Agree it'll be Coleman who drops. I'm not really interested in him tbh

Take Tory Horton off your 2024 lists. Surprisingly announced he’s coming back to CSU for another season.

Will Sheppard transferred to Colorado. Take him off your lists as well.

Whoever is left, I want all of them now. Ye Gods we need some WR talent

ESPN listed the following WRs in their 1st rounders with plus traits list:

Harrison Jr = Comp AJ Green
Nabers = Comp J. Chase
Odunze = Comp S. Diggs
Coleman = Comp D. London

Ok, then Nabers.

Still love me some Jermaine Burton on day 2. Plays with confidence and fire. Something that is really lacking in the WR room.

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Luke McCaffery is a great sleeper pick had he not wasted 3 years demanding to be a QB he would likely be a first rounder pick

Which OTs, QBs, & WRs go in the 1st? Which go in the 2nd?

He's interesting. Hadn't really looked at him before your post. He doesn't seem to have a dynamic first step on his highlights, though he builds up to good speed.

The WRs I covet most are Egbuka, Franklin and Polk.

Egbuka is kind of a do-it-all guy who isn't too dissimilar from Chris Olave in terms of ability to work every level, good hands, great cuts. Franklin has great vertical speed and tremendous hands. Polk might have the best hands in the entire class and great explosion off the line plus the size to play physically.

What do you not like about Xavier worthy? I haven’t watched Texas much but in the highlights, I haven’t seen a college wr run routes like Xavier. His start and stop is incredible in running routes. He creates separation that I’ve rarely seen. Does he have suspect hands?I like Franklin a lot also but that separation that Xavier makes is incredible. His top end speed is unreal too. He has great balance also. He can be running a route close to full speed and turn around backwards for a few steps and catch a underthrown ball. Great concentration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0bhe_Epp10

Nice podcast here about the top 15 or so WRs in the upcoming draft.

They highlight an interesting statistic that I'm sure Veach and Reid pay attention to in combined separation % against man and zone coverage. Pretty clear we prefer separators over jump ball specialists.

Some notable #'s:

Coleman 12% seperation
Legette 55% seperation
Mitchell 74%
Mcconkey 93%
Egbuka 95%

Also noting they have Dez Walker and Ladd Mcconkey top 10 above Egbuka, and Brian Thomas Jr and Franklyn top 5.

Came away wanting Thomas, Franklyn, or Egbuka. Intrigued by Walker and Mcconkey as well.

50% of Nabers catches went for 15 yards or more.

That list/pod tells me I'm right in gravitating to Adonai Mitchell and Egbuka.

That's interesting but I'm not sure the separation gained is always the same. To me a guy like Egbuka gets separation by running crisp, well timed routes. McConkey does it but it's through a little more freelancing. A bit like someone like Renfrow. If you need a guy in a spot on time I think Egbuka is it. If you're happy giving a guy time to make space, McConnell is great.

Man, give me anyone but Leggette. That is SUCH a boom or bust pick that he terrifies me, and we can't afford to whiff on a WR in the first round.

of course, if we DON'T take him, he'll be DK Metcalf. And he might. He really might.

But he was a 6'4", 225 pound Skyy Moore for FOUR YEARS in college before suddenly deciding to do a Megatron impression in year 5.

That gives me the heebie-jeebies.

You've got to wonder if Andy and Veach look at Worthy and see Tyreek Hill.

I've just been casually looking at this class, and there are like ten that I like, including some guys that are maybe more like 2nd and 3rd round guys that I think may have been first rounders in the '23 class.

And then there's Jerry Rice's kid, and I can't figure out why he's a 3rd round prospect but I haven't watched a lot of him. Maybe it's there on tape.

Feels like Egbuka or Franklyn are our ideal 1st round targets.

The Chiefs couldn't trade up last year because they picked so late. Honestly I wouldn't be mad at all if we got bounced in the WC and picked between 21-23 so we can get a better player and if we could trade up it would be into the top 20.

That 4th WR this year in the draft is still gonna be really good

Yeah you just know he'll be the "what if" if we pass on him and a dud if we pick him. Was just looking at Franklin. Looks like he has a 10% drop rate, which also worries me a little.

I know what you mean. I just really can't get past picking 2 WRs, getting Tyron Smith for LT in FA and a middling WR in FA. Honestly think that gives us the best outcome of guarantees and risks.

I look at him and see Zay Flowers.

It's a very stacked class.

I agree on Legette. I can blame some of his lack of production on having bad QBs, horrible coaches with bad offensive systems, and a few upper classmen who also will play in the league (Juice Wells, Jaheim Bell).

This year was the first year he was the alpha guy with a decent or better QB.

But he still makes me nervous.

The more you really dig in….how many legit first round guys are in this class?

4?

Worthy looks more like Devonta smith to me but he doesn’t have that level of college production. His hands were better this year but worthy doesnt have the hands of smith. He broke his hand last year and his hands were better this year but still a concern. Worthy and Devonta are about the same size. Worthy is A LOT faster than smith, which provides a really high ceiling for him.

Did that video show the separation of Xavier worthy?

Did not, but anyone with a PFF login could provide it here for us.

Clear top 5:
Harrison

Clear top 15:
Nabers

Clear 1sts:
Odunze
Egbuka

Could-be 1sts
Coleman
Franklin
Mitchell
Worthy
Legette (I see a lot more Treylon Burks than Metcalf, personally, but he probably is going to do stupid things at the combine)

I suspect the number will land at 6 or something like that.

I might put Thomas in that could-be-first group.

Good call.

There's probably a workout warrior who will get some consideration, too.

I really like Mitchell's game. He is exactly the type of receiver we are missing: a deep threat.

My god, these guys learned NOTHING from Skyy Moore, did they?

Go listen to the Ladd McConkey love-fest. It's EXACTLY what people did with Skyy Moore. "Oh sure, he's small, he's not terribly fast, but he just gets open. I mean yeah, lots of false steps in his releases but who really cares about false steps when your feet are that quick?"

They have the guy as the 6th overall receiver. I wouldn't even look at him before the mid-3rd.

No friggen way. Traits traits traits traits, fellas. You really do not want to be using a 2nd day pick on a guy who simply lacks standout physical traits.

Just trade up for Egbuka or Odunze and be done

Well, it’s PFF. They’re all dumbasses.


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McConkey is Renfrow 2.0. Great if you allow him time to lose a guy, but absolutely not going to work as a guy you NEED at X spot at Y time. He could work, but not for us.

I am much more down with this plan than spending the same type of draft capital to get an Aiyuk or Pittman. Not sure how high you'd have to get on Egbuka, but considering I think he's better than any WR taken last year and he's the 4th guy in this draft, it's a palatable price. Even if KC ends up drafting lower than currently slotted (as I think it will).

Getting to around #20 to get Egbuka is pretty do-able. If that even ends up being required. Obviously Harrison and Nabers are off the board before him, as well as Odunze, but I could also see Leggette and Coleman jumping him with great combine results.

KC isn't overflowing with extra picks, but there are several teams with a second first in the teens, which makes it much more achievable to trade up, IMO.

And looking ahead at the 25 WR class, other than Luther Burden (who KC will not be in range to draft unless a calamity occurs), I don't see anything that fits nearly as well as multiple guys in this draft.

Ah - that makes sense now.

Because that was a pretty awful listen. Really just fairly mundane cliched restatements of various skill-sets but ultimately just a rehashing of like 4 things they pay attention to.

2 or 3 pet statistics and "man look at how many releases he has..." over and over and over again.

I wanted to like it because how could a 90 minute breakdown on the WRs in this draft NOT pique my interest. But it was pretty damn bad.

I'm not trading for Pittman. He doesn't fit here like Aiyuk.

I just think Aiyuk would be a top 5, 1700 yard 10 TD guy here. With his route running and separation and such.....pair him with Rice for the next 3 years and it's a top 3 WR pair in the league.

But if I could get Egbuka with our first, I'd go that route grudgingly. I don't think his upside is what Aiyuk's woudl be here but he looks alot like the next "guy that gets drafted lower than some others and ends up being a badass".

Odunze is probably a top 15 guy, I don't think there will be a way he falls below Leggett and Coleman even if they test better.

I just loved listening to them talk about Renfrow as a clear win for them. "Oh well that DB said that Renfrow was his hardest cover in college, way moreso than Brown, Metcalf, McLaurin and all those other monsters that came out in the draft. And you can see it on tape!"

Meanwhile Brown, Metcalf, McLaurin, Johnson, Deebo, Hollywood....shit, Darius Slatyong - have all had better careers than Renfrow. Hardman hasn't been notably LESS productive.

Renfrow is such a great white hype. He's a GREAT 5th round pick, don't get me wrong. But to sit here and say "See - we told you, all he does is get open!" and contrast him against guys who've had OBVIOUSLY better careers than than him is just the height of stupidity.

Oh, I meant that I could see Leggette and Coleman jumping Egbuka.

Yeah, I could possibly see that. I still don't think Leggette can end up a first rounder, with the career he's had in college.

Coleman maybe.

{fingers crossed}

I think someone will get some visions of DK Metcalf in their head during the underwear olympics with Legette.

The guy is a tank. That could really have some specific appeal to a team that just values physicality at WR. Coleman's built similarly but doesn't have that high-cut sort of profile that may boost Coleman. And I just think he's kinda slow.

Probably asking too much for BOTH of them to go ahead of Egbuka - but it would sure be nice.

Malachi Corley is my guy in this draft too, everyone get on board.

Man......Is there anyway we can get one of the big 3 guys? Nabers would be just swell.

Coleman is not slow. Watch his punt return videos. We need a wr with attitude, some swagger. I’ve normally liked trait guys but I’m leaning toward a guy with some swagger this year. Coleman has that dawg in him. He makes catches and just looks at the db like he doesn’t have a chance after the catch. Adonai Mitchell has that too. He wanted the ball in the semi final game and was upset that they didn’t give him the ball. And they did give him a chance at the end. The ball was just thrown too high. You could see Mitchell trying to keep his feet in the end zone and extend for the catch. We need a wr that has that alpha mentality. Coleman and Mitchell both have that.

Hurray! Another shorter group of 5 receiver without a route tree!!! Those guys always work out well.

I need Staylor to tell me how many tackles he's broken. Because that's a pretty big deal.

If he's there in the 4th and we've already signed AND drafted new WRs to set up our top 3, then I'll look at him. But he's just not varied enough.

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

EVERY big-name college WR 'has that dawg in him' because he's out there talking his shit against opponents who have maybe 2-3 NFL players on their roster most weeks. It's easy to keep your confidence up then.

Drafting for swagger is truly the most unspeakably inane thing I could possibly imagine doing. Kadarius Toney is LOADED with swagger. Or was - now the dude probably can't tie his shoes without weeping.

These are all high achievers who've busted their asses for most of their lives getting to this point. They all have 'alpha mentalities'. For now.

Gimme the smart and fast one. You can have Shedeur Sanders.

Toney was barely a wr coming out and still really isn’t. That isn’t a fair comparison. You need both, that alpha number wr and the traits you speak of. What I’m trying to say is, I’d rather have a guy like Adonai Mitchell that is begging for the ball in big moments than a guy like xavier worthy that has incredible traits. If we could trade up in the mid twenties for Rome, if he falls that far, he would be ideal. We traded up for mcduffie and a trade up for Rome could be possible. I just don’t want to go the FA route for a wr. This class is loaded with talent. I’d pick two WRs. One in the first or 2nd. And one in the later rounds.

Oh, he's a mid rounder at best

I do need to do some research on Devontez Walker. How well he meshed with Maye when plays break down should be indicative of fit for KC.

He hasn't really been discussed in here or on my radar, but it seems like he should be.

Yeah, he's someone I'll have to do more digging on. I think I want to call him my 6th first round option for us (with 3 of them not really options). But I'm not there.

Yet.

But he brings some tools we could really use. Doubly so if you get someone like Brown in FA.

If they sign someone in FA......I think I'm ok waiting til that second wave of guys.

Classic X size. Big catch radius, good hands. Looks like he tracks the ball well downfield. He looks smooth, but I'm not sure how sudden he is or how good he is in scramble drill situations.

Yeah, I just want to find him running routes. Ideally against quality competition.

I'm not worried about the rest of it. Hands, body control, eyes, build - all looks good. I wanna see how he gears down and back up. I wanna see how he sets up DBs and stuff like how quickly he locates the ball out of a cut. Does he do that little underhanded crap to get open in a way that allows him to stay on sequence. Will he use his size for more than just jump ball scenarios?

The 'WR shit' I talk about being shocked that Hill essentially came equipped with from Day 1. So much of that is weirdly innate. How's he do all that stuff?

What is Rashee Rice for us going into the '24 season and beyond? Does he have the physicality to be our true "X" in this offense, or is he going to morph into the "Z" guy going into motion and lining up in the slot more often than not? Andy seems to like the Desean Jackson sized guys for his Z receiver, but with the production Rice has put out in his rookie season, what will he bring the next few years, and because of that, how will we draft AROUND him at the receiver position?

(I am willing to admit that is a dumb question given all the variables and data available, so light me up if you feel I've earned it)

Reid has evolved those tags so much over the years that it's hard to identify it really.

I use the 'z' designation as the strong-side WR in 11 personnel. Typically your first read and can work every blade of grass on the field. X receiver is weak side but with a slot in his pocket; typically going to work middle/intermediate with the slot designed to pull some coverage off him (or vice versa). This is not even kindergarten level stupid; this is pre-school simplistic but it's how I use the terminology for the sake of conversation.

In that sense, I think Rice is more of an X mold. But we've used that shitty little speed receiver from Indy in that role in the past (when we had Bowe as the Z). As you noted, he used to use Jackson in that role with Maclin as the Z. But when we had Hill at Z we used Watkins at X.

Honestly, I think in a perfect world, we get a different guy to play the Z who can be that guy who challenges everywhere. And I think that's probably what we'll try to do. We'll try to develop that Hill/Watkins setup. But if it doesn't work out, you could get away with Rice as your Z with a speed threat at X; more akin to Avery/Bowe or even Jackson/Maclin.

Short answer? We'll work with what we've got.

Brandon Aiyuk will be your z next year, with Rice in that big X role.

They're just so many outliers that could happen. I look at a guy like Puka Nacua and see that while he has size, he ran the 40 in 4.57 seconds and had a 7.32 3 cone. Granted he is a solid route runner but in no way should guys like that be doing what he's doing this year.

For me I think we need to get back to speed but get some size and route running mixed in.

Man I wish we would have taken a flyer on Trey Palmer instead of a run stuffing DT

Dude.

there's no ****in' way.

They're not going to take away weapons from Purdy, especially when they're not paying him.

They'll parcel out the defense before they do that.

Been wondering if he might be the guy recently.

He's got height, speed, and production.

Plus an avg catch of 18 yards.

Oh I totally agree on all this. You can't take these sort of middling athletes early at all. They're, potentially, great supplementary pieces, taken later.

Dez Walker I've been seeing the hype and I'm not sure I get it. He looks to me like a marginally more athletic Justyn Ross. Big, but I'm not sure much else is outstanding. Both him and Brian Thomas are the guys I see ranked highly, but of the 2 I prefer Thomas. Again, still not totally sold, but he looks pretty damn toolsy.

I like Dez Walker but damn if I'm not gun-shy after my last love affair with an NC WR (Dyami Brown), and they aren't too dissimilar.

Thomas is interesting to me but I worry about his ability to run routes, especially in Reid's offense. He was alot of go routes for LSU it seemed like.

Same thought on Thomas, but like the reverse of your thinking on NC WRs, damn, LSU ones...really there's a lot of guys I can talk myself into R1. Probably I'm hoping it's Franklin or Egbuka. If not there's maybe another 3-4 I'd be OK with, especially if those are gone. Coleman? No thanks. Legette, meh, maybe. Walker right now, I'm probably a no.

Thomas would be a good replacement / better version of MVS

PFF has him #4

Nabers just declared

I don’t want a “specialty” guy in the first. Not a hardman replacement or gadget guy

They need one of these true outside guys

THIS!

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LSU does a GREAT job with WR's :thumb: Here is your NEW #11! BYE MVS!

Reminds me some of G. Pickens or C. Watson, without the injury and ego issues. Hopefully.

Here's what I want:

I want Mahomes to have his little "throwing sessions" before the draft again in Texas, and some of the receivers to go catch passes.

And I want Mcduffie to go, too. And make these kids try to beat Mcduffie and catch the ball. If they can do that, we'll take 'em.

I'm starting to think we need to prepare ourselves for taking a left tackle in the first round and looking at who the receivers are in the second or third round we might pursue.

I could live with it, but if Franklin, Egbuka or maybe Thomas are left and we go OT, I'm gonna be pissed.

Chargers are going to get Nabers aren't they? Man that'll annoy me

Only way that’s acceptable is if they make a significant move in FA or trade at WR. Even then I’m pretty sure those in the know around here will tell you late 1st LTs don’t have a great hit rate.

A late first LT is probably.....a RT or a guy with tools you could develop.

Ja'Lynn Polk and Adonai Mitchell declared. Keep that list growing

I don’t know much about Polk (or any of these guys) but was reading some about him after he declared. Even though he was second fiddle to Odunze he looks like a hell of a prospect and looks to be someone worthwhile considering in the 1st.

The positive this year with such a loaded class is we’re going to have a shot at some guys who might have been an early to mid 1st rd pick in some other drafts.

Eh, I dunno about early rounders, but guys that normally would be early 20's maybe.

The other thing is once the testing and such starts.....this class may sort itself out a bit more.

Eh - I don't see Polk as a first rounder.

Late 2nd, early 3rd. He's a little caught in the middle, IMO. Not physical enough as a pass catcher to take full advantage of his size (a little like Quentin Johnston in that regard) and not enough of a burner to really play that style.

I'm not sure what he actually does well.

I dunno - I'm probably a little lower on him than most. If we skipped WR in the 1st and went with Polk in the 2nd, I would be fine with that. But I don't see him as a 1st round player.

We can't overthink this if Egbuka is on the board when we pick. He's just the thing this offense needs after this year.

He's never gonna be the guy that sets the league on fire I doubt, but I don't see why he can't be a consistent 1k 7 td guy who just gets open.

Aman Ra St Brown ish.