Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13652632)

After seeing this team blow playoff games on a few occasions and lack that killer instinct, I love to hear Veach talk about creating a physical, tough team. That’s just my view though.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13652607)

Anyway, my argument here isn't to rip on Veach.

Not at all. The jury is still out on him.

My point is to demonstrate how hyper critical CP became regarding Dorsey after his firing, and how hypocritical we are for lavishing Veach with praise.

Trying to credit Veach for Mahomes is a perfect example of that.

Dorsey drafts Mahomes:

"Yay Dorsey. Best GM in our lifetime. Thanks for our very 1st 1st round QB, "Balla ass GM"

Dorsey gets fired:

Dorsey sucked. Mahomes was all Veach anyway

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 13652637)

Veach was hired because of Mahomes deal with it

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13652635)

Dorsey talked it too. Every coach talks it. Means nothing. They've been trying to be the Steelers/Ravens since Chunt took over.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13652643)

Find me a quote from Dorsey saying that.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13652641)

:rolleyes:

Cool. Making up your own narratives.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13652648)

Not going to waste my time digging through 5 years of posts right now.

You think teams seek soft players or something?

"i want to build a team that's mentally weak and melts down in the playoffs"

That shit Veach is talking is pure coach speak. What exactly is it that you expect him to say, when asked what he looks for in his defense?

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 13652650)

Why was he hired then and kept?

tell me the profound explanation to go out of the comfort zone and complacency that has been embedded for over 30 years

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13652657)

It’s one thing to talk it and another to actually do something about it.

Veach added physicality at both ILB spots within 8 months that Dorsey never did with Ragland and Hitchens.

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 13652663)

The Chiefs defense was elite or borderline elite for most of Dorsey's tenure and was at one point considered arguably the best defense in football. Please.

All the great defenses slow down at one point ( see the Steelers, Ravens, Seahawks) but the goal is to bring it back to that elite level.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13652659)

Veach is out of the comfort zone?

LMAO he was hired from within because he was familiar. LMAO

I don't know all the reasons why he was hired, but i'm pretty sure it wasn't just because he liked Mahomes. As did every other scout, coach and GM on the Chiefs at the time.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13652667)

How much of that elite talent did he inherit? Almost all of it.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 13652669)

You don't know, groovy

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13652672)

And how much did Veach inherit?

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13652657)

Veach added physicality at both ILB spots within 8 months that Dorsey never did with Ragland and Hitchens.