<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you missed Path to the Draft over the last three days, one of the most interesting rumors circulating is that Jaguars could go QB at #4.</p>— Lance Zierlein (@LanceZierlein) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/855039333765713920">April 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I don't buy it...
Quesadilla Joe
04-20-2017 09:10 AM
Some thoughts on Deshaun Watson from Albert Breer...
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3. Not all spread offenses are created equal. There’s this rush to group every offense where the quarterback doesn’t take the ball from under center as “spread”, and position the transition to the NFL from those schemes at the level of English to Mandarin. Sure, sometimes, the language/scheme barrier is extreme. But not always. Texas Tech’s Pat Mahomes and Cal’s Davis Webb are coming from Air Raid backgrounds. For those two, the learning curve is steep.
But in researching Clemson’s Deshaun Watson the past couple weeks, I’ve learned that the Tigers are on the other side of the ledger here. The quarterback may take the snap from the gun, and there may be more wideouts on the field at once, but the concepts aren’t far from what the NFL runs. “All these guys talk about it like it’s not a pro-style offense—to me, that’d mean that it’s based on the quarterback run game and/or RPOs (simple ‘run-pass option’ plays),” said one NFC offensive coordinator. “When you watch Clemson, Watson is dropping back, reading it and throwing it. They have NFL pass concepts. He’s a lot easier to evaluate than the Texas Tech guys. … And in fact, that’s where people get concerned with Deshaun—the issues with getting to No. 2 are real. But at least you see them doing it.”
And, as noted by coaches who’ve interviewed him, Watson also has shown signs he can work through his issues with field vision and progression reading. “He took the best defense in the country (Alabama) and tore them up twice,” said an AFC quarterbacks coach. “From a pure football standpoint, he was the smartest of any of them I talked to in being able to understand protections, how he handled issues. He could speak the offense well. Now, he did have 17 picks his last year, and he puts the ball in harm’s way too much. But you look at it with him, and when you ask, ‘what are you seeing here?’, he was able to provide good answers. And usually, if they have those answers, they can work from that with you.”
These, of course, aren’t Watson’s only problems. There are questions about his accuracy, too. But the sense I get in talking to people I respect about this stuff is there’s plenty to work with here, and a good reason why he’s considered the most pro-ready of any of the quarterbacks—even if he didn’t take many snaps from center as a collegian.
Just some fun rumors from an old NFL scout Dave-Te Thomas...
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The Jets continue to feed rumors of a possible Trubisky pick-up, if he's there, but word I have inside is that defense is a priority first and that the team thinks it could trade down once or twice and still find Patrick Mahomes available. Logic says, tank the season and get your franchise QB in 2018's draft.
The San Francisco talks of trading the #2 pick to Cleveland for three choices in the first 100 won't subside either, with the Browns giving up #12 in the package with a second and another pick. That way, Garrett-Trubisky go 1-2 to the dog pound.
The Chargers look like they will rectify passing on Jalen Ramsey last year and take my top-rated player, Jamal Adams, to lead their secondary for the next decade.They will have to hold their breath on draft day, as both Chicago and Tennessee are both strongly considering Adams for future employment.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals continue to examine the benefits that Clemson's Mike Williams offers at 4.6 speed to those that currently injured Western Michigan star, Corey Davis, has to offer. With John Brown dealing with a sickle cell issue and Larry Fitzgerald having more great days behind him than ahead, the Cards need to determine if they go for an immediate band aid for the receiving corps or bank on the future by taking a quarterback in Round One (Mahomes).
Johnny-come-latelys in the coaching industry have seen a lot of running back coaches put off by Christian McCaffrey's decision to refuse private workouts. Hey coaches, even Ray Charles can see what he does, if you pop a tape into your VCR!Look for the Broncos to make every effort to slip past the Eagles in an attempt to snatch the team legacy. Word is, if the Browns keep the #12 pick, that is the one Elway is targeting to move up to. It could expand into a mega-deal, as the old QB has spent the last few years trying to entice the Browns to "free Willey" and package Joe Thomas into the mix.
The Chiefs are determined to build for the future and have been equally busy as San Francisco in delving into the good, bad, ugly of the quarterback class. If they go Round One, DeShaun Watson is their flavor of the month. Some think the Cards will jump on Watson first, but Bruce Arians has lots of tapes on Cal's Davis Webb in his office.
Houston is on the quarterback market, but Bill O'Brien could pull a Day Two surprise, as he's spent a lot of time putting Pittsburgh's Nate Peterman under the microscope.
All the talk about the Bills going for a quarterback in Round One appear to be a smokescreen, especially after Tyrod Taylor re-did his deal. But, that does not mean they will not add to that unit before Day Two ends. If Jon Gruden is right, the "best mind" in this QB class is Miami's Brad Kaaya and despite an early run in the draft on mediocre passers, Round Three is the place where this Hurricane could be a great value pick-up, so much so, my scouts are calling him this year's Dak Prescott.
Jets are talking with both Cincy & Carolina, as they are trying to jockey to get Fournette, but Jets want Mahomes & not at 8 or 9, so they are looking to move further down. Both Cincy & Carolina are offering a one, two & another choice. Watch out for Cleveland, as they spent a lot of time on the horn with San Fran, who are looking to stockpile picks & Browns have a load of 2s
Also, word on Davin Cook - outside of Philly, all teams have kicked him out of round one due to his entourage & get this, look for Mixon in San Fran late 1/early 2.
All the talk about the Giants looking to bring in a QB early are not rumors & they are amping up on Davis Webb analysis for the second round. They really like Cam Robinson in round one, but when San Fran finishes moving around the board, gut says they pop on him before Big Blue gets the chance.
I'd give up two #1's + a 3 to move up from 20 to get McCaffery and Joe Thomas.
RunKC
04-21-2017 01:50 PM
Broncos trying to trade into the top 15 for McCaffrey...Chiefs get a more electric McCaffrey in the 5th rd last year LMAO
Quesadilla Joe
04-21-2017 02:04 PM
McCaffery could be a top 5-7 RB, top 5 PR, and the #1 slot receiver in the league day one. There isn't a GM in the league who'd rather have Tyreek Hill over Christian McCaffery.
RunKC
04-21-2017 02:06 PM
Knwmo's homer boner showing again. 10/10 GM's would take Hill over Ed's spawn. The kid has proven nothing yet.
Tyreek proved to be an all pro last year
Quesadilla Joe
04-21-2017 02:09 PM
I would stop watching the Broncos if they signed Tyreek Hill.
staylor26
04-21-2017 02:12 PM
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I'd give up two #1's + a 3 to move up from 20 to get McCaffery and Joe Thomas.
I'd be very happy with that trade :D
Titty Meat
04-21-2017 02:19 PM
This draft is going to be intriguing/frustrating to watch. Those 12 and 13th picks could **** this all up.
staylor26
04-21-2017 02:33 PM
"The Chiefs are determined to build for the future and have been equally busy as San Francisco in delving into the good, bad, ugly of the quarterback class. If they go Round One, DeShaun Watson is their flavor of the month."
This goes with that report RunKC posted in the lounge
RunKC
04-21-2017 02:46 PM
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I would stop watching the Broncos if they signed Tyreek Hill.
You were still a fan after WR Brandon Marshall had domestic abuse
DJ's left nut
04-21-2017 02:46 PM
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Knwmo's homer boner showing again. 10/10 GM's would take Hill over Ed's spawn. The kid has proven nothing yet.
Tyreek proved to be an all pro last year
And Paxton Lynch would be the #1 overall pick.
Knowshit is a reerun.
Titty Meat
04-21-2017 03:21 PM
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"The Chiefs are determined to build for the future and have been equally busy as San Francisco in delving into the good, bad, ugly of the quarterback class. If they go Round One, DeShaun Watson is their flavor of the month."
This goes with that report RunKC posted in the lounge
DJ will hate it but I think he's a great fit.
Quesadilla Joe
04-21-2017 03:29 PM
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And Paxton Lynch would be the #1 overall pick.
Knowshit is a reerun.
Had he stayed in school he absolutely could've been the #1 or #2 OVR pick this year. There was talk in the middle of his junior season that he could be the #1 pick in the draft in 2016.
DJ's left nut
04-21-2017 03:42 PM
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Had he stayed in school he absolutely could've been the #1 or #2 OVR pick this year. There was talk in the middle of his junior season that he could be the #1 pick in the draft in 2016.
And they'd have said the same thing about Kizer had he left last year. Hell, people said that Donald Stephenson was a surefire 1st rounder if he'd had stayed until his senior year.
You have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.
O.city
04-21-2017 04:20 PM
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McCaffery could be a top 5-7 RB, top 5 PR, and the #1 slot receiver in the league day one. There isn't a GM in the league who'd rather have Tyreek Hill over Christian McCaffery.
What, wut?
Quesadilla Joe
04-21-2017 05:51 PM
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"I had a general manager tell me that two quarterbacks will be taken before the Buffalo Bills pick at No. 10," said NFL Network analyst Charley Casserly. "Two quarterbacks in the top nine. That'd be a shocker."
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Think Charley and I talked to the same guy today. <a href="https://t.co/rQnNpfA5AU">https://t.co/rQnNpfA5AU</a></p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/855568514723262466">April 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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kccrow
04-21-2017 06:38 PM
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you missed Path to the Draft over the last three days, one of the most interesting rumors circulating is that Jaguars could go QB at #4.</p>— Lance Zierlein (@LanceZierlein) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/855039333765713920">April 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I don't buy it...
Sure they do... well they want a team to trade up to #3 to get a QB so they get their guy to fall to them. :D
Titty Meat
04-21-2017 07:02 PM
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Think Charley and I talked to the same guy today. <a href="https://t.co/rQnNpfA5AU">https://t.co/rQnNpfA5AU</a></p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/855568514723262466">April 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Turbinsky to Cleveland (who trades back into the top 10) and Watson to the Jets.
Sandy Vagina
04-21-2017 07:04 PM
PFF has Webb as the #9 quarterback.. 195 overall. LMAO
rico
04-22-2017 07:18 AM
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PFF has Webb as the #9 quarterback.. 195 overall. LMAO
Wowza, Sandy Cheeks really hates him some Davis Webb. I haven't heard of him hate on a player like this since well....Jamaal Charles, Justin Houston, Eric Fisher, LDT, Dee Ford, Nick Foles, Dee Ford, Dontari Poe, Dustin Colquitt, Tampa, DJ, Marcus Peters, Mitch Morse, Powe, Chris Jones, Cairo Santos, Ehinger, Keller, Jeremy Maclin, Chris Conley, Albert Wilson, Spencer Ware, Charcandrick West, etc....
Quesadilla Joe
04-22-2017 08:45 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Players targeted in these Top-10 trade feelers: Trubisky + McCaffery. Those are the 2 guys (I've been told) teams want to move up for.</p>— Eric Galko (@OptimumScouting) <a href="https://twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/855792854517637120">April 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Between teams looking to jump the Jets for a QB and teams looking to get McCaffery, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Titans?src=hash">#Titans</a> are easily the most likely to move down. <a href="https://t.co/E20OvQQRSe">https://t.co/E20OvQQRSe</a></p>— Eric Galko (@OptimumScouting) <a href="https://twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/855794889367400448">April 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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O.city
04-22-2017 12:22 PM
I've had some free time today finally as the kids are getting over their illnesses so I've caught up on some of the Mahomes and company media tour and watched some more stuff on him.
He's such a gunslinger. He's reckless at times to a huge fault. But watching some of his interviews, I'm not sure he was ever really coached out of it or tried to tamper it down at Tech. He made a comment on Gruden that they said something to the effect of "you know you shouldn't throw it like that, get more downhill etc, but you made the throw ok, so whatever".
The more I read into him, he seems like a really smart and good kid, nice leader etc. His aggressive nature could be a good match with Reid's conservativeness at times. Yin and yang maybe?
I don't know about trading up for him though. He's got a lot of rough edges.
Titty Meat
04-22-2017 01:15 PM
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I've had some free time today finally as the kids are getting over their illnesses so I've caught up on some of the Mahomes and company media tour and watched some more stuff on him.
He's such a gunslinger. He's reckless at times to a huge fault. But watching some of his interviews, I'm not sure he was ever really coached out of it or tried to tamper it down at Tech. He made a comment on Gruden that they said something to the effect of "you know you shouldn't throw it like that, get more downhill etc, but you made the throw ok, so whatever".
The more I read into him, he seems like a really smart and good kid, nice leader etc. His aggressive nature could be a good match with Reid's conservativeness at times. Yin and yang maybe?
I don't know about trading up for him though. He's got a lot of rough edges.
Were drafting dline bro
O.city
04-22-2017 01:19 PM
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Were drafting dline bro
If so, they were doing that before this release of Howard.
I think now, if Foster is sitting there at 27, run to the podium.
TambaBerry
04-22-2017 02:26 PM
I'd be so pissed if my team traded up in the first round for a rb
OldSchool
04-22-2017 11:25 PM
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If so, they were doing that before this release of Howard.
I think now, if Foster is sitting there at 27, run to the podium.
Agreed, I'd grab Foster without a second of hesitation.
Quesadilla Joe
04-23-2017 10:43 AM
The scout's/GM's that McGinn talked to sure didn't have a whole lot of nice things to say about Kizer...
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In a Journal Sentinel survey of 16 personnel people, Kizer’s ranking reflected considerable angst among scouts regarding his future.
Evaluators were asked to rank the quarterbacks on a 1-to-5 basis, with a first-place vote worth five points, a second worth four and so on.
In a tight three-way battle, North Carolina's Mitchell Trubisky led the way with 61 points (four firsts) followed by Clemson's Deshaun Watson (58, six) and Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes (56, five).
Kizer was fourth with 32 points and one first, followed by California's Davis Webb (23), Pittsburgh's Nathan Peterman (five), Iowa's C.J. Beathard (two), Virginia Tech's Jerod Evans (two) and Miami's Brad Kaaya (one).
“I really don’t like any of them,” one longtime executive said. “Maybe two will go in the first round because of need but they all have holes. It’s, like, ‘Let’s see if we can develop them and get something out of them.’ It’s one of the worst groups I’ve watched in a long time.”
At the same time, the scouts were asked who among the leading passers would have the best chance to bust.
Kizer was the easy winner with nine votes. Mahomes drew two votes, Trubisky and Watson each had one and one scout declined comment. Two of the executives indicated all five were equally risky.
A common refrain among scouts was that Kizer possesses more physical gifts than any quarterback in the draft. “Athletic, strong arm, nice release, throws a nice deep ball, can move in the pocket,” one scout said.
An equally heard assessment of Kizer’s shortcomings centered on what is widely perceived to be his questionable reason for playing football.
“He’s not as good as he should be because he’s not committed to the game,” said one AFC executive. “He’s committed to building a brand. He wants all the things that come with being a starting quarterback but doesn’t want to put in the work.”
An NFC personnel man described Kizer as a selfish player worried mostly about status and money.
“That’s what drives him,” said the executive. “It’s all about him. Prima donna. Thin-skinned.”
McGinn wrote another article and had the scouts/GM's comment on the other QB's... McGinn also got their Wonderlic scores, FWIW.
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The Journal Sentinel’s Bob McGinn assesses the top quarterbacks in the NFL draft April 27-29. Included is each player’s height, weight, 40-yard time and projected round.
1. PATRICK MAHOMES, Texas Tech (6-2, 225, 4.81, 1): Third-year junior with a 13-16 record. “I may be crazy but when I watch his tape, just as a scout, I get excited,” one personnel man said. “He’s a guilty pleasure. We all have biases. Going in, Texas Tech, dink, dunk, dink, dunk, this guy cannot translate. I left saying, ‘Love this guy. He’s so much fun.’ He pulls plays out of his (expletive) like you wouldn’t believe. It’s not dink and dunk. He believes in his arm so much that it’s a problem sometimes. He’s not ready right now. I’m not comparing him to Aaron (Rodgers), but that natural sense of making plays when they break down is unusual. Now can he make plays from structure? That’s why he’s not a top-10 pick.” Finished with 63.5% completion rate and NFL passer rating of 103.8. Also ran for 820 yards and 22 touchdowns. “He is a great kid and willing to do everything,” said another scout. “But he’s playing in this gunslinger spread offense (expletive) that no quarterback has ever succeeded from, really.” Father, Pat, compiled a 42-39 record as an MLB pitcher from 1992-'03. Scored 24 on the Wonderlic intelligence test. “He has the best arm of the group but he plays crazy,” a third scout said. “I don’t even think ‘gunslinger’ is the right word. He’s reckless. … I remember seeing (Brett) Favre in his bowl game his senior year. In that game he had three or four plays you thought were a little off the wall. Mahomes might have 20 plays in a game where you go, ‘What are you doing?’” Drafted as a pitcher by the Tigers. From Whitehouse, Texas.
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2. DESHAUN WATSON, Clemson (6-2½, 218, 4.68, 1): Third in Heisman Trophy in 2015, second in ’16 as Tigers split a pair of national title games against Alabama. “He’s No. 1,” one scout said. “He’s played the best in the biggest stages. His best thing is leadership. He’s a winner. He has to develop into a pocket passer.” Compiled a completion mark of 67.4%, a rating of 107.2 and a 32-3 record. Also ran for 1,934 yards and 26 TDs. “He’s got to be a better progression reader,” a second scout said. “He’s got a good arm. He makes some throws you question, but in the end he wins, and you play to win.” Actually played a full game on a torn ACL late in 2014, underwent surgery and was ready for the next season. “You can say he’s better than Dak Prescott,” a third scout said. “Total winner. Highly poised. Top intangibles. Lot of predetermined throws. Going to need a lot of work, like all these guys from the spread.” Hails from Gainesville, Ga. Wonderlic of 20. “He’s No. 1 just because he’s a better leader,” said a fourth scout. “Like the kid a lot. His character is really, really good. His mechanics are below average. He threw 17 interceptions this year, which is terrible for a first-round quarterback, and a lot of them were really bad decisions. Just throwing the ball up for grabs.”
3. MITCHELL TRUBISKY, North Carolina (6-2, 219, 4.66, 1): Fourth-year junior backed up Marquise Williams, a free agent cut by Green Bay Sept. 3, for two years. All 13 starts (8-5) came last year. “You’ve got to try with him,” one scout said. “He’s the best of the bunch. You just wish he played more. The guy he played behind was terrible. Kind of a concern. As far as the physical gifts, he’s got everything. He’s got the poise, and he works hard.” Completed 67.5% and had a rating of 109.6. Ran for 439 and eight TDs. “Has a ceiling to be a solid starter like Alex Smith,” another scout said. “There’s a smaller variance between his floor and ceiling than Mahomes. He does some good things but doesn’t get me excited. If he hits he’s like from 10 to 20 among the quarterbacks. Him being a one-year wonder is problematic.” Named Mr. Football in Ohio (from Mentor). Wonderlic of 25. “Can sling the ball but his feet get a little bit happy under pressure,” a third scout said. “I don’t think he’s a quick mental processor. That’s going to take some time. I don’t know if guys will rally around him. He’s got great feet. Not as athletic as (Marcus) Mariota. Rhythm passer.”
4. DESHONE KIZER, Notre Dame (6-4½, 235, 4.86, 2): Third-year sophomore from Toledo, Ohio. “Really good arm strength,” said one scout. “Can crank the ball through the tight windows. He’ll stand tall in the pocket. When he’s under pressure he doesn’t move in the pocket as well as you would like. Big dude.” Started 23 of 25 games, competing 60.8% for a rating of 98.6. “He should be the top guy but for some reason he’s not,” said another scout. “The tape is just incongruent. He’s smart (Wonderlic of 28). I talked to the kid. He’s got size, a good arm, pretty good athlete. Everything lines up. It doesn’t connect. Is there a fatal flaw somewhere? Maybe the game doesn’t slow down for him.” Ran for 992 yards and 18 touchdowns. “He’s a pure millennial,” said a third scout. “He’s caught up in being more of a quarterback image than being a quarterback. If he goes to the right spot with the right coach, he’ll ascend. They’re going to have to get him to focus on football. I honestly think this guy would do better in a small market. If he goes to a big market he’ll enjoy everything else that comes with the position. The one position in the building you don’t want to worry about whether he’s going to be focused on football is quarterback.”
5. DAVIS WEBB, California (6-4½, 226, 4.80, 2): Beat out Baker Mayfield at Texas Tech in ’14, and Mayfield left for Oklahoma. Started that season but was surpassed by Mahomes in ’15 and departed for Cal as a graduate transfer in ’16. “I think everyone is a little bit scared watching (Cal’s Jared) Goff last year,” said one scout. “That puts the fear of God in you. But he has the potential to be a starter. Looks like an NFL quarterback.” Named MVP of the Senior Bowl. “He’s got a lot of things you want,” another scout said. “He’s big, he can throw it, he moves around good enough, he’s competitive. But nobody really has been successful playing in that offense.” Completed 61.5% for a rating of 93.3. Not a running threat. “He melted as the season went on,” a third scout said. “Better athlete than people realize. Plays in a junk offense. He could get in the top 50.” Wonderlic of 25. From Prosper, Texas.
6. NATHAN PETERMAN, Pittsburgh (6-2½, 225, 4.81, 3): Redshirted in 2012 and backed up in 2013-'14 at Tennessee before heading to Pitt as a grad transfer in ’15. Was 14-10 for the Panthers, 0-2 for the Vols. “The guy just has really good command,” one scout said. “Got a lot of poise, lot of moxie. Not the most gifted physically but the guy moves around well.” Completed a master’s in business degree. Wonderlic of 33. “Like him,” said another scout. “He’s a Brian Hoyer. Good, tough, mid-round guy that if he gets in the right system maybe he becomes a starter.” Completion mark of 60% and rating of 98 (111.2 in ’16). Marginal runner. “Played really well at the Senior Bowl,” a third scout said. “That’s obviously a big deal for a quarterback. Go down there and work in somebody else’s system with a bunch of guys you haven’t worked with. Then you go back and start watching his film and you say, ‘You know what? This guy is pretty good.’ Not a top-tier starter, but I think he is a starter.” Only QB to defeat Clemson (43-42) last season. From Jacksonville, Fla.
7. C.J. BEATHARD, Iowa (6-2½, 219, no 40, 4): Completed 58.1% for a rating of 87.0 and 21-7 record. Much more effective as a junior (95.7) than as a senior (80.8). “It wasn’t even close,” one scout said. “He’ll end up being one of the best backup quarterbacks in the league. As a starter, he doesn’t do a lot of things by himself. But he’s got a good arm, he’s accurate and has intangibles. Athletically, you want a little bit better.” From Franklin, Tenn. Wonderlic of 26. “He’ll play 10 years as a second- or third-team quarterback,” said a second scout. “He’s smart as (expletive) and a great kid. His grandfather should be in the Hall of Fame.” Grandson of Bobby Beathard, the legendary GM-scout for the Chiefs, Dolphins, Redskins and Chargers who helped seven teams reach the Super Bowl. “In the games where they put pressure on him he just starts putting the ball up for grabs,” said a third scout. “He did play hurt. In the bowl game they beat the crap out of him and he kept coming back.”
8. JOSH DOBBS, Tennessee (6-3½, 217, 4.64, 4-5): Overtook Peterman in mid-2014 and held job for 2½ years (23-12). “Right now he’s not a good enough thrower (or) decision-maker but he is very smart,” one scout said. “He’s big, athletic, can run and he’s got a pretty good arm. They didn’t run a very complicated offense (so) it will take time for him to make reads and throw to the right guy.” Nicknamed “Astro.” Aerospace Engineering student with a Wonderlic of 29. “Just a great person,” a second scout said. “Natural leader. Not a good passer. He beats you with his feet, not his arm. Runs well.” Rushed for 1,502 yards and 23 TDs. Completed 61.5% for a rating of 88.7. “He had one of the most impressive pro-day showings I’ve seen in a while,” a third scout said. “He’s not without talent.” From Alpharetta, Ga.
9. BRAD KAAYA, Miami (6-4, 216, no 40, 4-5): Third-year junior started all 38 games (22-16). “He’s OK,” said one scout. “It sets me back when the coaches are excited he’s leavin’.” Finished as the Hurricanes’ all-time leading passer. Completed 60.6% for a rating of 98.5. “He’s a mystery guy,” another scout said. “Extremely talented but it looks like he’s got dead eyes. He’s like Carson Palmer. I see a guy who holds the ball. Against Virginia Tech he got sacked eight times. Their offensive line wasn’t that bad.” Two-time team MVP with a QB-leading Wonderlic of 34. “Hasn’t run the 40,” said a third scout. “Said he had a turf toe at pro day. I get the creeps about that kid. He doesn’t extend a lot of plays and he’s not going to hurt you with creativity.” From Los Angeles.
10. JEROD EVANS, Virginia Tech (6-2½, 233, 4.82, 5): Blew out an ACL at Air Force in 2013. Opted out of the military, played two years of junior college and went 10-4 for the Hokies last season. “He’s raw but I love his presence,” said one scout. “Off the field he has a long, long ways to go as far as the football learning and background. He really should have stayed in school. He’s big and strong and athletic. You like that he went there and took over the job and had a damn good year.” Completed 63.5% for a rating of 105.1. “A real project,” a second scout said. “Probably the same type of arm strength and same type of athlete as DeShone Kizer, but Kizer is more advanced. He’s got a strong arm but he has no idea where he’s throwing the ball.” Wonderlic of 21. From Mansfield, Texas.
11. TREVOR KNIGHT, Texas A&M (6-1½, 220, 4.58, 5): Started off and on at Oklahoma from 2013-'15 before departing as a grad transfer in ’16 after Baker Mayfield passed him by. Claim to fame is MVP performance in Sugar Bowl victory over Alabama as a freshman. “Knight is a bigger Johnny Manziel,” said one scout. “Speed’s about the same. Really good runner. His stuff is all on the move. If he goes to Canada he’d be excellent up there.” Went to College Station and started 11 games, ending career with an 18-8 record. Completed 55.6% for a rating of 81.5. Also ran for 1,467 and 18 TDs. “(Tim) Tebow kind of guy,” a second scout said. “An athlete who struggles to throw from the pocket.” Wonderlic of 30 and QB-highs in the 40, vertical jump (35½) and broad jump (10-5). From San Antonio.
12. CHAD KELLY, Mississippi (6-1½, 228, 4.85, 6): Grew up in Buffalo. Jim Kelly’s nephew. “He’s got talent,” one scout said. “If you only picked the last two games against Alabama you’d think the guy was a first-rounder. He had fantastic games against them.” Beat five top-25 teams in 2015. Started nine games in ’16 before blowing out his right ACL Nov. 5. “He’s dirty tough,” said a second scout. “Does have some physical skills. He’s also got some off-the-field issues that need to be worked through.” Thrown off the team at Clemson for conduct detrimental to the team and played 2014 at a junior college. Pleaded guilty to non-criminal disorderly conduct after a bar fight in Buffalo, then charged onto the field during his brother’s prep game and entered a melee. “Obviously, I wouldn’t touch him with a 10-foot pole character-wise,” said a third scout. “There’s a lot. I question some of his decision-making but he can throw the ball.” Completed 63.9% for a rating of 100.8. Also ran for 949 and 16 TDs. Blew out left ACL in ’13. Wonderlic of 22.
Wes Lunt, Illinois: Started five games at Oklahoma State in 2012 before transferring to Champaign, where he played for three different coaching staffs in three years. Started when healthy for Illini, but that wasn’t often enough. Compiled 83.1 passer rating amid the onslaught of injuries. Big pocket passer showed well at pro day.
Scouts' Nightmare
Alek Torgenson, Penn: Became Quakers’ all-time passing leader in 29 starts (16-13). Stepped up a notch from Ivy League competition with impressive showing all week at the NFLPA all-star game. Served as a heady game manager for three seasons in a lower level of football. Does he have the arm and athletic ability to do it in the NFL?
Packers' Pick to Remember
Don Majkowski, Virginia: Tenth-round pick in 1987. Nicknamed “Majik Man,” his one shining moment was Pro Bowl season of ’89 when the Packers finished 10-6 under his gutty, crowd-pleasing direction. Suffered rotator-cuff damage on a sideline hit by the Cardinals’ Freddie Joe Nunn in November 1990 and was never the same. Also played for Colts and Lions. Finished with 26-30-1 record and rating of 72.9.
Quote to Note
AFC personnel man: “You’ve got a lot of players that are either first-year starters in college football or upside-type players. Nothing that is just guaranteed. I see some guys going first round that will be back-end-of-the-league starters. But, if you don’t have one, they’re better than what you’ve got.”
NATHAN PETERMAN, Pittsburgh
Wonderlic of 33.
Day 2 pick.
:)
RunKC
04-23-2017 11:08 AM
Being scared of Webb bc Goff didn't play well last year is beyond stupid. Put Dak Prescott on that shitty team and he would look awful too, likewise Goff would have probably looked decent playing on a Dallas offense with elite talent everywhere.
It's also funny that they don't mention Prescott having success and he was also a spread offense QB.
These scouts seem to forget another Cal QB who was knocked for the system that didn't produce good players, but the player had great tools to work with and developed after time to be coached.
Webb isn't Rodgers nor will he ever be, but he could be a quality starter if he is properly developed.
Quesadilla Joe
04-24-2017 04:48 AM
From Peter King's MMQB...
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I won’t be surprised if the Giants (seeking a tackle), scheduled to pick 23rd, or the Texans (seeking a quarterback), scheduled to pick 25th, move up into the teens. Baltimore (16) and Tennessee (18) would be happy to move down.
I have never heard a football person NOT named Andy Reid use that description.
It wouldn't shock me at all if that 'second scout' comes from the Chiefs tree and they had someone with eyes on Chad Kelly.
rico
04-24-2017 12:34 PM
Staylor, you see that Kaaya scored a 34 on his Wonderlic? Highest score in this year's QB class.
staylor26
04-24-2017 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rico
(Post 12837081)
Staylor, you see that Kaaya scored a 34 on his Wonderlic? Highest score in this year's QB class.
I saw that. Doesn't surprise me one bit. He's very intelligent and his football IQ is fantastic. Richt said he's never had a QB that sees the field like Kaaya, and he's been around some good ones.
rico
04-24-2017 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12837085)
I saw that. Doesn't surprise me one bit. He's very intelligent and his football IQ is fantastic. Richt said he's never had a QB that sees the field like Kaaya, and he's been around some good ones.
Kid threw 27 TD's to 7 INT's this year. 69 TD's to 24 INT's for his 3 year career at Miami.
I don't know why the kid isn't receiving any more hype than he is. This guy may be the steal of the draft.
O.city
04-24-2017 12:55 PM
Cause he's not very good?
staylor26
04-24-2017 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 12837132)
Cause he's not very good?
:cuss:
The Franchise
04-24-2017 01:51 PM
All the reports I've seen state that he panics under pressure and he's not mobile at all.
Quesadilla Joe
04-25-2017 10:34 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Webb1<br>My one mock regret: not having Davis Webb low in round 1. Has a heck of a chance to be there, from a team trading up from round 2.</p>— Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) <a href="https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/856881256059084800">April 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Webb2<br>Teams in rd 1 can be bound to picks for 5 yrs w/5th-yr option. Rd 2: 4-yr max. Big for guy like Webb, who may not play, say, till ’19.</p>— Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) <a href="https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/856883090987331584">April 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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DJ's left nut
04-25-2017 10:40 AM
I think it's going to be Webb.
Reid is going to have a raging hard-on for his film-review. He's going to see this guy as a more aggressive, less athletic Alex Smith and a future leader in the QB room.
I don't think Mahomes will be there and I don't think Dorsey will trade up because I think they both expect to be able to get Webb at the back of the 1st.
O.city
04-25-2017 10:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12838405)
I think it's going to be Webb.
Reid is going to have a raging hard-on for his film-review. He's going to see this guy as a more aggressive, less athletic Alex Smith and a future leader in the QB room.
I don't think Mahomes will be there and I don't think Dorsey will trade up because I think they both expect to be able to get Webb at the back of the 1st.
I know some of the picks won't hit, but I hate giving up picks especially for what it will take to get Mahomes. He's just too perfect of s fit for Arians offense for the cards to pass on I think.
This team is really good, but needs some depth and starters in d.
If Foster and Webb are there at 27, I'd take ine and be prepared to trade up to 28 for the other.
DJ's left nut
04-25-2017 10:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 12838412)
I know some of the picks won't hit, but I hate giving up picks especially for what it will take to get Mahomes. He's just too perfect of s fit for Arians offense for the cards to pass on I think.
This team is really good, but needs some depth and starters in d.
If Foster and Webb are there at 27, I'd take ine and be prepared to trade up to 28 for the other.
Likewise. That was my scenario in the Foster failed test thread. It might take you next year's 1st to get that pick (GB is a good target there), but it might be worth it.
O.city
04-25-2017 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12838419)
Likewise. That was my scenario in the Foster failed test thread. It might take you next year's 1st to get that pick (GB is a good target there), but it might be worth it.
Sure. Do it.
They won't have a chance next year for a player like Foster anyway
O.city
04-25-2017 10:56 AM
Foster falling would be a blessing. That's how said teams like the pats and steelers picking later every year sTay good. Bad teams pass on these guys because of ine reason or another, good teams with good coaching staffs and good infrastructure take them and it works out.
If you could have Peters, Foster, and Jones on this d at the 3 levels foe the next 10 years, you'd be pretty excited
Sandy Vagina
04-25-2017 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12838405)
I think it's going to be Webb.
Reid is going to have a raging hard-on for his film-review. He's going to see this guy as a more aggressive, less athletic Alex Smith and a future leader in the QB room.
Similar thinking here, yet that extends to Nate Peterman on day 2 as well.
Unbroken, unrefined versions of Smith. Not as consistently accurate.. maybe still not as naturally athletic... but also not carrying a decade's worth of baggage for getting trampled by pro pass rushes.
RunKC
04-25-2017 12:37 PM
We will have to trade up a bit for Webb. Teams will be trying to get him with that 5th yr option.
Trade with miami
staylor26
04-25-2017 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 12838591)
We will have to trade up a bit for Webb. Teams will be trying to get him with that 5th yr option.
Trade with miami
There is absolutely no way Webb will go before our pick. Nor should we trade up for him. Come on man.
O.city
04-25-2017 12:41 PM
I'm not trading up for anyone other than Mahomes, and I don't really like that.
RunKC
04-25-2017 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12838601)
There is absolutely no way Webb will go before our pick. Nor should we trade up for him. Come on man.
It's a QB league and that 5th year option is enormous. Teams in the early 2nd rd will absolutely think about trading up for Webb.
Ideally I would love to get Webb at 27 and then use multiple picks to trade up for Zach Cunningham or Raekwon McMillan in rd 2.
staylor26
04-25-2017 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 12838615)
It's a QB league and that 5th year option is enormous. Teams in the early 2nd rd will absolutely think about trading up for Webb.
Ideally I would love to get Webb at 27 and then use multiple picks to trade up for Zach Cunningham or Raekwon McMillan in rd 2.
Now that's a plan I can get behind. I wouldn't trade up for McMillan but I'd gladly take him in the 2nd too.
Quesadilla Joe
04-25-2017 01:15 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/MikeSilver">@MikeSilver</a> just reported on "Up to the Minute" <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork">@nflnetwork</a> the Browns have talked with 3 teams picking in top-8 about moving up from 12.</p>— Andrew Siciliano (@AndrewSiciliano) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewSiciliano/status/856949191183970304">April 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Quesadilla Joe
04-25-2017 01:32 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jax is looking to take a QB at 4, don't know what high one</p>— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/856915477993598977">April 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In Cleveland it's ownership that is pushing the Trubisky at 1 thing. The FB opps people want Garrett</p>— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/856896761671163904">April 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SF has been playing the QB card to get Cleveland to either take Trubisky at one or trade with them at 2</p>— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/856889419927867397">April 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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O.city
04-25-2017 01:37 PM
Jax taking a qb (I'd guess Watson ) would get things going quickly.
I'm starting to think this ends up being the Gabbert draft where these teams talk themselves into these guus, play them early and they suck
staylor26
04-25-2017 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 12838676)
Jax taking a qb (I'd guess Watson ) would get things going quickly.
I'm starting to think this ends up being the Gabbert draft where these teams talk themselves into these guus, play them early and they suck
I think it's all smoke. Out of the 49ers, Jags, Jets, Bills, and Cards, maybe one will actually go QB in the 1st, but I doubt more than that.
DJ's left nut
04-25-2017 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12838706)
I think it's all smoke. Out of the 49ers, Jags, Jets, Bills, and Cards, maybe one will actually go QB in the 1st, but I doubt more than that.
I think they're all out there trying to bait each other and even taking other team's bait to send out there own.
For instance, I think the Cards going QB is probably bullshit. It just doesn't add up right now, not at 12. But if you're a team that's 5-6 spots ahead of them, you hear they're looking QB so you start sending out signals to suggest their QB might not be there at 12 so they need to move up to 8 to get their guy.
When 'their guy' is a fabrication.
It's bullshit born of bullshit at this point. I've reached the '**** it - stick to the board until 20' stage of the proceedings because I think there's a whole lot of bluffing going on right now.
staylor26
04-25-2017 01:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12838710)
I think they're all out there trying to bait each other and even taking other team's bait to send out there own.
For instance, I think the Cards going QB is probably bullshit. It just doesn't add up right now, not at 12. But if you're a team that's 5-6 spots ahead of them, you hear they're looking QB so you start sending out signals to suggest their QB might not be there at 12 so they need to move up to 8 to get their guy.
When 'their guy' is a fabrication.
It's bullshit born of bullshit at this point. I've reached the '**** it - stick to the board until 20' stage of the proceedings because I think there's a whole lot of bluffing going on right now.
Couldn't agree more.
I mentioned it in another thread, but if you're Fitz and Palmer, how do you not get pissed off when the Cards take a QB that needs at least a year on the bench over guys ready to have an impact now? Why would they come back for that? Also, something about Arians makes me think he'd feel the same way.
The Franchise
04-25-2017 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12838711)
Couldn't agree more.
I mentioned it in another thread, but if you're Fitz and Palmer, how do you not get pissed off when the Cards take a QB that needs at least a year on the bench over guys ready to have an impact now? Why would they come back for that? Also, something about Arians makes me think he'd feel the same way.
Arians said in an article that he wanted to leave the Cardinals with a QBoTF when he left. Doesn't necessarily mean that he has to do it this year. He could do it next year if he wanted to.
staylor26
04-25-2017 02:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12838718)
Arians said in an article that he wanted to leave the Cardinals with a QBoTF when he left. Doesn't necessarily mean that he has to do it this year. He could do it next year if he wanted to.
No doubt he will do that because Palmer's probably gone after this year, but Mahomes at 13 just doesn't sound right to me with the talent that will be available combined with those guys returning to try to win a SB.
I find it interesting that Peter King said the Cards "want a day 1 starter" in his mock.
TambaBerry
04-25-2017 02:13 PM
Think of the talent that would be there at 27 if all these teams actually took a QB. if 5 Qbs get taken we would have someone extremely talented fall to us. Then I wouldn't even be mad if they didn't take a qb even though I want one bad because I hate Alex Smith
staylor26
04-25-2017 02:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TambaBerry
(Post 12838737)
Think of the talent that would be there at 27 if all these teams actually took a QB. if 5 Qbs get taken we would have someone extremely talented fall to us. Then I wouldn't even be mad if they didn't take a qb even though I want one bad because I hate Alex Smith
This is why I think we're in a great position
DJ's left nut
04-25-2017 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 12838734)
No doubt he will do that because Palmer's probably gone after this year, but Mahomes at 13 just doesn't sound right to me with the talent that will be available combined with those guys returning to try to win a SB.
I find it interesting that Peter King said the Cards "want a day 1 starter" in his mock.
If the Cards were sitting 20 or if they had no recent history of success or even if the draft just wasn't all that good, maybe I could convince myself that they'd go QB.
But this is a team that was considered a legit SB contender in '16 who still has David Johnson and a dynamic offense and who is staring down the barrel of a LOADED draft that doesn't see it's first fall off until the mid-teens. They can get a guy at 13 that's no worse a bet than the guy that goes at 2, IMO. That's not necessarily the case at 16-17 but up where the Cards are, there are still guys that will be in the mix for top 5 consideration that will be available to them.
I just can't get there. I could be proven wrong but too much about that simply doesn't make sense.
RunKC
04-25-2017 02:27 PM
Cards will try to move up from the 2nd rd to get Kizer or Webb
Quesadilla Joe
04-26-2017 10:27 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If Deshaun Watson is there in late 1, keep an eye on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a>. His visit was overwhelmingly positive for all. He loved it, team did, too.</p>— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/857269155300560903">April 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I kind of said it in another thread, but I basically look at the Jets and the Texans as the teams that "need" a QB. Jay Culter and Colin Kaepernick are still options these teams could visit in FA.
Alot of the rest of this could be a big plume of smoke by alot of teams to get teams that are legitimately interested at the end of the 1st to move around for these guys and have other players drop.
The Franchise
04-26-2017 10:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kccrow
(Post 12840055)
I kind of said it in another thread, but I basically look at the Jets and the Texans as the teams that "need" a QB. Jay Culter and Colin Kaepernick are still options these teams could visit in FA.
Alot of the rest of this could be a big plume of smoke by alot of teams to get teams that are legitimately interested at the end of the 1st to move around for these guys and have other players drop.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a>, if they don't get a QB in the draft, have at least some interest in Jay Cutler's services.</p>— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/856921025841434624">April 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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DJ's left nut
04-26-2017 10:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 12838765)
Cards will try to move up from the 2nd rd to get Kizer or Webb
Webb in the early 2nd or late 1st makes perfect sense for them.
We may want to embrace the horror here, gents - we can all envision a scenario where Arizona trades with us to move back into the 1st for a quarterback, right?
Our first (27 overall) for their 2nd, 3rd and comp 5th (45, 77, 179).
And then we use that extra 3rd on Nate !@#$ing Peterman. We take Zach Cunningham with the 2nd rounder we traded back to and grab a fat guy like Montravious Adams with our other 2nd while truefans everywhere just cuuuuuum and cuuum and cum.
Because Chiefs.
The Franchise
04-26-2017 10:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12840068)
Webb in the early 2nd or late 1st makes perfect sense for them.
We may want to embrace the horror here, gents - we can all envision a scenario where Arizona trades with us to move back into the 1st for a quarterback, right?
Our first (27 overall) for their 2nd, 3rd and comp 5th (45, 77, 179).
And then we use that extra 3rd on Nate !@#$ing Peterman. We take Zach Cunningham with the 2nd rounder we traded back to and grab a fat guy like Montravious Adams with our other 2nd while truefans everywhere just cuuuuuum and cuuum and cum.
Because Chiefs.
If that happens.....I will find you....and I will punch you.
Quesadilla Joe
04-26-2017 10:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kccrow
(Post 12840055)
I kind of said it in another thread, but I basically look at the Jets and the Texans as the teams that "need" a QB. Jay Culter and Colin Kaepernick are still options these teams could visit in FA.
Alot of the rest of this could be a big plume of smoke by alot of teams to get teams that are legitimately interested at the end of the 1st to move around for these guys and have other players drop.
I don't think Cutler and Kaepernick are really good fits for Houston because of Cutler's history with McDaniels, and McNair's views on Kaep. I could see Cutler with the Jets though.
O.city
04-26-2017 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12840068)
Webb in the early 2nd or late 1st makes perfect sense for them.
We may want to embrace the horror here, gents - we can all envision a scenario where Arizona trades with us to move back into the 1st for a quarterback, right?
Our first (27 overall) for their 2nd, 3rd and comp 5th (45, 77, 179).
And then we use that extra 3rd on Nate !@#$ing Peterman. We take Zach Cunningham with the 2nd rounder we traded back to and grab a fat guy like Montravious Adams with our other 2nd while truefans everywhere just cuuuuuum and cuuum and cum.
Because Chiefs.
I like it.
Quesadilla Joe
04-26-2017 10:52 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wouldn’t be surprised to see a team trade back into round 1 for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cal?src=hash">#Cal</a>’s Davis Webb. One national scout said “He has Dak-like intangibles.”</p>— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/857275405065211904">April 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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TambaBerry
04-26-2017 10:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12840068)
Webb in the early 2nd or late 1st makes perfect sense for them.
We may want to embrace the horror here, gents - we can all envision a scenario where Arizona trades with us to move back into the 1st for a quarterback, right?
Our first (27 overall) for their 2nd, 3rd and comp 5th (45, 77, 179).
And then we use that extra 3rd on Nate !@#$ing Peterman. We take Zach Cunningham with the 2nd rounder we traded back to and grab a fat guy like Montravious Adams with our other 2nd while truefans everywhere just cuuuuuum and cuuum and cum.
Because Chiefs.
I hate you
DJ's left nut
04-26-2017 10:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 12840070)
If that happens.....I will find you....and I will punch you.
You know the feeling.
4th down; 1:30 left in the game, up 4 but the opponent has the ball and is driving. You watch the formation and think things are going to be alright. Then the QB gives a quick foot pump and the slot guy goes across the formation but nobody follows.
Suddenly Emmanuel Sanders is isolated on Jamell Fleming.
You watch the snap hopefully but you know how this is going to end. Oh sure, part of you says "Maybe Houston bends the edge and gets to the QB to interrupt the pass and we sneak out of here with the W" but deep down in your heart of hearts you know that Houston never actually makes that play, not when it has to happen. No, you know that Houston has probably been sent out into coverage and that this is all going to go horribly, horribly wrong.
"And the Kansas City Chiefs are on the clock...."
The ball is released - you think maybe THIS time, Fleming makes a break on the ball. Or maybe we finally rolled coverage and Berry will come underneath to break it up. Maybe THIS time, things will be different....
"We have a trade..."
But it's never different, Pest. It's never different. No, Jamell Fleming fell down again and for some reason Eric Berry is double teaming the TE...with Justin Houston. The ball sails unmolested to an open Emmanual Sanders who strolls into the end zone. It's all over but the crying. The hail mary's and the kneel downs - those are the inevitable fatties, defensive backs and backup quarterbacks we'll be drafting in the aftermath. They are all formalities - we all died inside the moment the ball was caught.
Because....Chiefs.
RunKC
04-26-2017 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12840068)
Webb in the early 2nd or late 1st makes perfect sense for them.
We may want to embrace the horror here, gents - we can all envision a scenario where Arizona trades with us to move back into the 1st for a quarterback, right?
Our first (27 overall) for their 2nd, 3rd and comp 5th (45, 77, 179).
And then we use that extra 3rd on Nate !@#$ing Peterman. We take Zach Cunningham with the 2nd rounder we traded back to and grab a fat guy like Montravious Adams with our other 2nd while truefans everywhere just cuuuuuum and cuuum and cum.
Because Chiefs.
Thanks for nightmares I will endure tonight DJ. This would be about it for me if it happens.
DJ's left nut
04-26-2017 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 12840080)
I like it.
Because you are a dentist and hate joy.
You thrive on the misery of others. It pays for your beach houses and your convertibles.
Even when you don't realize it, it's what fuels you - the pain and suffering of others.
So of course you love this plan.
kccrow
04-26-2017 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12840068)
Webb in the early 2nd or late 1st makes perfect sense for them.
We may want to embrace the horror here, gents - we can all envision a scenario where Arizona trades with us to move back into the 1st for a quarterback, right?
Our first (27 overall) for their 2nd, 3rd and comp 5th (45, 77, 179).
And then we use that extra 3rd on Nate !@#$ing Peterman. We take Zach Cunningham with the 2nd rounder we traded back to and grab a fat guy like Montravious Adams with our other 2nd while truefans everywhere just cuuuuuum and cuuum and cum.
Because Chiefs.
If I didn't like you a little bit, I'd punch you in the throat then curb stomp your teeth out and send you to O.City.
The Franchise
04-26-2017 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 12840086)
You know the feeling.
4th down; 1:30 left in the game, up 4 but the opponent has the ball and is driving. You watch the formation and think things are going to be alright. Then the QB gives a quick foot pump and the slot guy goes across the formation but nobody follows.
Suddenly Emmanuel Sanders is isolated on Jamell Fleming.
You watch the snap hopefully but you know how this is going to end. Oh sure, part of you says "Maybe Houston bends the edge and gets to the QB to interrupt the pass and we sneak out of here with the W" but deep down in your heart of hearts you know that Houston never actually makes that play, not when it has to happen. No, you know that Houston has probably been sent out into coverage and that this is all going to go horribly, horribly wrong.
"And the Kansas City Chiefs are on the clock...."
The ball is released - you think maybe THIS time, Fleming makes a break on the ball. Or maybe we finally rolled coverage and Berry will come underneath to break it up. Maybe THIS time, things will be different....
"We have a trade..."
But it's never different, Pest. It's never different. No, Jamell Fleming fell down again and for some reason Eric Berry is double teaming the TE...with Justin Houston. The ball sails unmolested to an open Emmanual Sanders who strolls into the end zone. It's all over but the crying. The hail mary's and the kneel downs - those are the inevitable fatties, defensive backs and backup quarterbacks we'll be drafting in the aftermath. They are all formalities - we all died inside the moment the ball was caught.