how quickly he said he won't make excuses but then went quickly to INJURIES!!! right off the bat??

"So when you cite injuries, how would you contrast the Cardinals injuries to the Rays, who sit in 1st place in the toughest division in baseball and presently have an injured list that would probably make up the best rotation in baseball?"

**** off, Mozeliak...

Can you imagine the wailing if we had McLanahan, Baz, Rasmussen, Glasnow and Springs on the IL like the Rays do? Rays just keep on pluggin' along...

Rams Fan 07-12-2023 09:39 AM

I'm aboard the fire Mozeliak wagon and believe he deserves all the criticism when it comes to the rotation.

However, I still find it hard to blame him for the OF.

-He DFA'd Garcia, who didn't start contributing as a full-time player until he was 28 with the Rangers (after he was DFA'd by them as well)
-Arozarena was moved for Liberatore, which doesn't look great right now
-Chose to keep TON over Arozarena/Garcia/Bader, which I believe was the correct move as he's the best of the four, when healthy (which is a huge problem now apparently)
-Traded for Ozuna after having the fanbase bitch at the FO for not adding in the OF. This was after Miami initially said Yelich was off limits and Stanton blocked a trade. I don't think anyone saw Alcantara turning out the way he did (I thought he projected more as a reliever), while Gallen was more of a sure thing. Regardless, this trade has probably turned out to be one of the worst trades in Cardinals history.

Marcellus 07-12-2023 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 17014035)
I'm aboard the fire Mozeliak wagon and believe he deserves all the criticism when it comes to the rotation.

However, I still find it hard to blame him for the OF.

-He DFA'd Garcia, who didn't start contributing as a full-time player until he was 28 with the Rangers (after he was DFA'd by them as well)
-Arozarena was moved for Liberatore, which doesn't look great right now
-Chose to keep TON over Arozarena/Garcia/Bader, which I believe was the correct move as he's the best of the four, when healthy (which is a huge problem now apparently)
-Traded for Ozuna after having the fanbase bitch at the FO for not adding in the OF. This was after Miami initially said Yelich was off limits and Stanton blocked a trade. I don't think anyone saw Alcantara turning out the way he did (I thought he projected more as a reliever), while Gallen was more of a sure thing. Regardless, this trade has probably turned out to be one of the worst trades in Cardinals history.

Why do people keep making excuses for TON? Dude cannot stay healthy period and even when healthy he is mostly inconsistent at the plate.

Mo botched the OF as bad as he botched the starting pitching situation.

Marcellus 07-12-2023 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17013943)
"So when you cite injuries, how would you contrast the Cardinals injuries to the Rays, who sit in 1st place in the toughest division in baseball and presently have an injured list that would probably make up the best rotation in baseball?"

**** off, Mozeliak...

Can you imagine the wailing if we had McLanahan, Baz, Rasmussen, Glasnow and Springs on the IL like the Rays do? Rays just keep on pluggin' along...

What's funny is he also says the coaches have no fault and its on the players. Well who gave them the players dipshit? You did. But again he isn't going to fire his 3rd manager in 5 years and he isn't going to blow it up because those things point to him being the issue.

Quote:

Mozeliak: “I don’t think the coaches have any fault in this. They’re handed the players. Unfortunately, it didn’t work, but I think Oli and his group do a really good job, they work really hard [and] they continue to do that. Their level of frustration is probably as real as the fan base.”

Pasta Little Brioni 07-12-2023 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 17014035)
I'm aboard the fire Mozeliak wagon and believe he deserves all the criticism when it comes to the rotation.

However, I still find it hard to blame him for the OF.

-He DFA'd Garcia, who didn't start contributing as a full-time player until he was 28 with the Rangers (after he was DFA'd by them as well)
-Arozarena was moved for Liberatore, which doesn't look great right now
-Chose to keep TON over Arozarena/Garcia/Bader, which I believe was the correct move as he's the best of the four, when healthy (which is a huge problem now apparently)
-Traded for Ozuna after having the fanbase bitch at the FO for not adding in the OF. This was after Miami initially said Yelich was off limits and Stanton blocked a trade. I don't think anyone saw Alcantara turning out the way he did (I thought he projected more as a reliever), while Gallen was more of a sure thing. Regardless, this trade has probably turned out to be one of the worst trades in Cardinals history.

Huh? O Neill os a pile of shit compared to that group. Good lord

Rams Fan 07-12-2023 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17014061)
Why do people keep making excuses for TON? Dude cannot stay healthy period and even when healthy he is mostly inconsistent at the plate.

Mo botched the OF as bad as he botched the starting pitching situation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17014085)
Huh? O Neill os a pile of shit compared to that group. Good lord


TON's 2021 season is better than either Arozarena's or Garcia's best season in terms of WAR.

TON is probably more volatile, due to injuries, but he was/is still the best of the group when healthy.

In terms of things I'm annoyed with Mozeliak about, OF is towards the bottom. Ahead of that would be:

-Rotation
-Shit canning Shildt
-Player development

George Liquor 07-12-2023 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17013916)
I absolutely despise this ****ing guy:

https://fox2now.com/sports/st-louis-...ign=socialflow

Mozeliak is untouchable and he's going to continue to drive this franchise into the ground. He's committed to his 'build for 24' strategy which will do nothing but cap us at an 88 win afterthought. And that's the CEILING with these guys in charge.

What an absolute prick. This is Pioli levels of hatred.

Mo is such a ****ing fraud. I hope he sends David Freese a nice Christmas card every year for giving him unparalleled job security

Rams Fan 07-12-2023 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdj23 (Post 17014195)
Mo is such a ****ing fraud. I hope he sends David Freese a nice Christmas card every year for giving him unparalleled job security

Is Mo approaching King Carl territory or not yet?

George Liquor 07-12-2023 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 17014209)
Is Mo approaching King Carl territory or not yet?

Oh yeah

oldandslow 07-12-2023 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 17014209)
Is Mo approaching King Carl territory or not yet?

Yes, Yes, a million times yes.


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