Why do that when you can go after a vet like Moose and pay him with a multi-year deal for age 30 and beyond. Added points for him coming off a cheap 1 year deal where he had a little less production than he did in the season prior to signing it.

Matheny's stench is going to last for a while. No one wants to come here now.


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Of course they don't. Mo is a turd that should have been flushed with Holland, Pham, and Matheny...

it goes beyond anything Mo has done or will do. Matheny ****ed it up big time. But still there are issues for the Cardinals going forward that the best manager and GM in the league won’t solve.

You have to be trolling to be this wrong.

Pham has had back to back solid seasons. His career OPS and OPS+ is .856 and 130 respectively...far from a turd, especially at the salary we were paying him.

And cost controlled. And put up a 2.6 WAR in 39 games with the Rays after he was dumped for some reason.

Good article- thanks for sharing

Yeah good read

I’m doubtful they land either one

agree with all. Great article.

Mo is an effete Carl Peterson and Dewallet got his title and just wants the money, just like Lamar in his latter years.

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If only it were that easy. :)

Nope....Mo is a big turd. Turdy is a small one.

Guess who Harpers date was for the concert

https://i.imgur.com/A9K7nzO.jpg

Nelly?

I re-uploaded the picture since the first link didnt work.

Things could be worse

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That's probably dumbest trade I've seen in a long time. I quite literally cant think of anything redeemable about it from the Mariners perspective.

Segura was fighting guys in the clubhouse and they just wanted him gone.

I've never seen anything positive written about Segura as a teammate. And this is a guy who's infant son died during a season. The best I've seen is a lukewarm defense of him on the grounds that the experience 'hardened' him.

The guy is...mercurial...to put it politely. He's an asshole to put it less politely.

The Mariners are trying to cut salary and remove him from the clubhouse. They managed to shave off a bit in the short term and quite a bit in the long term. It think that's all they were after. And they got themselves a utility infielder in return so I guess there's a little value there.

Asshole or not I'm sure that someone would have given up more than a declining 1B/DH that's below average to bottom of the barrel for the position, making more than 2 times what he would be lucky to get on the market right now, and a "prospect" that's never really shown anything above rookie ball. On top of that they actually had to add a solid pre-arb reliever to make it happen. That's just a joke.

Rosenthal also added that the Mariners will also cut Segura a $1M check for waiving his NTC.

I mean, if that were the case, they'd have done it.

The Mariners didn't WANT to take back salary here; they're clearly trying to knock this back to the studs. And they made their interest in moving him well known so if there were better bids to be made, they'd have taken them.

There just wasn't a market for the guy so this is what you get. 'Asshole' is a tough anchor to lug around in trade discussions - just ask Brett Veach.

You would have a hard time selling me on the idea that after Machado lands on his feet the market for Segura wouldn't have opened up a bit more, IF you believe no other teams were interested today.

I think the Mariners just really over value Crawford and it just begs the question how that could possibly be. His entire minor league career has been at best average and it just got worse every step up he took. There's no progression to his career and in the majors he hasn't even shown to be worth a ****ing roster spot.

harper and Bryant are both from Vegas and known each other forever. Their wives are friends. That's a fact. What Cub fans like to think that means is that the Cubs have the inside track to sign him.

But, every piece of scuttlebutt and rumor say it’s Bryant that will be the first of the core group of your “dynasty” to go in a trade. That does t give you much of an inside track.

I am well aware of their history together, thank you.

Bryant isnt getting traded, no matter what you think about Buster Olney's click bait reporting on the matter.

Did you also know that Harper named his dog Wrigley?

me thinks Buster knows more than some random Cubs fan on a Chiefs board.

ROFL Buster doesn't know a damn thing. He wrote his article based on Theo's answer during a conference in which he was asked if the Cubs would ever think about trading players from the major league roster such as Bryant or Rizzo. Theo responded that he never operates with untouchables but it would be hard to imagine any offer for someone like Bryant would be enough to make a deal happen. Did you even read the article or just the title?

Did you also know that in a recent interview Harper was asked about which city has the best food and he said Chicago?

what do “they” say your going to do with the current $200 million RF’er?

They dont say we are doing anything with our $200M RFer although the Cubs are getting a bit more production out of that RFer than the Cardinals got from Mike Leake and Dexter Fowler.

Did you know in a recent Instagram post with his wife that Harper was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat?

HARPER REPLACING HOIBERG CONFIRMED

:)

So he has trash taste in beer and pizza, eh?

Chicago does have hot dogs mastered but they still had to steal the actual food product from a bunch of New York Jews to find something they could finally do well. Even then, all they did was figure out sport peppers and neon relish. Most QTs have all the necessary prerequisites for a solid chicago style dog these days.

Seriously, pretty much the only thing that doesn't suck about Chicago is the food.

Did you know that recently during a Nationals at Cubs game Harper and Bryant's wives sat together in the stands and took a selfie captioned "we are more than good with this #HarperToTheCubs".

:D

So the Harper family also has trash taste in ballparks.

Everywhere but London has good food. Chicago has nothing going for from a culinary perspective that every city of a million or more people doesn't have. Spend a lot - get good food. Know the area, spend less and still get good food.

Most expensive steak I've ever had was at Joe's Seafood and Prime. We sat near Scottie Pippen and I've had better steaks at a Lonestar. Chicago style pizza is a casserole and Scimeca's Sausage in KC beats the brakes off the sausage they jerk themselves off over in Chicago.

I'm not buying it. The only unique dining experience Ive had in chicago is being aggressively accosted outside a restaurant and jazz joint on Michigan Ave by a ****ing bum who kept spraying water on my buddy's shoes and wouldn't leave us the hell alone until my buddy actually went to am ATM and drew out money to throw him a $20.

**** that whole frigid piece of shit city. It's better than Atlanta and that's the absolute best thing I can say about it.

Isn't he a Mormon? I doubt he cares about beer either way. Now St. Louis County does triple the Mormon percentage of the population compared to Cook County. A whopping 0.46 to 0.16! :)

Almost every rumor has him in Philly. It other teams are mentioned they usually include the Cardinals. I don't think I've read very many that have him landing with the Cubs.

The one wild card with Harper compared to other elite players that I hear about is how much of a baseball "fan" he is. He wants to go to a baseball city and be adored. While sure, every player wants this, most just go to the highest bidder. I could be dead wrong but I just don't see Harper going to Philly. I see him going to LA, Chicago (Cubs or Sox), or St. Louis before Philly.

STL needs to flush those turds "Army" and Mo from their sport teams or it's gonna be a long decade

Philly's financial wherewithal dwarfs pretty much everyone's right now. Their TV deal is incredible and they have no long-term liabilities to speak of. They could sign Harper AND Machado and still have a better revenue/obligation ratio than St. Louis does.

So get ready to hear "the market is crazy" again after we end up spending as much for our 2 or 3 slightly above replacement level players as we could've spent on Harper.

What you noted is the most irritating part. We know they are just going to burn the resources on a couple of meh guys that won’t move the needle much.

LMAO You crack me up.

Never been to Joe's Seafood and Prime, although I concur that many, if not most, of the big dollar steak places aren't worth the ridiculous prices they charge. My favorite restaurant in the city is an Italian steak house way outside the Loop on the Northwest Side called Sabatino's, which is unfortunately closing at the end of the year. Great food, wonderful old time feel, and the only thing that's changed since I first set foot in the place 25 years ago is that there aren't ashtrays on the tables now. That's the kind of place I'm thinking about when I talk about great food up here - not the overhyped expensive shit downtown.

And you are just flat out wrong about the pizza. It's wonderful.

As for the bums, that's pretty unusual. This isn't Seattle or San Francisco. For the most part the street zombies are well behaved up here.

Joe's crab in Vegas was awesome. Never been to the one in Chicago, but the steak and stone crab are......they're good.

Frazod, I'm a big Gibsons guy when I'm in Chicago. It's pricey but damn it, I want a good steak and they've got it.

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Of the super expensive steak places here, my favorite is probably Ruth's Chris. But frankly if I'm spending that kind of money I'd rather go to a Hibachi place and get lobster and filet.

I can get Ruth's Chris anywhere though.

I can only get Gibsons in Chicago.

Smith and Wollensky is good too, but it's a pain in the ass being downtown.

They have a Giordanos in Vegas now

Cool, an aging dude that did nothing his last 15 games

Regarding the pizza...I'm perhaps allowing my hatred of the city to color an otherwise occasionally good change of pace. I was always vociferously in favor of Chicago style over NY Style until I went to NY and had the real stuff; holy shit it's amazing.

We go to Harry Carey's Italian Steakhouse and it's an enjoyable experience but again - nothing I can't find in KC or STL if I'm willing to drop $150/head. As for the non-overhyped joints, same story - every major city has those.

NY has the best food experience I've had followed by Philly and Boston. Maine was incredible b/c of the sea food (sorry, Rainman) and San Diego had shockingly good italian food to go with all the pacific coast stuff. I just don't see what Chicago has going for it that anyplace else with a lot of people and a fair amount of money doesn't already have. The Jazz joint was cool until the industrious bum came along and I got to see Josh Duhamel monopolize a strip club once; that was interesting. **** all of them for wearing pasties anyway.

I dont expect him to sign with the Cubs. They would have to be willing to nearly go over the tax penalty that would hurt draft position and I'm not sure they want to do that. They can certainly afford to do it but I would say theres probably a 5% chance hes on the Cubs next year.

I'm just having fun with you. Pretty much every nugget he and his wife have dropped on social media is related to Chicago and it's likely nothing more than driving his price up. However, I do believe if the Cubs were even competitive in AAV up to the opt out year he would probably sign with them.

Per Rosenthal:

*The Cardinals, deep in starting pitching, are nonetheless open to a reunion with right-hander Shelby Miller, who was non-tendered by the Diamondbacks on Friday.
Miller, 28, is a classic buy-low candidate – he missed most of 2017 and ‘18 while recovering from Tommy John surgery.

The Cardinals made Miller the 19th overall pick of the 2009 draft, then traded him to the Braves in a deal for outfielder Jason Heyward in November 2014. The following year, Miller went to the D-Backs for outfielder Ender Inciarte, shortstop Dansby Swanson and right-hander Aaron Blair.

Of course.

Thriving FA market - so the Cardinals are looking for an older, more washed up version of guys they have a dozen of already. Sounds like a good use of our time.

Eh...probably still more productive than trading for Paul Goldschmidt so we can move Matt Carpenter and his bum wing to 3b.

The unbridled stupidity of this organization never ceases to amaze me.

What are we talking about here? Hudson/Kelly for a year of Goldy and maybe Miller as a throw in?

Miller has been DFA'd.

Hudson/Kelly for Goldy is a monumental rape job. I have no particular use for either player but you're trading 2 guys with about $40 million in surplus value between them given the amount of control they have for 1 season of Goldschmidt and maybe $15 million in surplus value.

That would be an AWFUL trade and yet the media in St. Louis would lap it up and sell it to the 'casual fans'.

So, y'know, about 80% likely to happen.

The rumors are that the Cardinals would trade for Goldschmidt with an extension in place.

Goold puts the deal in the range of a MLB ready pitcher with/without MLB experience but with several years on control + upside prospect + contributing position player with a standout tool. He thinks Hudson, Kelly, and O'Neill would all be discussed.

But then he also says he would flame the Cardinals for making that trade because of the teams belief that signing someone like Harper wouldn't be as scary because of the out years when he got to Goldschmidt's current age and then go ahead and extend a guy to play through those "out years."

Sounds like the Cardinals are skipping Plan A, Plan B already signed in Atlanta, and are going straight to C.

"The rumors" are all reposting that ****wad Incarcerated Bob and to this point have no discernible merit at all.

Corbin to the Gnats at 6/$140.

Wanna know why I'd pay $35 million for Harper without batting an eye? Because we live in a world where Patrick Corbin, 1 season removed from being a 4th starter, is earning $23 million/season through his age 34 season.

Patrick Corbin and a couple of 'established' middle relievers will cost roughly what Harper costs. Screw that; sign Harper, develop your relievers and get the superstar instead of a guy you wouldn't be comfortable handing the ball in game 1 or 2 of a playoff series.

Amen

I said we should offer $50 million more total than anyone else for Harper. Up to $40 million a year. Waino’s $20 million off the books this year. Molina’s $20 million in 2 years. We can afford it. We are desperate. 3 years without playoffs. Lagging farther and farther behind the Bucs and Cubs. But, the Cardinals are making buckets of money. Rolling in cash.

I think the last conversation I had with someone was "well would you do $42 million?" and my answer was "If I'll do $35, I'll do $42. An extra $7 million gets you Luke !@#$ing Gregerson these days..."

The high cost of mediocrity has made it smarter than it has ever been to overspend on superstars, especially when the modern baseball growth curve says that many players will be at/near their prime productivity earlier and earlier. When you can go to the farm and pull up some 23 yr old kid that can give you 2-3 wins over a commensurate number of ABs, why the hell pay $15 million for the privilege of a 30 yr old guy that does the same thing?

Save that money and go with a combination of stars and cost-controlled young talent. There's just no upshot to paying retail on mid-tier FAs. That's how Mike Leake's happen.

So should I hold my breath on Harper or?

Do you like diminished cognitive function?

I mean if you do - knock yourself out. But depriving the brain of oxygen for the...uh...infinity days it'll take here is gonna take some starch out of the dental practice.

Well, I mean, maybe not. Y'all are pretty much just Humperdoo jabbing around with hooks and shit so you'll probably still be okay. But I can't make any promises.

you don’t like Hudson/Kelly trade then you’d better not read the latest rumors.... going to be more than that if true.

Of course it will be.

Our GM is reeruned.

DJ, the Mets want a catcher badly. Can we get some bullpen help from them for Kelly if he doesn’t go in the Goldy trade? They have anything on the menu we’d like?

And why haven’t we traded Jose yet to an AL team? Surely there is one team that can spare sone mid level bullpen arm for a solid .300 DH?

I think you could run this team in a better direction than Mo and Girsch, and i'm not even being a smartass.

You have said yourself that Kelly profiles only as a backup and has been passed by Knizer, and I think it's fair to say that Hudson's peripherals suggest he's more Joe Kelly as a starter than Jack Flaherty. These are the kinds of soon-to-depreciate assets you extract value from before they turn in to Zach Cox.

I've compared Kelly to Tucker Barnhardt for a long time. I think he'll be a solid starter for somebody but I prefer Knizner. However, he rehabbed his prospect status in AAA and his floor is almost certainly higher than Knizner. I don't think it's out of bounds to say both guys have roughly equal value.

And I dont trust Hudson either - I dont do pitchers with no fastball command. But he is a high pedigree pitcher with a big time season at AAA, 6 years of control and undeniable big league stuff. You cite Joe Kelly, but Kelly is going to get PAID this offseason.

Again, you're talking $40 million in surplus value on those 2 guys based on a reasonable growth model. That's 2 to 3 times what the Cardinals are getting back. And in so doing they're forcing Carpenter to 3b which WILL ruin his shoulder (that joint is clearly compromised). Their silver bullet that they've been waiting 5 years to fire will be a long term contract for an aging slugger that displaces the only other pure hitter they have.

And they'll still be a 90 win team in an environment where the Cubs win 95 despite virtually everything going wrong for them last year.

Our idiot GM will give $40 million in surplus value for an aging slugger who broke out years ago and is approaching FA. A SMART GM would take that package and go hunting for the guy that hasn't broken out yet but is showing signs. He'd use it to get Camargo and then use the freed up money to sign someone who ISNT a 1b and actually fits here.

I agree with trading Hudson and Kelly. I damn sure wouldn't trade them for THAT.

Okay, so look at what the Cardinals gave up for 2 years of Ozuna. They gave away 1 premier(ish) prospect in Alcantara and then scraps. Sierra has some nominal value, Gallen and whats his ass (Castellano or something?) have none.

Ozuna was coming off an MVP caliber season, a silver slugger and a gold glove. He also played a position further up on the defensive spectrum (though admittedly not a ton so). He was, by any reasonable calculus, a more valuable trade commodity with 2 years of control than Goldschmidt is with 1.

Ultimately you've got an easy trade comp here.

Alcantara ~= Hudson
Sierra ~= Adolis Garcia
Gallen ~= Woodford
4th guy ~= Who gives a shit?

And again - that's for a MORE valuable asset than 1 season of Paul Goldschmidt.

Seriously, if we give up more than Hudson and scraps, we will have gotten butt****ed in this deal. And Goold is reporting that the Cardinals are seeking a 72 hour window to reach an extension which just shows their hand. It means they aren't even doing the one thing that MIGHT make this intelligent; using Goldschmidt to lure Harper and then cutting him loose as he ages.

Nope - these stupid bastards are going to sign Goldschmidt, move Carpenter to 3b, manage to make themselves older and WORSE defensively and then go sign some overpriced reliever (again) and call themselves contenders.

They don't even try to hide it anymore. Their target is 88-90 wins and they're clearly not going to make any bold moves to get beyond that.

This organization just doesn't have the stones to win a championship anymore. The Cubs have money and aren't run by idiots. Likewise the Dodgers. The Phillies may still be run by idiots but there's money and then there's MONEY. The Phillies have the latter. The Braves have arguably the deepest pool of young talent I've seen in decades. The Nationals even have a rich owner who doesn't care how rich he is when he dies so they'll keep throwing money at things.

Hell, the BREWERS have passed us. And nobody in this franchise wants to do anything apart from sign an aging righthanded hitter so they can displace the one legitimate quality hitter we have on this team. Really looking forward to them all acting surprised when Carpenter's arm is hurting.

This team is just so shockingly stupid.

What you also have to consider is that Harper's camp isn't working with asymmetric information. If the Cardinals trade for Goldschmidt and they don't extend him, my first question is, "How are you going to replace Ozuna and Goldschmidt?

If they extend one or both, it would show his camp that they are serious about keeping stars around him. If they don't and I'm Harper, I'm wondering if I'm going to be stuck on a team with no other top tier bats by 2020.

Also, Joe Kelly getting paid isn't an endorsement of his talent but and indictment of the same kind of backwards thinking that leads to huge overpays for marginal middle relievers, like Brett Cecil.

That's all well and good, but Harper's camp can't really think that both Harper and Goldschmidt at a combined $60-$65 milliion/season are going to be long-term Cardinals, can they?

They have to know that if Harper's there long-term, Goldschmidt isn't. They might be willing to extend Harper and Ozuna given the relative youth of Ozuna and the fact that he wouldn't seem to block guys like Gorman or Montero (one of 'em, if not both, will end up at 1b). But if they sign Harper to a long-term deal, they won't be extending Goldschmidt.

So the inverse becomes pretty apparent at that point - if they're talking about extending Goldschmidt, the lip service about signing Harper is just more of the same old half-hearted efforts to look like you were trying.

I think that were both in agreement that the Cardinals aren't serious about signing Harper.

However, I do think you are overstating the surplus value that Kelly and Hudson are worth by extrapolating open market WAR onto what their actual value to the team is. If you use Joe Kelly as a comp for Hudson, you're looking at 5 WAR, but distributed over 7 seasons. If you're the Cardinals and the one thing you can do is develop pitchers, those wins aren't all that valuable because you have so many other people that can do the same thing. It's why Jose Martinez isn't that valuable of a trade asset. Yeah, he's worth about $20 million in annual surplus value if you just look at his WAR, but if you analyze his actual skillset against what other teams have and need, he's not providing much value at all. Pretty much all AL teams that are buyers have someone that can put up 120-125 wRC from the DH spot. That's what CJ Cron did last year. Is he worth much of anything?

Similarly, guys like Barnhart, who have been worth about 1 win per season on average never have values on the open market that are actually reflected in what they are paid. When Kurt Suzuki get can 2/10 (despite his age, yes) off of two seasons of 2.3 WAR on average, what is someone half as valuable on a WAR basis going to actually get?

I think it's time we stopped looking at WAR as linear and think of it as exponential. While the average may be $8 million/win, I think the actual "surplus" value is provided in the realm above 4 wins, and each win above that becomes progressively more valuable, especially since the number of spots on a roster and field are limited. That's why the smart teams have moved to a stars and scrubs model rather than the 25 guys worth 2 WAR that the Cardinals seem to shoot for. Because of that, I don't see the real value provided by guys like Hudson + Kelly compared to a Goldschmidt. In fact, I'd go as far to say that 5 WAR provided by Goldschmidt in one year would be worth more than 7-8 provided by Hudson + Kelly over the lives of their contracts precisely because it elevates you above a threshold.

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Yay!!!

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Welllll I like that way better than Hudson. :clap:

That doesn't seem like a package that involved an extension for Goldschmidt. Even for 1 year I dont see how you could be mad about that trade.

Luke Weaver will/would be lucky to crack a starting rotation, I highly doubt Kelly has as much value as some would lead you to believe around here, and I dont even know who the **** Andy Young is.

Does anyone know much about Young? I like this trade better than the rumors from last night.


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