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DaFace 11-29-2020 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15360086)
I would criticize any other coach in the league for kicking a FG in that spot and so would anyone else here. Not sure why Andy is off limits. He’s the best coach we’ve ever had but he’s not perfect.

To be fair, that FG was the difference in the final score. I didn't agree with the call either, but if we'd gotten stopped on 4th down there, it could have changed everything.

KC_Connection 11-29-2020 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15360105)
I'm pretty glad we had those three points.

I’d rather trust in Mahomes and take the 7.

jerryaldini 11-29-2020 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 15359930)
That last possession was the most effective one I have seen Andy manage from a time perspective

Yep Reid and Mahomes were able to kill 4:10 like it was nothing, without running much. Beautiful play designs and execution.

KC_Connection 11-29-2020 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15360109)
To be fair, that FG was the difference in the final score. I didn't agree with the call either, but if we'd gotten stopped on 4th down there, it could have changed everything.

Results based thinking after the fact. Kicking a FG is statistically a win for the defense there. TB showed no ability to stop the offense all night other than the times we took the ball out of Mahomes’ hands through runs or that kick.

OKchiefs 11-29-2020 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15360145)
Results based thinking after the fact. Kicking a FG is statistically a win for the defense there. TB showed no ability to stop the offense all night other than the times we took the ball out of Mahomes’ hands through runs or that kick.

We scored 10 points over the final 3 quarters, clearly they made adjustments and were able to stop us to some degree.

RealSNR 11-29-2020 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15360086)
I would criticize any other coach in the league for kicking a FG in that spot and so would anyone else here. Not sure why Andy is off limits. He’s the best coach we’ve ever had but he’s not perfect.

Because coaching is like anything else in sports. You're not going to hit every shot. Or get a hit on every pitch. Or even every plate appearance. And coaches aren't always going to make decisions you agree with.

Andy isn't Doug Marrone or Bill O'Brien or Zac Taylor. Hell, he's not even Bruce Arians.

It's about perspective. Did your top 5 major league hitter strike out? Why even hem and haw about that shit? He's not perfect. So ****ing what?

DaFace 11-29-2020 08:01 PM

Regardless of your take on that call, I think we can agree that our inability to convert short yardage situations is kind of a problem. Mahomes generally makes up for it, but it really sucks that our OL can't get a push to save their lives.

If we were better there, I bet Andy would have gone for it.

Megatron96 11-29-2020 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15360039)
Being forced to punt the ball away is the same thing in my books.

No. A turnover has a specific definition and punting the ball is not included in it, ever. Learn the proper definitions of the terms used in football. And players that commit illegal acts on the field are not Andy's fault, dipstick.

Megatron96 11-29-2020 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15360169)
We scored 10 points over the final 3 quarters, clearly they made adjustments and were able to stop us to some degree.

So you blame Andy for Mahomes throwing the ball behind Mecole, and for Patrick getting strip sacked? For the refs throwing a flag at Fish when obviously didn't hold? For a couple dropped passes?

How does that make any kind of sense? Should we blame Andy for tornado season as well?

KC_Connection 11-29-2020 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15360208)
Because coaching is like anything else in sports. You're not going to hit every shot. Or get a hit on every pitch. Or even every plate appearance. And coaches aren't always going to make decisions you agree with.

Andy isn't Doug Marrone or Bill O'Brien or Zac Taylor. Hell, he's not even Bruce Arians.

It's about perspective. Did your top 5 major league hitter strike out? Why even hem and haw about that shit? He's not perfect. So ****ing what?

Because it’s an unnecessary strikeout (think bunting with 2 strikes) and one that will cost us eventually if it happens enough times.

We’re almost certainly going to be in the conversation for the greatest dynasty in sports by the time Mahomes’ run is over and that’s the standard we should be holding it to. Pat can literally break the game and take it somewhere no one ever has if we let him.

KC_Connection 11-29-2020 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15360245)
No. A turnover has a specific definition and punting the ball is not included in it, ever. Learn the proper definitions of the terms used in football. And players that commit illegal acts on the field are not Andy's fault, dipstick.

If it results in us giving the ball back without scoring (in a game in which Mahomes is absolutely torching the other team), it’s all the same to me.

KC_Connection 11-29-2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15360231)
Regardless of your take on that call, I think we can agree that our inability to convert short yardage situations is kind of a problem. Mahomes generally makes up for it, but it really sucks that our OL can't get a push to save their lives.

If we were better there, I bet Andy would have gone for it.

I’d love to hear the explanation as to why because I’ve thought he’s done a very good job this year of going for it in similar spots this year. That was a mistake though.

KC_Connection 11-29-2020 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15360263)
So you blame Andy for Mahomes throwing the ball behind Mecole, and for Patrick getting strip sacked? For the refs throwing a flag at Fish when obviously didn't hold? For a couple dropped passes?

How does that make any kind of sense? Should we blame Andy for tornado season as well?

He was defending your point BTW.

jerryaldini 11-29-2020 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15360231)
Regardless of your take on that call, I think we can agree that our inability to convert short yardage situations is kind of a problem. Mahomes generally makes up for it, but it really sucks that our OL can't get a push to save their lives.

If we were better there, I bet Andy would have gone for it.

It's a great point. We got stoned in the red zone today. Once the field gets that short inside the 5 I think Reid feels he either needs trickery or to throw. The odds of converting there with a standard run against that front were probably less than 30 percent.

Megatron96 11-29-2020 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15360277)
If it results in us giving the ball back without scoring (in a game in which Mahomes is absolutely torching the other team), it’s all the same to me.

So you're ignorant. Fine.


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