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Patrick Mahomes is now the overwhelming NFL MVP favorite (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=335212)

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15428114)

STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE= MAHOMES
WINS AGAINST TEAMS OVER 500= MAHOMES
WINS AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS= MAHOMES

WINS/LOSSES is a team stat... sorry.

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 15428438)

I’m sure they don’t look at it, but it is evidence that Mahomes is not exactly chopped liver. His QBR this year is higher than when he won MVP in 2018, and significantly higher than Brady’s 2017 MVP season.

I think Mahomes is more like caviar.

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Originally Posted by burt (Post 15428460)

NO ONE thinks he is less than a top tier QB. No one.

You don’t have to go very far around the Internet to find people who trash the guy. Heck, just look at some of the insane responses on Mahomes’ Twitter account when he writes something completely harmless.

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15428372)

I don't really know why Chiefs fans won't give Rodgers his due. He's having one of the best years for a QB...ever. Not that Mahomes is bad, he isn't, but Rodgers doesn't even have the weapons the Chiefs do. The Chiefs have the fastest WR in the history of football. They have the best tight end in the history of football. They have the best offensive scheme mind in the history of football.

Everyone acts like Rodgers couldn't play behind our line. It isn't like we have the worst line in football. Guys like Mahomes who hold onto the ball and then run around to make plays don't do offensive lines any favors. I wouldn't have it any other way but it's the truth. Rodgers can still scramble a little bit, and manipulate the pocket to create angles. He wouldn't just be a sitting duck like Brady if he was behind our line.

To play devils advocate, part of me thinks Mahomes wouldn't be quite as good without Andy Reid. This Andy Reid system is amazing. Just look at the history of Reid's QBs. They aren't great but he routinely makes them look better. He damn near dragged Donovan McNabb to the HOF.

It's probably because people keep saying inaccurate things like this. Green Bay has better RB's (run game), arguably the best WR in football, a well above average TE, as well as one of the best (if not THE best ) OL's in the League. And yes, (due to injuries and Covid) we actually have one of the worst pass protection OL's in the NFL....on a team that relies heavily on passing the ball.

Also, I'm struggling to understand why you think having a shitty OL doesn't make a difference in PMII's effectiveness. Newsflash: When you constantly allow the D to get to the QB and hit him, it has a direct effect on QB play. That sammich hit he took in New Orleans last weekend looked bad. He's taken a shit ton of big hits this year because his pass protection has been awful.

FYI - I think Rodgers has actually earned the MVP this year with the consistency of his play, but PMII is a VERY close 2nd, IMO. What Pat has been able to accomplish behind this OL has been amazing.

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 15428464)

WINS/LOSSES is a team stat... sorry.

So why bring up "weapons" if wins and losses and strength of schedule don't count?

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15428509)

So why bring up "weapons" if wins and losses and strength of schedule don't count?

I agree.

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 15428481)

You need to learn what a troll is

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Originally Posted by emaw1979 (Post 15428210)

After yesterday's performance by both QB's it's Rodgers to lose at this point. Rodgers will play next week in a must-win game and Mahomes won't.

I think Mahomes is more valuable to his team because of the offense both teams run and the line but Rodgers has had a better statistical season and recentism gives Rodgers a big advantage. The Rodgers absolute stinker was so long ago that you really have to dig for it where Mahomes has had some below average games by his standards recently.

Last week for Rodgers?

And the last 8 games, Mahomes was/is on a 5700 yard, 44 TD pace. Below average? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15428372)

I don't really know why Chiefs fans won't give Rodgers his due. He's having one of the best years for a QB...ever. Not that Mahomes is bad, he isn't, but Rodgers doesn't even have the weapons the Chiefs do. The Chiefs have the fastest WR in the history of football. They have the best tight end in the history of football. They have the best offensive scheme mind in the history of football.

Everyone acts like Rodgers couldn't play behind our line. It isn't like we have the worst line in football. Guys like Mahomes who hold onto the ball and then run around to make plays don't do offensive lines any favors, either. I wouldn't have it any other way but it's the truth. Rodgers can still scramble a little bit, and manipulate the pocket to create angles even at 37. He wouldn't just be a sitting duck like Brady if he was behind our line.

To play devils advocate, part of me thinks Mahomes wouldn't be quite as good without Andy Reid. This Andy Reid system is amazing. Just look at the history of Reid's QBs. They aren't great but he routinely makes them look better. He damn near dragged Donovan McNabb to the HOF. He made Alex Smith put up HOF numbers in 2018. He finally gets an elite QB in Mahomes and promptly wins the Super Bowl.

Alex Smith never puts up “HOF” numbers (26TD?) in 2017* if he didn’t have Mahomes breathing down his neck. By mid season fans wanted him benched.

Mahomes made Reid a better, more aggressive coach. Our offense isn’t lethargic, we don’t take 40 minutes to run a 2 minute drill. Reid went from a sub .500 playoff coach to an .800 playoff coach with Mahomes. Pat put Reid in the HOF

Reid’s great system produced that magnificent 15 touchdown season by Alex Smith, with more WR screens than a college offense. That anemic offense is what forced Reid to trade up 17 spots to draft the QBOTF.

Back in Philly Reid had a reputation of being carried by his defenses. With the Chiefs, they called him a choker. Reid’s system will get you about 17 points at home if you play like crap, which is usually what we got in January until #15 came along

Posted this in another thread last night, but in the category of needing your best player to play his best, I looked at each of their top 5 games. Had to use the Bears as the Packers' 5th game.

Prior to last night, Rodgers was around 63%, but besides that and yardage, it's really damn close. Mahomes had one really bad quarter in all of that (and still almost threw for 400 yards), while Rodgers has the TB game.

Of course, the more meaningless games against shit opponents will still count towards the vote, but these games are the true mark of 'value', IMO. The Chiefs and Packers don't need their HoF QBs to beat most of the teams they play, obviously.

Code:

Comp        Att        Yards        TD        Int

31        42        385        4        0

21        26        225        2        0

37        49        462        3        0

24        34        393        2        3

26        47        254        3        0



139        198        1719        14        3

        0.70%        343.8/g        2.8        0.6

Record: 5-0                                

Opp: 52-22 (.703)                                

                                

Comp        Att        Yards        TD        Int

21        32        283        3        0

16        35        160        0        2

27        38        311        3        1

21        29        211        4        1

21        25        214        4        1



106        159        1179        14        4

        0.67%        235/g   2.8        0.8

Record: 3-2                                

Opp: 49-26 (.653)

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15428698)

Posted this in another thread last night, but in the category of needing your best player to play his best, I looked at each of their top 5 games, assuming Rodgers ends up around ~200 yards passing tonight. Had to use the Bears as the Packers' 5th game.

Prior last night, Rodgers was around 63%, but besides that and yardage, it's really damn close. Mahomes had one really bad quarter in all of that (and still almost threw for 400 yards), while Rodgers has the TB game.

Of course, the more meaningless games against shit opponents will still count towards the vote, but these games are the true mark of 'value', IMO. The Chiefs and Packers don't need their HoF QBs to beat most of the teams they play, obviously.

Code:

Comp        Att        Yards        TD        Int

31        42        385        4        0

21        26        225        2        0

37        49        462        3        0

24        34        393        2        3

26        47        254        3        0



139        198        1719        14        3

        0.70%        343.8/g        2.8        0.6

Record: 5-0                                

Opp: 52-22 (.703)                                

                                

Comp        Att        Yards        TD        Int

21        32        283        3        0

16        35        160        0        2

27        38        311        3        1

21        29        211        4        1

21        25        214        4        1



106        159        1179        14        4

        0.67%        235/g   2.8        0.8

Record: 3-2                                

Opp: 49-26 (.653)

Good stuff.

It'll be Rodgers, and it should be.

I'm totally fine with that, and perfectly happy to trade that for the SB MVP again.

Betting sites now have Rodgers as the favorite and I agree

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15428805)

It'll be Rodgers, and it should be.

I'm totally fine with that, and perfectly happy to trade that for the SB MVP again.

Regular season MVP sure seems like a bad luck charm for winning the Super Bowl through the years. Guess we shall see if Rodgers can pull off both of them.

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 15427956)

Would be pretty surprised if Rodgers does not get the award. 44 TD & 5 INT is extremely impressive. But the regular season MVP is almost like a jinx for winning a Super Bowl. Guess we will see if he can break that trend.

Agreed