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Megatron96 03-29-2024 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17462324)
I never really understood the full cause of “busts” like Moore has been thus far

I do know that if I was in his position with the opportunity to cash in on a 50 million dollar contract in the future, I would be spending my entire summer in a frigging Airbnb as close to mahomes as I could to catch passes from him

It’s seems insane not to. At least until you cash in on the payday.



According to Skyy himself he spent a ton of time last offseason working on his craft, to no avail. People have to get past the idea that he has some kernel of NFL level capability in him. He just doesn't have the requisite physical gifts/talents to be an NFL WR. Wish he did, but the fact is he doesn't. Time to move on, though I know Andy won't. He'll bring him back this year (and next) because he hates to just give up on a player.

xztop123 03-29-2024 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17462331)
According to Skyy himself he spent a ton of time last offseason working on his craft, to no avail. People have to get past the idea that he has some kernel of NFL level capability in him. He just doesn't have the requisite physical gifts/talents to be an NFL WR. Wish he did, but the fact is he doesn't. Time to move on, though I know Andy won't. He'll bring him back this year (and next) because he hates to just give up on a player.

Id still want to be with my qb.

Everyone’s training in the offseason. Even high school athletes.

I highly
Doubt skyy knows he has no talent so he’s given up on flying to Texas to catch balls from mahomes.

Hollywood brown did it first thing after signing.

Megatron96 03-29-2024 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17462334)
Id still want to be with my qb.

Everyone’s training in the offseason. Even high school athletes.

I highly
Doubt skyy knows he has no talent so he’s given up on flying to Texas to catch balls from mahomes.

Hollywood brown did it first thing after signing.



Yeah, he should be modeling himself after Edelman. But it looks like he just wasn't invited down to TX.


Regardless, I doubt even if he did train with Pat that it would amount to anything concrete on the field in Sept. he just doesn't have it.

scho63 03-29-2024 07:11 PM

THIS JUST IN: Skyy Moore accused of rigging this poll.

Chief Pagan 03-29-2024 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17462262)
I get that but Toney wasn't really "scraps" giving up a 3rd and 6th.

Our 3rd given up ended up being Tre Tucker drafted by the Raiders.

Toney had 27 rec for 169 yds and 1 td along with 11 runs for 31 yards
Tucker had 19 rec for 331 yds and 2 td to go with 10 runs for 77 yards

Hmm.

Our other pick ended up being CB Tre Hawkins who started some games but wasn't great. But when you think that DT/DE Dante Stills went 4 picks later and would have been a nice 2nd pass rusher at DT, it makes me sad.

If you use a third for a high floor special teams player with a shot at being a starting LB or depth, maybe interior OL...

But a third round WR is a gamble. Clearly Toney had a much higher ceiling and a much lower floor than even most third round picks. You don't get sure thing WR1 in the third round. You don't even get sure thing WR2 in the third round.

Andy Veach rolled the dice, and outside of a few nice plays in the previous SB, they struck out. Life in the NFL drafting last each round and trying to maintain a SB roster with Mahome's cap hit.

Chiefnj2 03-29-2024 07:18 PM

I would have voted for Richie James. How can a kid catch nearly 60 passes from Danny Jones, but never get open for Mahomes? Toney is and always has been an injured head-case. It was foolish for Reid to rely on him whatsoever. Sadly, we all saw the writing on the wall with Moore after season one really didn’t click at all. MVS redeemed himself in the postseason. For the most part it was an expected shit show. Good thing Mahomes and the D were god-like when needed.

KCJake 03-29-2024 07:22 PM

I'd say more than 50% of the people on this board thought Toney was a solid #1. He wasn't even a 4. Case closed

Wallcrawler 03-29-2024 08:17 PM

MVS definitely needs to be on there. Dude was getting huge money, he's a veteran, and still sucked absolute donkey dick all season.
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BossChief 03-29-2024 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17462355)
I'd say more than 50% of the people on this board thought Toney was a solid #1. He wasn't even a 4. Case closed

**** off with that straw man nonsense.

Most of the board was unhappy when the reports came out that the best coaching staff in the league was looking at him as the teams #1 WR.

Nobody ever thought Toney was “a solid #1” outside of a handful of idiots.

Discuss Thrower 03-29-2024 08:23 PM

Toney was a lottery ticket acquired mid season via trade from a (currently) shit franchise. Skyy was a deliberate draft pick in his second season.


Skyy's the bigger disappointment.

kccrow 03-29-2024 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 17462346)
If you use a third for a high floor special teams player with a shot at being a starting LB or depth, maybe interior OL...

But a third round WR is a gamble. Clearly Toney had a much higher ceiling and a much lower floor than even most third round picks. You don't get sure thing WR1 in the third round. You don't even get sure thing WR2 in the third round.

Andy Veach rolled the dice, and outside of a few nice plays in the previous SB, they struck out. Life in the NFL drafting last each round and trying to maintain a SB roster with Mahome's cap hit.

Any GM worth a **** isn't trying to select special teams players in the 3rd round. The 5th-7th round yes.

Even if you aren't getting QB1, CB1, LT, ER or X/Z WR in the 3rd, you are getting a SWR, IOL, LB, S, NB, RB and DT with relative regularity. So, it's not a throwaway pick. Toney cost us a potential solid starter at some position and a special teamer. Moore cost us a solid starter at some position too. I don't see the compensation as overly different and I see both of them as sucking shit. At least Moore sucked slightly less shit than Toney.

ThyKingdomCome15 03-29-2024 09:22 PM

Skyy was the massive disappointment the day we drafted him. I wanted George Pickens. We took a flier on Toney and he just doesn't love the game. He'll be gone after this season.

Buehler445 03-30-2024 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17462331)
According to Skyy himself he spent a ton of time last offseason working on his craft, to no avail. People have to get past the idea that he has some kernel of NFL level capability in him. He just doesn't have the requisite physical gifts/talents to be an NFL WR. Wish he did, but the fact is he doesn't. Time to move on, though I know Andy won't. He'll bring him back this year (and next) because he hates to just give up on a player.

He’s plenty talented enough.

Can move well enough and is even physical enough for some good downfield blocking.

Hes not a world beater but there have been less talented athletes be productive in the league. His is very much between his ears.

MMXcalibur 03-30-2024 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17461099)
Toney over Moore just because I thought Toney was more talented, and he didn't just suck, he flat out hurt the team multiple times.

It's between Toney and Moore. I hovered over both options.

I went with Toney though because he was SUPPOSED to be WR 1 material. Instead, he was the defense's secret weapon with his shitty hands.

Good riddance.

Meanwhile, Skyy simply continues being the same jagoff he was when he came on board. He had one competent game vs Jacksonville and then POOF....gone.

Fishels 03-30-2024 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 17461415)
definitely Toney, especially after they said he looks like a legit #1.

And after his SB 57


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