Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17020864)

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 17020873)

Highly optimistic? F U dude.
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Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17020880)

We can't win it every year

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17020899)

Dude's made over $100 million in his career on some really shitty teams... yeah, it's still pretty easy to say he doesn't care that much about a ring.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17020899)

Dude's made over $100 million in his career on some really shitty teams... yeah, it's still pretty easy to say he doesn't care that much about a ring.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17021186)

Guy asked to be traded out of Houston because they wouldn't pay him and at the time Houston had a young QB on the rise and had just won the division.

Originally Posted by redfriday (Post 17020520)

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17020880)

We can't win it every year

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17020412)

He’s a weak-minded bitch! The DeAndre Hopkins of CP if you will!

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 17021299)

What bothered me the most about his story was that his source was a person working for the Chiefs that was sharing information that they had no business sharing.

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 17021299)

The whole DJBill posts and story was disturbing!

He weaved a pretty good story of what the Chiefs were going to do.

He told us a lot about himself that would say he has had jobs and responsibilities that would involve keeping confidential information secret.

What bothered me the most about his story was that his source was a person working for the Chiefs that was sharing information that they had no business sharing.

I tried to figure out who this Chiefs person might be, but when I got to the part about borrowing a weed whip, I thought this was bullshit.

They would be too busy, be able to afford yard care, or buy their own damn tools.

Also, if there really is someone working for the Chiefs sharing inside information, they need to stop it.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17021385)

What bothered you the most, is exactly why I told him he was full of shit. Nobody with the Chiefs would share what he said they did.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17021582)

I think his story could have had some truth to it... The Titans were offering D-HOP 2 yrs - $14 mill with incentives to $20. Chiefs are close to extending Jones and know the window of cap savings. Chiefs come close to the titans offer, but iwth more incentives, the news media winds up the press machine as they see the Chiefs having a good shot at getting D-Hop. D-Hop's agent goes back to the Titans and say the Chiefs are close and he wants to play with Mahomes... and Titans say 2 for $26m, up to $32 with incentives... They come back to the Chiefs, and the Chiefs laugh. D-Hop signs with the Tits...

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17021726)

Has Djbill said anything since the signing?

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17021720)

He was literally completely full of shit dude. He ain't gonna suck you off for sticking up for him.

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17021742)

He thumb downed one of my posts about him. He's a pussy

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17019650)

I don't think the team is going to suck, the issue is with the other top teams your margins are razor thin, that's all.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 17020873)

Highly optimistic? F U dude.
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17020874)

I mean no team ever has 10-20% odds to win the SB if you go by Vegas lines so I get the point.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17022014)

Hopkins could have saved a lot of issues if he'd been honest which was..."Yes I'd like to play for a contender but I'm not taking less money to do that"

So he apparently thought one of the good teams would give him what he thought he was worth and well they didn't.

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17022079)

OR Veach never gave Hopkins an offer at all.

Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 17022492)

Not necessarily gospel, but the most information I've seen on the matter.

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 17022495)

Well Jesus Christ, it was on the internet was it not?

Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 17022492)

https://www.profootballrumors.com/20...hopkins-offers

Breer also provided insight into the Chiefs’ pursuit of Hopkins. The defending Super Bowl champions were long mentioned as a potential destination, in spite of their cap constraints. Before the draft, Breer notes, Kansas City offered a base salary of $4MM with incentives pushing the contract’s maximum value to $10MM. Hopkins was thought to be waiting for the Chiefs to free up money via a Chris Jones extension, but his Tennessee agreement has come before any developments on that front. Even with manufactured cap space for this season, Kansas City likely would not have realistically been able to outbid Tennessee.

Not necessarily gospel, but the most information I've seen on the matter.

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17022510)

This states that Veach's offer was BEFORE the draft which included a trade and the Cards picking up a lot of Hopkins cash which they declined.

Thus Veach probably didn't offer anything to Hopkins as a free agent and the "Chiefs stayed in contact with Hopkins" could have very easily been "We are interested but will need to get Jones contract done before we give you an offer".

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17094696)

This thread has some prophetic takes after tonight.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16839280)

Lol, Skyy was the best run-blocking WR on the team. And where does the ball security issues thing come from? Don't say punt return fumbles, please. that's a dead issue after the CIN game.

Like I said, he doesn't seem to have the burst needed to get to the corner/create separation, but as a route-runner he's already better than Hardman was maybe ever, has very good hands. He should be pretty good from the slot.

But yeah, he's not Hardman, he's not going to be a Hardman replacement. For gadget-type plays, Toney is the replacement.

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16839256)

Moore seems too limited to become a big contributor on a contending team's offense, to me. He seems like a slot guy who doesn't have the size to work on the outside or be much of a blocker, who hasn't really demonstrated the ability to consistently generate separation, and has ball security issues. He certainly has quickness off the line and can be a role player, but the limitations are significant. I don't think he compares favorably to Hardman.

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 17019349)

The book on Moore was that he projected strictly to a slot role, he has good ball skills but doesn't have elite speed and isn't a great route runner. He didn't seem to generate a lot of separation in the passing game when he was getting snaps last season so I thought it checked out.

Kind of the mirror image of MVS in some ways. MVS has the size and speed, but doesn't have great hands, is limited in the routes he can run well, etc

These guys are both nice complimentary pieces to a depth chart with a No 1 but that isn't us.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17019322)

Well, your talent evaluations are very different than Veach's, Reid's, Nagy's, and Mahomes. I think I'll defer to them.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17019357)

Didn’t “seem” to generate a lot of separation?

Are you high?

Moore had a lot of analysts panting about his route running coming into the draft, his separation numbers were good last year, and you can see him on tape separating from an elite DB (Derwin James) when matched up 1x1.

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 17019360)

There are a lot of similarities between James' game and Skyy Moore's. Undersized, quickness rather than speed, good with the ball in his hands but won't run away from defenders.

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 17019365)

He caught ~20 balls last year, and he has more fumbles lost than touchdowns.

I hope the guy works out, but I think we can pump the brakes on all that.

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 17019376)

Yeah, I'm not saying these guys are bad, but I think we have a list of guys you'd think of more as slot receivers and role players behind someone else.

We're missing the guy who could be the 1/2 punch with Kelce, a Kupp-type reliable first down WR, or someone like a Brown, Jefferson, Diggs, etc who can create problems in a lot of different ways at all levels of the defense.

If Toney can stay healthy then maybe we've got a pretty good group, but he's been hurt for the majority of his 3 seasons in the league, I don't know how you can count on that.

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 17019388)

If you think of an optimistic projection for Skyy Moore to become a big contributor, maybe the comp is Christian Kirk. Same sort of player, but in a good situation and with generally good QB play, had a big year. Hopefully things turn out more in that direction for Skyy.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17019392)

He caught 20 balls largely because he was a rookie in Andy Reid's system behind veteran receivers, with a highly productive veteran playing the position he was best suited for (Smith-Schuster).

There's no need to "pump" the brakes on anything I said.

Multiple draft folks/scouts talked about his route-running and ability to separate quickly. (You can find this if you try)

His average separation/"open" numbers have been posted before (and have now been posted in this very thread)

And his tape from the Chargers game Smith-Schuster missed is available. You can watch it and see him beating Derwin James in key third-down spots when matched up 1x1 in man coverage.

Your take that he wasn't regarded as a good route runner and didn't "seem" to create separation was wildly off-target, and easily shown as such.

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17019395)

Okay he doesn't return punts anymore, fumble problem solved. He had never done it before, he isn't great at it. They made Tyreek return punts his rookie year too. Others can do that better, whatever.



The real point is, Skyy Moore gets open. It was immediately obvious from his college tape and it still is. Skyy Moore will make a great slot receiver for this team. Instead of pumping the brakes, you should pump the neighbor's dog.

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 17019401)

He's not playing against MAC teams in the NFL.

We all hope he can do it at this level. It remains unproven.

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17019409)

But...he is. He is doing it. We have proof. We have a year of proof. He got open the third most of all rookies in the NFL and now he needs snaps.

What are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17094917)

Not sorry there was NO money available

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 17095385)

Get a life loser

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17095477)

If Moore doesn't turn it around there's gonna be some crow to eat on that one.

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 17095729)

Disagreeing with someone is fine, but when you shit all over them for having a different opinion they are going to remember it

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17095733)

Meanwhile, back in Pittsburgh there's this excellent 2nd year WR...:cuss:

(Im still not over trading back and passing on Pickens)

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 17095742)

You act like he would be something in KC. Andy system is hard on rookies. Maybe it’s Andy not developing receivers that’s the problem.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17095748)

No. I act like he is very talented and we passed on him. It was a big mistake at the time, and it can still be viewed as a big mistake now. Something as glaring as that, needs to be remembered so it doesn't happen again. Who would you rather have, Pickins or Moore? That was the choice. And in case you haven't noticed, Moore is not working out.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17095748)

No. I act like he is very talented and we passed on him. It was a big mistake at the time, and it can still be viewed as a big mistake now. Something as glaring as that, needs to be remembered so it doesn't happen again. Who would you rather have, Pickins or Moore? That was the choice and its as easy now as it was last year.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17095761)

You having an ax to grind is helping in terms of it not happening again? Are you emailing Veach and Mahomes every week to remind them to listen to you next time?

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17095774)

Nope. Not helping at all. But Id bet Veach knows now. And IF Veach would have listen to me, or anybody else that wanted Pickens over Moore, the Chiefs woukd be better for it. Do you disagree?

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17095774)

Nope. Not helping at all. But Id bet Veach knows now. And IF Veach would have listened to me, or anybody else that wanted Pickens over Moore, the Chiefs woukd be better for it. Do you disagree?

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17095813)

Knows what now? That drafting players is like throwing darts?

He probably already knows that.

If Mahomes wants to throw to someone, I'll trust that. He doesn't know how players will adjust to the NFL, the complete fit in a scheme/role, and so on through all the different variables... but, he seems like a pretty good quarterback at least with some pretty good leadership around him, so I guess we're stuck with the risk that they aren't perfectly able to hit on every draft pick to the extent of being immediately productive.

Shame.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17095878)

If drafting players is "like throwing darts" then Veach has missed on all of the offensive skill position players he has drafted... not named Pacheco... since becoming GM.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17095878)

If drafting players is "like throwing darts" then Veach has missed on all of the offensive skill position players he has drafted... not named Pacheco... since becoming GM.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17095878)

If drafting players is "like throwing darts" then Veach has missed on all of the offensive skill position players he has drafted... not named Pacheco... since becoming GM.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17095872)

You're a smart dude, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You're just playing the contrarian. Every now and then it becomes your thing. And you didn't answer my question. But that's okay.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17095976)

What does Skyy Moore have to do with Blumpkins?

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17095902)

I have no idea why we’re still talking about George Pickens.

I too wanted to draft him over Moore, but it’s done. Veach hits on some and misses on others, the same as any other GM. I’d rather have the guy who can put together a roster that wins a SB than an ace at drafting skill position wonders like Pickens.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17095902)

I have no idea why we’re still talking about George Pickens.

I too wanted to draft him over Moore, but it’s done. Veach hits on some and misses on others, the same as any other GM. I’d rather have the guy who can put together a roster that wins a SB than an ace at drafting skill position wonders like Pickens.

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17096448)

The frustrating thing is even the common fan was like pick Metcalf over Hardman. Pick Pickens over Moore. The draft gurus, the common fan, the former coaches, the diehard fan. Nobody really understood why they picked the WR we did before them. Sometimes you outsmart yourself. Take the low hanging fruit. Imagine Pickens & Metcalf as our WRs today? If you are gonna take a flier on guys do it in the later rounds. If it is a one off its no big deal. There is so much luck in drafting Im not ready to conclusively say its a trend but if Rice busts then it is. So far though I like Rices pedigree bjt most draft nerds also didnt like the pick.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17096472)

There were some character concerns surrounding Pickens when he was coming out that it’s entirely possible - and in my view likely - that he wasn’t even on the board for the Chiefs as a result (or was much lower on the board). And that’s why they felt comfortable trading down.

As for Metcalf vs Hardman, this is kinda an easy one: Hardman looks a lot more like Tyreek Hill whom he was drafted to replace/as insurance for than Metcalf.

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17096487)

If they wanted speed Terry Mclaurin was also on the board. 4.3 speed and unlike Mecole he runs crisp, precise routes.

DK also fast but clumsy. So Mclaurin was the fit if they wanted a type.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17095980)

NO WE HAVE TO TALK T BOONE PICKENS CUZ NOT DRAFTING HIM AND METCALF IS A REFLECTION OF HOW TERRIBLE AND SINFUL CHIEFS FANS ARE

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17097008)

I think Marquise Brown is a legit trade target.

He's cheap and productive. These other guys cost an arm and a leg.

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17097018)

Hmmm, well I think I'm gonna wait a few weeks before deciding that all of our WRs are JAG/Busts.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17097012)

Lol, we aren't trading for anyone. The WR room is locked in for 2023. or so I've been told repeatedly. In this thread, iirc.

As for hollywood . . . bear in mind that I'm an OU fan since birth and have always rooted for any OU alums . . .

he's undersized 5'9", 180 lbs., and he shies away from contact. Not great with contested balls. limited ability between the numbers, almost strictly a boundary receiver.

Pass.

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17097022)

We've done fine with speedy, undersized receivers.

This isn't free agency. We don't have our pick of the litter. Who would you suggest that's realistic?