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Chiefspants 04-09-2018 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13509586)
You aren't going to get a return that will match what Salvy brings on the field, in the stands, or for the PR.

Also baseball isn't football or the NBA where you need to blow the bitch up to get the top pick to get the franchise QB or player in basketball. Draft wherever and still have a top farm system.

The whole idea of tanking actually started with the MLB. The Royals were (inadvertent) pioneers, followed by the Cubs and the Astros.

Drafting in baseball just has a lot of risk compared to other sports, and you're able to drastically increase your probably of "landing someone" when you pick higher up in the draft (I.E. college ready arms, star hitting prospects, etc). The further you slide in the first round, the more you're drafting the "toolsy potential" types.

ChiefsCountry 04-09-2018 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13509598)
The whole idea of tanking actually started with the MLB. The Royals were (inadvertent) pioneers, followed by the Cubs and the Astros.

Drafting in baseball just has a lot of risk compared to other sports, and you're able to drastically increase your probably of "landing someone" when you pick higher up in the draft (I.E. college ready arms, star hitting prospects, etc). The further you slide in the first round, the more you're drafting the "toolsy potential" types.

It's cute you thinking that tanking is something new. There is a reason the NBA put the lottery system in the draft in 1985.

Chiefspants 04-09-2018 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13509614)
It's cute you thinking that tanking is something new. There is a reason the NBA put the lottery system in the draft in 1985.

You don't have to be a dick.

I was referring to the contemporary trend that's gripping each of the major sports. Rany just wrote an entire article referring to how baseball is revolutionizing the trend - and it's something major writers across the board agreed with and supported themselves.

keg in kc 04-09-2018 02:23 PM

I wonder when I'll finally watch a game this year.

Bufkin 04-09-2018 02:28 PM

Salvador Perez is untouchable to this franchise. No one since George Brett has been more of a face for this franchise. No team could offer near enough.

duncan_idaho 04-09-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 13509639)
Salvador Perez is untouchable to this franchise. No one since George Brett has been more of a face for this franchise. No team could offer near enough.


Yeah, it would have to be an enormous overpay by whoever was doing it, and I don’t think that deal is out there.

The Yankees don’t have a spot for him. The Red Sox don’t really need that from the C spot.

The Dodgers are set at C. So are the Giants. The Angels have a great defensive guy back there.

Hard to find the combination of need and competition and farm system that could pay the piper. Just don’t think it exists.

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth (Post 13509562)
Perez turns 28 in May. In two years ( 2020 ) he'll turn 30. In my opinion, catchers don't age well and he seems to be hurt a couple times a year as it is. Who is the best catcher in the minors that could replace him in 2020 or 2021?


MJ Melendez, who is four years away, minimum. Chase Vallot and Meibrys Viloria are both higher in the minors than him but neither is performing all that well.

You could probably roll with Gallagher as a stopgap for a year, but two would be a real big stretch.

tk13 04-09-2018 05:35 PM

That's the same problem you had with Hosmer, Moose, etc. The "big money" teams are all developing their own position players now. This isn't 2002. You just aren't going to get the Yankees or Dodgers to trade 3 or 4 great prospects unless it's a very good starting pitcher.

Chiefspants 04-09-2018 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13509950)
That's the same problem you had with Hosmer, Moose, etc. The "big money" teams are all developing their own position players now. This isn't 2002. You just aren't going to get the Yankees or Dodgers to trade 3 or 4 great prospects unless it's a very good starting pitcher.

There's still a chance with the Red Sox. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how well we match up with them.

Titty Meat 04-09-2018 07:14 PM

Keep Salvy as your Mike Sweeney except Perez is actually good but trade Duffy ASAP

Bufkin 04-09-2018 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13510180)
Keep Salvy as your Mike Sweeney except Perez is actually good but trade Duffy ASAP

If you don’t think Sweeney was good you’re a ****ing reerun.

And speaking of good, how about this Jake Junis? If he does this for another few games I’ll start the 2009 Zack Greinke comparisons.

DeepSouth 04-10-2018 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 13510452)
If you don’t think Sweeney was good you’re a ****ing reerun.

And speaking of good, how about this Jake Junis? If he does this for another few games I’ll start the 2009 Zack Greinke comparisons.

He doesn't seem to be the headcase that Greinke was.

nychief 04-10-2018 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 13510452)
If you don’t think Sweeney was good you’re a ****ing reerun.

And speaking of good, how about this Jake Junis? If he does this for another few games I’ll start the 2009 Zack Greinke comparisons.


His 2000 season is in the discussion as the best offensively in Royals history.


I love the way/pace that junis works.

ChiefsCountry 04-10-2018 07:15 AM

His 4 pitch 3 outs inning was not good /prison bitch and fangraphs

Great Expectations 04-10-2018 07:32 AM

Esky makes that play 7 times out of 10.

TomBarndtsTwin 04-10-2018 07:34 AM

Very impressed with Junis so far. I wouldn't compare him to Greinke at all. Greinke could overpower people with his stuff. That's not Junis. More of a thinking, outsmart your opponent pitcher. Seems to follow more in the footsteps of a Greg Maddux (not comparing him directly to him) type . . . .


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