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ChiefsCountry 06-24-2023 11:55 AM

The turf they got in London with the bounces reminds me of old days at Busch and Kauffman.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-24-2023 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16983033)
If only Oli were Gil Hodges and anyone in the rotation could pitch like Seaver, McGraw or Ryan.

Don't forget Jerry Koosman

Megatron96 06-24-2023 03:29 PM

I realize that I'm allowing my emotions get to me at this point, but . . .

BURN IT DOWN TO THE GROUND AND START OVER.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-24-2023 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16993373)
I realize that I'm allowing my emotions get to me at this point, but . . .

BURN IT DOWN TO THE GROUND AND START OVER.

This really is the best case scenerio...just keep losing

VAChief 06-24-2023 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16993441)
This really is the best case scenerio...just keep losing

Whatever it takes to get Mo out of there. Otherwise nothing else matters.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-24-2023 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 16993499)
Whatever it takes to get Mo out of there. Otherwise nothing else matters.

People disagreed with me for awhile...whoops

BigRedChief 06-24-2023 08:49 PM

**** Mo. we need to move Hicks and Flaherty. We have a 1.5 years of Goldy that other teams may value and situation that he to might like too.

At London Stadium, Mozeliak repeated that he does not think the Cardinals can “tank,” can pull out the parachute of a season and find a safe landing in future prospects.

“I would hope that Cardinals are not allowed to rebuild,” he said. “Amazing fan base. We know we’re not where we want to be. We know we have to make some changes. We’ll try.”

kcpasco 06-24-2023 10:39 PM

This Cards team is ass. I’m not even mad. This is a good thing if changes happen.

jd1020 06-25-2023 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16993580)
**** Mo. we need to move Hicks and Flaherty. We have a 1.5 years of Goldy that other teams may value and situation that he to might like too.

At London Stadium, Mozeliak repeated that he does not think the Cardinals can “tank,” can pull out the parachute of a season and find a safe landing in future prospects.

“I would hope that Cardinals are not allowed to rebuild,” he said. “Amazing fan base. We know we’re not where we want to be. We know we have to make some changes. We’ll try.”

What exactly are you expecting to get for Flaherty? The guy has a 5 ERA, walking 5 batters per 9, and all of his advanced numbers say he's pitching about as expected. There's nothing you can point to that suggests he should be better and that there is hope for the future. And to top it all off he just got scratched from his start against the Cubs because of his hip

You'll be fortunate to get a lottery ticket for the 26th spot for Flaherty.

Hicks is also not going to bring shit back. He's another rental and a reliever at that. But he's not Aroldis Chapman. Hicks just throws hard. He has no idea how to actually pitch.

DJ's left nut 06-25-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16993807)
What exactly are you expecting to get for Flaherty? The guy has a 5 ERA, walking 5 batters per 9, and all of his advanced numbers say he's pitching about as expected. There's nothing you can point to that suggests he should be better and that there is hope for the future. And to top it all off he just got scratched from his start against the Cubs because of his hip

You'll be fortunate to get a lottery ticket for the 26th spot for Flaherty.

Hicks is also not going to bring shit back. He's another rental and a reliever at that. But he's not Aroldis Chapman. Hicks just throws hard. He has no idea how to actually pitch.

Gonna guess you haven't watched him much of late.

Still a little erratic, yes, but he has a 4-seamer now that he uses to set up the sinker. So teams that could just cheat on the sinker now have to consider the possibility that it ain't gonna run armside and at 103, just that little bit of extra thought is damn tough to deal with.

No question that he still lives or dies with walks and if he heads out there and walks the leadoff man, it's gonna be a bit bumpy. But he's genuinely missing bats now and setting guys up. The 4-seamer has unlocked some stuff and it allowing his velocity and natural movement to actually make things happen out there.

29 Ks to 22 baserunners and 3 ER in 19 IP in May/June is a pretty damn good return to form. Now he's gonna get shellacked today since I said something, but the version of Hicks that we get about 4 times out of 5 these days is a genuine monster.

Honestly - I wouldn't trade him. He's 26 and finally has a plan out there. That's someone you should try to extend as you really don't have anyone to replace him.

DJ's left nut 06-25-2023 11:15 AM

That Hoerner AB was a 'that's what speed do' AB.

Hicks wasn't fooling him and wasn't even trying to. Hoerner just couldn't get around on it.

And that 88 mph slider at the knees had Suzuki bailing into the dugout but the ump blew the call.

Hicks is an asset. If the price is right you can trade anyone. But that's not someone you dump, IMO. That's truly special arm talent.

Edit: And THERE ya go, JD - that's what I'm talking about. Suzuki cheated on heat, was looking to fight off a sinker and it was a 4-seamer that simply didn't run so Suzuki swung right through it. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Yeah, he gave up a double, but every other AB that inning was purely defensive. And after he mixed the slider in there, he finished it with that 4-seamer that's completely changed how he can pitch.

jd1020 06-25-2023 12:08 PM

He put a 100 mph fastball center center. That's nothing to do with pitching. That's just heat. He still sits on a 4 ERA.

This is like a month into the season saying Nolan Gorman just needed a year to figure things out and settle in and now he has arrived.

DJ's left nut 06-25-2023 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16993917)
He put a 100 mph fastball center center. That's nothing to do with pitching. That's just heat. He still sits on a 4 ERA.

This is like a month into the season saying Nolan Gorman just needed a year to figure things out and settle in and now he has arrived.

Again, it's a pitch he's added to his arsenal. It was a centered 4 seamer when the batter was swinging sinker. Saying that's 'just heat' is simply refusing to give credit where it's due. He completely owned Suzuki in that at bat at it was pitch sequencing as much as anything. Suzuki was trying to protect as he has been the whole time, trying to get a piece of a sinker and when the ball didn't dice he swing through it.

It was EXACTLY what I said he was doing now and has been doing since May.

Marcellus 06-25-2023 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16994038)
Again, it's a pitch he's added to his arsenal. It was a centered 4 seamer when the batter was swinging sinker. Saying that's 'just heat' is simply refusing to give credit where it's due. He completely owned Suzuki in that at bat at it was pitch sequencing as much as anything. Suzuki was trying to protect as he has been the whole time, trying to get a piece of a sinker and when the ball didn't dice he swing through it.

It was EXACTLY what I said he was doing now and has been doing since May.

JD is just bitter his Cubs blew an easy shot to sweep the Cards in London after going up 4-0 in the 1st.

The announcers were going on like this is the 1906 Cubs.

jd1020 06-25-2023 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 16994051)
JD is just bitter his Cubs blew an easy shot to sweep the Cards in London after going up 4-0 in the 1st.

The announcers were going on like this is the 1906 Cubs.

I'm not bitter about the Cubs losing. If anything, I want the Cubs to lose as many games as possible before the deadline because the owner is sounding like Mozeliak and acting like it's a good time to buy instead of selling the guys with actual value.


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