The imagery looks bad until you know the whole picture. People like to jump to conclusions on the internet. We all are guilty of that.

If that was a designated place for the memorial, thus blocked off from people walking on it, and if Jackson Mahomes were to cross the barrier and walk on it while doing his gay tik tok shit, then I think WAS fans have a right to be upset.

However that doesn't appear to be the case, in fact just opposite, they were told to stand in that dedicated area as you can see others were standing in there too. Why? who knows, Redskins are a poorly ran football club from top to bottom and the entire thing was weird to begin with.

I mean, if Jackson were to act like an adult, not prance n dance and shoot tik toks all the time and draw attention to himself, he wouldn't stand out or be noticed and we're probably not talking about this right now.

But that's what he does for a living....be noticed. So he's going to act like a 5yr old and post it on the internet. You do you, Jackson.

who ****ing cares

Blame the shitfest Redskins franchise for reserving a small area directly on the #21 emblem for people to stand on.

The same Deadskins franchise that decided to "honor"/retire Sean Taylor's # with about five minutes notice to distract from Bruce Allen's e-mails/their workplace culture investigation... Sean Taylor was killed 14 years ago and they just "coincidentally" decided this week to retire his #.

Mahomes runs and slides and runs for critical first downs really well.

YES!!!!

This is when he is at his best. He hasn't done this the last few games because i believe his confidence was shaken. When he's releaxed, like in that second half, he sees the field SOOOOOO much better. He read man on 2 of those plays immediately and took off. He's still the best QB in the league guys....just a rough few weeks. He needs to settle down.

That being said.....someone other than Tyreek and Kelce needs to get the F open!!!!!!!!!

Can someone explain why Josh Gordon isn't getting more involved? I just don't get it. I know we were moving the ball in the second half but we need a third option and our other guys are proving way too unreliable. Only 9 snaps while our other WRs continue to have issues?

Because this isn't Madden football. Reid's offense is notoriously complicated with multiple reads every play requiring the WR and QB to make the same read and then for the WR to make the correct route adjustment on the fly. It's why Mecole often looks clueless too.

Gordon is working into the offense, but this was always how it was going to go. He'll get a little more on his plate every week, but he was never just going to show up in the first few games and set the world on fire.

Only thing i can think of.. is he isn't up to speed on the playbook. He appeared to be in on mostly run plays because he is a really good blocker... except the time he didn't block for Tyreek on the WR Screen...

Come on, Man! You know that move was specially designed for Billay…..

Exactly.

Also, i'm glad Reid 'benched' Hill for a few drives after his DROP for the INT. It was the first time I saw some sort of accountability after a mistake. Did anyone notice if Hardman got benched for a bit after his fumble? I haven't re-watched the game yet.

Hill got “benched” because of his injury. That’s why he was in the locker room. He slipped twice most likely due to injury

Pretty clear that when he came back he was healthy enough to be playing. He was definitely sent a message in the first half regardless of what the media said the reasons were for Hill not being on the field.

You could tell by the way he acted once he got back on the field and his TD celebration.

Man we all say dumb shit on CP but Pete doubles down on stupid when it comes to football talk like very few posters.

LMAO

I don't expect him to set the world on fire. There are simple ways to get him involved. It may take longer to incorporate him but Reid is also notoriously slow for introducing new WRs in his offense. Keep in mind Gordon excelled in Brad Childress' offense as a rookie. Way better than some of our receivers after several years in the offense.

I get it if we want to be careful with continuity. But we're talking about receivers game after game making very costly mistakes and being mostly ineffective past the line of scrimmage. Is Gordon that far behind that he can't pass that bar?

Andy is loyal to his guys.

There's zero chance Gordon isn't better than Robinson or Pringle. But this is the same coach that had to wait until Daniel Sorensen was literally the worst defender in the league before benching him.

I read that he's actually leading the league in YPC avg.

Right?

I say stupid reactionary shit all the time in the Gameday chat...
"**** THIS ****ING TEAM" happens a lot. o:-)
but what happens there stays there and all is forgotten/forgiven.

To come here and say really stupid shit and dig your heals in is a little cray cray.

Pete doesn't double down. He actually believes this tripe. When challenged in this thread to provide anything to prove PM II was full of himself, Petra began lashing out by saying

Oh yea!??? So you thought we would win by three scores you mouthbreather!


When you challenge Ree xrunn, as Pete is doing in this thread, for the title of trying to the most over emotional, edgy, chic on the board, you're just not understanding what you're watching.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED that when they stopped turning it over and doing dumb shit they looked like the elite all around football team we all thought they were.

:popcorn:

Enjoy the spotlight now. Takes balls to double down on this nonsense.

QBR 27.8 for the first half. I don;t even know what to think about that.

Dude has single handedly killed back-back drives with turnovers. He has 6 straight games with an INT. He is not right, for whatever reason. Regression to the mean, new Dad, coaching issues, who knows but the dude just is not what we are used to seeing.

Perhaps this is result of being anointed as the greatest QB in NFL history after 20 starts. And his crazy wife. And idiotic brother. Thanks for the SB Pat, but you need lots of help right now and clearly aren’t as great as we all thought.

There are lots of problems on this team starting with Reid. This team plays slow and soft.

He doesn't hold coaches accountable, nor certain players. Eric and spags need fired.
Our defense has a lack of talent problem and we overpaid for some of it in this schemes. Spags does not adjust.
Same with Eric, why do we try for so many deep developing plays? Is it Eric, Andy or Patrick calling for these.

Our defense is so bad Patrick tries to score on every play and then multiplies the problems with the dumb mistakes. It is okay to just pick up a first down. Quit throwing into tight coverage. Quit with the throws deep to no one when getting sacked.

Chris Jones needs moved back to his original position.
Hitchens needs gone.
Clark needs gone.
Honey badger needs to not be resigned.
Both coordinators need released.

This sounds about right.

Mahomes is allowed to struggle. He’s been carrying this team since 2018. Dude needs a break.

He gets a mulligan. Most of the rest of this team can go **** themselves. Getting tired of so many others not pulling their weight.

Would be nice if SOMEONE could carry the torch for Pat for a bit, while he works through some struggles. Goodness knows he’s done it for this team for long enough . . . . .

No.

He's literally the best QB in NFL history after the first ~50 starts by virtually every measure.

This team has imploded, and Mahomes holds his share of the blame. But he's already a first ballot HOF lock and that's not at all an exaggeration. He's why we can hope for a fast turnaround even with so much going wrong. People like you simply don't deserve him.

I agree but in the Fire Spags thread there's a lot of blaming the O for the bad D.

People like me? You mean 30 year fans who’ve witnessed Chiefs QB ineptitude for the vast majority of my fandom? Like that? It’s not an indictment on Mahomes ability, or his previous greatness. The two are undeniable. I’m pointing out that Mahomes is still young, has a shit ton on his shoulders outside of football to live up to, and has been set up to fail with the Chiefs brass thinking this defense was up to task. I’m also pointing out that the league has in at least a few regards caught up to Andy and the Mahomes-led offense. Everything changed last year when the blueprint on how to beat this team went out for the entire league. Since week 14 of 2020, Mahomes leads the league in interceptions and it’s no coincidence. The struggle is real and I think what we’re seeing now from Mahomes is indicative of his play reverting to the mean. His trajectory was never sustainable.

I mean massive dipshits who whine constantly

I mean the offense isn't doing much to help the defense out, but the offense didn't give up a 97 yard touch down drive that had multiple 3rd down situations.

I always said she would be his downfall along with his crazy brother

Well that suggests that you pay attention to all of my whining, which means you must have lots of good examples. No need to turn on one another because of a football game. R-E-L-A-X

16 picks in 16 games. Around 20 turnovers in that time....something is wrong

Must be something in his personal life.

Dude should not have had a kid when he did.. it was incredibly selfish of him. He needed to wait until after year 15 or roughly 10 Superbowl wins, then he could have blown as many loads as he wants in to Brittany's baby chute for all I care.

his baby momma and little brother are a distraction for sure

wait.. I thought Chiefs were all world on offense.
they couldn't score on a defense that was on par to Chiefs defense.
Offense gets a least pass than the d
We knew the d was going to suck

Holy shit. You are an embarrassment to the coveted Chiefsplanet Class of Sept 2005.

His swagger is completely gone.

The effortlessness he played with the last three years no longer there.

The fiery side line speeches and emotion on the field. Completely muted.

He looks like a deer in the headlights right now. Don't know what happened but this isn't the Patrick Mahomes that I remember.

Mahomes should have asked chiefsplanet posters if they were okay with him starting a family

Wow...

My conspiracy theory is that he has been coached to be more like Alex Smith. This year I have seen more throw-always and balls at the feet of receivers since 2017. He’s “evolving” and becoming safer. And I hate it. Maybe defenses are playing us better, maybe guys aren’t getting open, but he bails far faster this year than I have ever seen, and I think it’s coaching.

Thebrad84 getting ready to mail the Mahomes family some complimentary season passes to The Haunted Mine Drop.

Its ok, they suck now. I’m very used to the Chiefs sucking. Most of my life they sucked. it is very easy to recognize and after two games this season it was obvious to me that they were not the same team remotely. Not my job to figure it out. thank you very much for crossing something off my bucket list before I die though, still enjoy the Super Bowl.

It seems strange that we see almost every other team across the league getting guys open, like wide open on so many plays. That used to be us, and now we’re relegated to dink and dunk with all the weapons we have? OL got abused today, Pat had no time. Where’s our high powered offense?

I got to see 3 Chiefs SB....2 wins 50 years apart.
in another 50 ...well, I won't be here to see it

Can't come soon enough...

tom brady destroying another franchise. that's 4 franchises that have done absolutely nothing since losing to tom brady in the superbowl.

You are just ****ing worthless. Can someone ban this turd?

UGH!!! I was at the lake teaching all day, what happened?

After a cursory glance at his posting history...why yes I think I will.

Teams dont respect the Chiefs running game.

They respected it when Kareem Hunt was here.

You have to run the ball more than 10 times a game to get teams to respect a running game.

It's also because a big run for us is 15 yards.

This.

Tweet from John Kosko of PFF:

Mahomes:
In 2018-2019, he was elite in all 6 stable metrics and 4 of the 5 unstable metrics.

In 2020 things started slipping as he ranked elite in just 2 of the 6 stable metrics but still held strong in 4 of the 5 unstable metrics.

In 2021, he isn't elite in a single metric.

Wtf is a stable metric?

Sounds about right unfortunately.

That doesn't explain what happened? "What happened" is still a mystery...

I thought he figured something out in the second half against WFT. Today was the worst game of Mahomes career. He’s become a turnover machine.

Well, yes I am, but I was mostly kidding so there's that..

LMAO

New O-Line-The Development is going to take longer than 7 games
No Weapons outside of Kelce and Hill
Sub-Par Running Game
Britt Reid Situation-I’m sure that’s on Andy’s mind and possibly distracting his focus.

What happened is Mahomes is trying to do his best imitation of 2020 Carson Wentz. Turning the ball over at an historic rate to this point. Needs to pull his head out of his ass yesterday.

Pressing to much

I only got to see one but after 50 years of waiting I’ll be damned if I’m gonna give a shit the rest of my days when they can’t figure it out

It would be nice if his girlfriend would grow up along with his brother.

Those quotes scare me.

His confidence is rattled and that's not something that's easy to shake off.

It will be unforgivable if the Chiefs break this quarterback.

Add Jackson Mahomes being a punk bitch too

You can't really say his woman or his brother are distractions. They've been with him every step of the way as he became the #1 player in the NFL. But he has a bad game or two and now they're somehow a distraction? Yeah...not buying that one. Maybe being a new father has been more challenging than he expected but still doubt that has anything to do with anything.

I think it's more that A) his defense is dog shit awful and B) his offensive line is letting 3 and 4 man rushes through all the time and C) his receivers are letting the football bounce off their hands into the defense's hands and fumbling every other play and D) the playcalling hasn't been very good either

He and the coaches need to work on the quick passing game, especially in these games where our offensive line can’t pass block consistently. It’s coaching, it’s game planning, but Mahomes needs to improve in that area for sure. You don’t need All World tackles if the quick game is well-timed and reliable. I think Mahomes has always been so deadly on the deep and intermediate throws, it just goes against his nature to look short first.

I agree with this. God help me for saying this, but go back to some WR bubble screens. WR jet sweeps, quick slants, make the defense play up, then play long ball.

Quit talking sense, this is the meltdown forum, damnit.

Look out. Got ****ing torched by stat humpers by saying this 2 weeks ago.

Yes, you can Jackson has become a PR liability, and Britney has gotten better, but fatherhood could've taken his eye off of the prize. If you believe Mahomes is the problem, IMO it's due to the piss poor play out of the Tackles.

He looks awful out there. Our lack of production on offense this game was totally on him. Guys were open he was simply inaccurate. Very unlike him. I hope he bounces back next game because we need him w this shitty D of ours.

I’d love to hear what the count argument is. If you’re not able to consistently pass block for longer developing routes, you’ve got to try something else. Teams are daring Mahomes and this offense to be patient and in this game, he played right into their hands by holding onto the ball when the protection just wasn’t there. The defense magnified the problem by not getting a single stop in the first half. I’m sure that makes it really difficult to stay patient.